Poll: Are you an environmentalist?

[Cowabungaa]

I can't stand them hippies who shout around that they have to 'protect the world' against ourselves. Such arrogance. All we'd do is destroy ourselves, and the planet doesn't really care when that happens.

Mind you, I'm all for curbing on polution and not gobbling up all the finite resources we have at our desposal, but don't pretend it's for anything else than our descendants. Because whatever we'd do in terms of polution and environmental damage, we'd kill ourselves way before the planet dies. Fast-forward another couple hundred thousand years and you'll barely notice anything has happened.

I concede to the point that we should attempt to curb environment damage. I believe, however, that the notion that we can destroy this planet is perhaps the most arrogant statement imaginable.

Exactly. All we'd do is destroy ourselves, the earth will just keep on spinning. It's been through way worse than us puny apes.

They want to get everyone into hybrid or electric cars 'because gasoline\diesel engines pollute too much', well not everyone can afford that, but to these people that doesn't matter. If you can't afford to drive a hybrid or electric car then you don't deserve to drive. That's the condescending attitude that these people take that pisses me off and makes me want to strangle them.

And you know what's even funnier? That a small, simple, relatively cheap car with an excellent fuel efficiency is probably a lot less hard on the evironment than one of those complicated hybrid monsters.

 

[tzimize]

Greenpeace? You mean eco-terrorist?

I concede to the point that we should attempt to curb environment damage. I believe, however, that the notion that we can destroy this planet is perhaps the most arrogant statement imaginable.

I also don't think the environment can be saved by sabotaging power plants, harassing corporations, and badgering the populace.

Fuck Greenpeace.

I guess its not so much about destroying the planet literally, as destroying the planet for ourselves. Nature will prevail, after a while, but its quite possible to fuck up the planet enough so that we either make ourselves extinct or destroy all society as we know it.

 

[Mcupobob]

I'm not big on saving the environment. Though I will walk instead of drive when I can, and compost and recycle everything. Other than that I don't go out and protest or live off of wheat grass or drive a hybrid. So I guess no. Though I do my part to make sure the world looks a little better when I feel like it.

EDIT: Oh about greenpeace, I put them on the same scale as PETA and those people in those annoying "Truth" adverts they used to play. The best word I can describe them as is Wankers. Though I feel bad for using that slang term since I'm American and all, but to be fair I read all the Tomorrow series which had a "Aussie" glossary in the back. Anyways every time I think of those types of people. The ones with a reasonable cause(Sometimes) who execute it at a ridiculous levels of stupid. I always see them tugging on their self righteous dicks thinking they know fuck all. Those type of people almost make me want to be on the side of "Earth raping corporations" and animal abusers. I hope to live to see a day where opinions and arguments weren't boiled down to some prick waving contest.

 

[Ambi]

I'm considering it.

I don't like wastefulness in industry. It's all cute and neat having little plastic packets inside a big plastic packet inside a boxing-taped cardboard box inside a big crate inside a big petrol-consuming truck being sent from an electricity-consuming factory receiving ingredients shipped from 100's of kilometers away, all so you can have that pretty chocolate sitting in your lunchbox. I also wonder how much landfill is taken up by the excess packaging used to make a product look more substantial. I saw an average-sized cheap flash drive embedded in packaging the size of a folded A4 piece of paper.

Environmentalism didn't particularly appeal to me at first. It conjured up images of moss green and brown bush ranger uniforms and those gross non-flushing toilets they have at national parks. Consideration of environmental aspects just happened to add to the validity of some things I already believe in for other reasons. For example, I'm a vegetarian and I found out that people say it's better for the environment. Okay, that's good, I thought, but I never really thought much about the environment. I was also interested in clean energy and growing my own food just because the independence of it appealed to me. I don't think it would really take that much effort for me to live like one of those environmentalist types, except when I want to get on a plane, or if I have to find a job that requires transport via car. It's easy to do little things, though. I visited the eco-village and thought it was livable.

Something like corporate takeover of land that's used by the community would make me angry, or animals being killed, or people letting toxic things into the air or sea with no regard for who it could hurt could make me angry. I'm just confused about global warming, amongst other things. I'm not really educated on pollution statistics and I don't understand why I should care about species becoming extinct, I don't see why one type of plant or animal species is more valuable. I sound like I'm contradicting myself because I'm supposed to care about animals, shouldn't I care if their tree homes got destroyed? What if the landscape was cleared to make way for fields and man-made forests and mini ecosystems where animals don't have to kill each other in the wild, and... I have no idea. I don't know much about delicate ecosystems or why/how they matter to us, all I imagine is grass and farms and things and whether they can survive. Not that I'd want every forest to be destroyed. I've heard about the possibility of there being some kind of thing with medicinal properties that can only be harvested from a rainforest somewhere, but I don't know... Yes, I need to think about this issue more. Maybe I need to experience the effects of pollution first-hand or visit a lovely forest about to be cleared. I need to learn about ecology.

 

[similar.squirrel]

An ecologist is somebody who studies the relationships between organisms and their environment. They are not necessarily environmentalists.

 

[JoJo]

I'm supportive of being environmentally friendly, but I don't like a lot of the douches who advocate it like it was handed down from heaven written on stone, WWF are alright but Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth can suck on it.

 

[Geeky Anomaly]

I just do common sense things like not littering and planting trees every couple of weeks. I'm not going to do anything crazy or stupid like buy a frikin' Prias or put bricks in my toilet.

 

[AlexNora]

and what makes you think these people aren't just lying???

What makes me think that multiple, separate, highly respected scientific groups aren't faking separate studies that came up with the same statistical data and conclusions, with no scientific evidence disproving these? Its just a hunch.

Seriously, the overwhelming majority of the scientific community has either done their own studies, or at least released position statements saying they believe the current occurrence of global warming is mostly as a result of human greenhouse emissions. The only reasons there is any doubt about this is firstly, people don't want to believe it, and secondly it benefits the rich power companies to create doubt about it. Had these same groups conducted nearly any other study, no one would question them, so why now do we presume they are lying now?

Also, look up the tolerance the scientific community has for faked/tampered results. There isn't any. That would mean either, the majority of the scientific community is conspiring to lie to us, which I doubt, or the human effect on global warming is as they say.

your point being what?

did you know scientist everywhere have bin looking for a cure for cancer even though theres been one for years? and yes they know about it.

the cure in question is vitamin b 17
and did you now cancer can be removed for the body with baking soda and does not require expensive and dangerous surgery or chemotherapy

YEAH scientist would never lie to use!

 

[loc978]

I?ll never understand why people keep bringing up Carlin in topics like this. He?s a comedian! What does he know about climate change and the effects humans have on the environment?

If you actually listen to him, you'd see that his point has nothing to do with climate change, or even life on this planet. It's more of a semantic point. Environmentalists will claim "we're destroying the planet!" when we're actually only harming life as we know it on the planet. Even if it's just a barren rock, the Earth will most likely still be here after our species is gone. Also, the points environmentalists raise are often exaggerated or delivered to ignorant folks without context. Yes, human beings cause some species to go extinct that otherwise wouldn't... and we should try to stop interfering with them. But most species that go extinct do so all on their own.

 

[SilentCom]

I am not an environmentalist because I have not joined any groups, however I do love nature and I watch how much waste I'm producing and even recycle. I guess I do my part but I'm not really fighting for the environment, just not screwing it up too much.

 

[King Toasty]

Wait, literally bombarded by Greenpace ads? Where did they get a cannon!?

OT: Not realllyyyy. Mainly because reports were exaggerated. After all, fear sells. I mean, I do recycle and stuff because it's legitimately useful for others, but beyond that, no. Also recycling is almost mandatory in BC.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Yes and no. As mentioned, many environmentalists aren't particularly interested in environmentalism, they see problems but don't want to look for actual solutions.

 

[Frankydee]

Save a tree, eat an environmentalist.

my thoughts on it anyway. It's too bad cannibalism is outlawed.

Seriously though, no. What's a whale ever done for me anyway?

 

[Plurralbles]

Greenpeace and a lot of those nonsense groups are actually doing their damndest to ruin the environment even more, and it's not simply by spouting so much drivel that people begin to go out of hteir way to damage the earth out of spite.

 

[Yureina]

I am not wasteful, but I will not join their fight. Everything I do is personal and done because I want to do it. That is how I like it. :3

 

[oooooooooooooooooooooooooo]

your point being what?

did you know scientist everywhere have bin looking for a cure for cancer even though theres been one for years? and yes they know about it.

the cure in question is vitamin b 17
and did you now cancer can be removed for the body with baking soda and does not require expensive and dangerous surgery or chemotherapy

YEAH scientist would never lie to use!

My point, I think, was obvious.

First of all, if you provide no proof of your claims here then I have no reason to believe them, and I don't. Secondly, we have absolutely no reason to believe these scientists are lying to us aside from some half baked conspiracy theories.

 

[Nouw]

Environmentalist? No.

I do care though[sub]educated guy talking here [/sub] because some of the issues are very real and I'd rather not say 'told you so.' Kinda does piss me off when people try and deny it though >.>

 

[Merkavar]

i dont think im an enviromentalist. but i dont go out of my way to club seals or dump oil in the storm drains.

 

[AlexNora]

your point being what?

did you know scientist everywhere have bin looking for a cure for cancer even though theres been one for years? and yes they know about it.

the cure in question is vitamin b 17
and did you now cancer can be removed for the body with baking soda and does not require expensive and dangerous surgery or chemotherapy

YEAH scientist would never lie to use!

My point, I think, was obvious.

First of all, if you provide no proof of your claims here then I have no reason to believe them, and I don't. Secondly, we have absolutely no reason to believe these scientists are lying to us aside from some half baked conspiracy theories.

ok big baby let me Google that for you

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cancer+cured+with+baking+soda

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vitamin+b17

i love that X3

 

[Gilhelmi]

I agree on certain points and disagree on others. I believe that we need to reduce the human population drastically, stop fucking up ecosystems and find a better way to deal with our trash.

But the biosphere has recovered from worse than what we are doing [cyanobacteria killing off most anaerobes, for example]. If we go extinct, we deserve it. If we don't, we will learn a very harsh lesson.

[read: sad sigh]OK, I will ask. How do we legally and morally lower the human population? Because many people would literally go to war if you. and while the ensuing war would lower the population some, war is not a good solution.

Education.

sorry for the wait.

How would education help reduce the population? I suppose that it would mean that people would not have as much "Board Sex". That would help. Also people would think through their actions more. "If I do not want to get pregnant I should not have sex". So yes, I can see how education would help.

(single word statements are not as good as an explanation)