Poll: Are those without conscience evil or simply the next step in human evolution?

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The Potato Lord

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Apologies the old words here were not the OP's
Sounds to me like you're just an angsty hormone-ridden teenager without an outlet due to a lack of creative talent, So you just pretend to be "Without a conscience" as an excuse for why you are without adressing the actual problem.

And for shits and giggles I'm going to say you're 15, middle-class, white(pale to be more specific), have no job and no pressure to perform (academically, or physically(as in sports)) from your parrents which leaves you with too much free time.

Edit: This is to the OP just to clarify.
 

Chaz D

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The Potato Lord said:
The weak argument just got weaker. "I have a select few people I care about..."
Sounds to me like you're just an angsty hormone-ridden teenager without an outlet due to a lack of creative talent, So you just pretend to be "Without a conscience" as an excuse for why you are without adressing the actual problem.

And for shits and giggles I'm going to say you're 15, middle-class, white(pale to be more specific), have no job and no pressure to perform (academically, or physically(as in sports)) from your parrents which leaves you with too much free time.

Edit: This is to the OP just to clarify.
I hate to make posts without it adding anything to a thread, but: Agreed.
 

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The Potato Lord said:
The weak argument just got weaker. "I have a select few people I care about..."
Ah, I didn't see him say that.

The Potato Lord said:
Sounds to me like you're just an angsty hormone-ridden teenager without an outlet due to a lack of creative talent, So you just pretend to be "Without a conscience" as an excuse for why you are without adressing the actual problem.

And for shits and giggles I'm going to say you're 15, middle-class, white(pale to be more specific), have no job and no pressure to perform (academically, or physically(as in sports)) from your parrents which leaves you with too much free time.

Edit: This is to the OP just to clarify.
Agreed. Possibly attention seeking too.

Chaz D said:
I hate to make posts without it adding anything to a thread, but: Agreed.
Same here. QFT!
 

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george144 said:
I would be delighted to hear your views and opinions on this, are people who are without morality and empathy "evil" or simply a new state of human evolution.
How many kids have you made so far? Unless you plan on progressing your bloodline forward than you and your way of living are entirely irrelevant to the progress of human evolution. That's just how it works.

Also, I don't think you are evil I just think you are silly. You lack any integrity as a person and your lack of ethical standards makes you useless to others since you cannot be trusted or counted upon.
 

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george144 said:
I would be delighted to hear your views and opinions on this, are people who are without morality and empathy "evil" or simply a new state of human evolution.
delight
n.
1. Great pleasure; joy.
2. Something that gives great pleasure or enjoyment.

emotion

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1. an affective state of consciousness in which joy, sorrow, fear, hate, or the like, is experienced, as distinguished from cognitive and volitional states of consciousness.


To announce you would have an emotion about replies seems to void your opinion of yourself.
 

elemenetal150

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The OP is a joke, he isn't trying to start a real conversation he is just trying to flex nuts online which.........only show what kind of person he really is.
 

Samirat

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Cooperation is an evolutionary trait of humans. Hurting other people to further your own ends is not conducive to your species well being. If everyone was like you, the world would fall apart.

You're a psychopath. There is something broken in your mind.
 

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Samirat said:
Cooperation is an evolutionary trait of humans. Hurting other people to further your own ends is not conducive to your species well being. If everyone was like you, the world would fall apart.
So he's not the next stage in human evolution. But if he's genuine about his feelings, than he could probably get very far on his own. Scary but true, lets hope he lacks ambition.
 

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The Potato Lord said:
The weak argument just got weaker. "I have a select few people I care about..."
Sounds to me like you're just an angsty hormone-ridden teenager without an outlet due to a lack of creative talent, So you just pretend to be "Without a conscience" as an excuse for why you are without adressing the actual problem.

And for shits and giggles I'm going to say you're 15, middle-class, white(pale to be more specific), have no job and no pressure to perform (academically, or physically(as in sports)) from your parrents which leaves you with too much free time.

Edit: This is to the OP just to clarify.
I don't remember saying that and can find no record of it, and I have to say your guess as to what I'm like seems remarkably close, though I'm 16, roughly middle class, I'm white, (though quite tanned I spend just as much time outside as I do in.) I got fired from my job a few weeks ago for calling my employer some less then polite words and I have no pressure to perform at all as A levels are easy, though why this has turned into a discussion on me and not on the question at hand I have no idea.

Its entirely possible your right, I hadn't really considered it myself, I do abhor angsty teens though as I'm quite a happy person generally, Everyone entitled to there own opinion though I'd turn that keen analytical skill on yourself and your need to class others, though do not take this as an attack on yourself. Now I must sleep for I plan to watch the sun rise tomorrow Au Revoir
 

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mrgbx said:
Sorry, common teenage apathy is not evolutionary step because everyone GROWS out of it.
As much as i hate to 'this', i think it's been summed up quite nicely right here. Anyone who exhibited these symptoms would not parade them on an internet forum. Most sociopaths are the best damn liars you have ever met, and don't reveal themselves.

However, parading how hard your angst weighs upon your widening shoulders is a common symptom of the teen and his life of woe.

Either way, this isn't the place to discuss it.

EDIT: It seems someone has already made my point for me. Please, ignore me.
 

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george144 said:
The Potato Lord said:
The weak argument just got weaker. "I have a select few people I care about..."
Sounds to me like you're just an angsty hormone-ridden teenager without an outlet due to a lack of creative talent, So you just pretend to be "Without a conscience" as an excuse for why you are without adressing the actual problem.

And for shits and giggles I'm going to say you're 15, middle-class, white(pale to be more specific), have no job and no pressure to perform (academically, or physically(as in sports)) from your parrents which leaves you with too much free time.

Edit: This is to the OP just to clarify.
I don't remember saying that and can find no record of it, and I have to say your guess as to what I'm like seems remarkably close, though I'm 16, roughly middle class, I'm white, (though quite tanned I spend just as much time outside as I do in.) I got fired from my job a few weeks ago for calling my employer some less then polite words and I have no pressure to perform at all as A levels are easy, though why this has turned into a discussion on me and not on the question at hand I have no idea.

Its entirely possible your right, I hadn't really considered it myself, I do abhor angsty teens though as I'm quite a happy person generally, Everyone entitled to there own opinion though I'd turn that keen analytical skill on yourself and your need to class others, though do not take this as an attack on yourself. Now I must sleep for I plan to watch the sun rise tomorrow Au Revoir
I bet you are the most fake person to ever walk the face of the earth. Everything you say only shows how much you hide behind your artificial confidence. I wish I could meet you in real life. I wish that you would bring that fake ass attitude to my circle of friends for just one day. I'm not saying anyone would hurt you, I just think it would be funny to see you get put in your place
 

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Ultrajoe said:
mrgbx said:
Sorry, common teenage apathy is not evolutionary step because everyone GROWS out of it.
As much as i hate to 'this', i think it's been summed up quite nicely right here. Anyone who exhibited these symptoms would not parade them on an internet forum. Most sociopaths are the best damn liars you have ever met, and don't reveal themselves.

However, parading how hard your angst weighs upon your widening shoulders is a common symptom of the teen and his life of woe.

Either way, this isn't the place to discuss it.

EDIT: It seems someone has already made my point for me. Please, ignore me.
To play the devil's advocate (and just in case anyone was wondering, I have the feeling that he's some high school kid looking for attention as well), if I was a sociopath, and I had a completely anonymous form of communication for which to express my 'true self', I might do it just for kicks. Why not? He's not confessing to any specific crimes or 'bad things', so he's safe.
 

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The lack of feeling was a tool used by the ninja so that they could learn how to avoid manipulation and in turn manipulate others. Since my childhood I've noticed quite a lot of foolishness in the world. Small, pointless, sometimes even nonexistant things people have worried about.
For example, when i was very young, i was walking ahead of someone, from behind they asked me a question. Without turning around, I answered them. For one reason or another they saw me not looking at them, during quite possibly the most pointless conversation I've ever had, as a serious offense. I saw this emotional reaction as quite pointless, after all I answered the question, what more did he need?
I was raised a Christian. Good and Evil, Heaven/Hell, all that shit. And although i believed in good and evil at the time, i never really...felt it you know? I had always had an interest in the ninja, i eventually bought a book about ninjas on Ebay, called The Ninja and Their Secret Fighting Art. Through this i learned of the realm of the spirit. And the concept of advancing through stages in the mind.
Unlike the samurai, the ninja had no family name to defend. No honor to protect. No strict code of conduct. Through this they were able to do the work of an army with a single person. Through their beliefs, which was eventually called the Mikkyo sect of Bhuddism, they were able to rid themselves of all suffering. I however, have no interest in Bhuddism, they care far too much about morals and whatnot. It's through the ninja that i learned of Taoism.
Through the study of taoism, all is eventually made clear. And all suffering is eliminated quickly and efficiently. You see, when you were first born. You were one with the Tao, throughout the years, you ventured further and further away from the roots, you were born ignorant, not stupid. Education has spread stupidity like a virus. You had no desires, you had no morals, no emotion. No education. You had no problems at all.
Upon returning to the roots, that is when enlightenment is made possible. No longer are you buffeted helplessly between poles of good luck and bad. Taunted by gods and devils. You are simply one with the process. When the ultimate reality reveals, dualism dissapears. When you see all as one, you've returned to the roots. And from there, you can only improve.

I'd be interested in discussing this further at a later time. Do not try to make people understand you, this type of thing isnt something everyone can understand. Only 1 in 10,000 people ever will. The very concept is by today's standards absurd. But that's what makes it what it is. To quote the book "The unfettered mind" If you follow the world, you will turn your back on the way. If you would not turn your back on the way, do not follow the world.
 

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AgentNein said:
To play the devil's advocate (and just in case anyone was wondering, I have the feeling that he's some high school kid looking for attention as well), if I was a sociopath, and I had a completely anonymous form of communication for which to express my 'true self', I might do it just for kicks. Why not? He's not confessing to any specific crimes or 'bad things', so he's safe.
That's certainly more credible than the kids here who say they'd kill everybody for a day if there weren't repercussions. Wait, what?

Anyway, this thread fails. Being a heartless bastard doesn't make you perfect. It just makes you a dick.
 

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Interesting topic.

As a species, humanity is social, this cannot be denied. How this came about though is the question.

I would have to agree with the people who say empathy played it's part. If you cannot fathom how your actions may hurt others you can't really get along with them at all. If we had just banded together because we needed to to survive, not only would we not be as social or advanced as we are now, but we probably wouldn't have survived if we evolved this way, because if all you think about is yourself, you'd abandon other people at the first sign of any danger, which there would have been a lot of throughout the years.

Laws for example, wouldn't have been formed had we just banded together for survival, since the fittest and strongest would make the rules in their favour. That does happen nowadays though, but it tends to be the exception rather than the rule.

So, I'd say lacking empathy would put you at a disadvantage to everyone else. The only reason you survive is because society as a whole has advanced so much that we can cover for the deficiencies of others, which allows people to express these views.
 

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I am really afraid for your girlfriend. Why has she not left you or tried to get you help?

It sounds to me like you have a personality disorder. You're not evil, and you're not more than the rest of us. You're less. You are ill, and you should seek professional help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder#List_of_personality_disorders_defined_in_the_DSM
 

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I would never consider those without conscience to be an evolution - rather a step backwards. Humans, like almost all animals, are a social species. If you have no conscience (I mean really no conscience, not that said person doesn't feel guilty about certain things - but rather is truly without emotion) then you cannot hope to socialize, thus the human race would collapse.
 

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AgentNein said:
To play the devil's advocate (and just in case anyone was wondering, I have the feeling that he's some high school kid looking for attention as well), if I was a sociopath, and I had a completely anonymous form of communication for which to express my 'true self', I might do it just for kicks. Why not? He's not confessing to any specific crimes or 'bad things', so he's safe.
I thought he didn't do emotions?

Why would he give a shit what we thought if he was truly a sociopath?