Poll: Are you Boycotting EA Origin?
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I'll probably still get ME3, but i'll get the physical copy and if that comes with origin i'll wait for a crack. no way i'm letting ea take my personal info.
I don't think it's boycotting if it's something you don't want. I don't think I'm boycotting because I don't want to use it, at all, ever.
Maybe others are.
Maybe others are.
Nope. While I don't respect Origin at all, that doesn't stop me from playing the games I like, as it shouldn't. There's the bonus that I'm not a very big PC gamer, but I think boycotting is just silly. They don't care, all it does is stop you from playing games that you might otherwise have greatly enjoyed.
Legal question: Does Origin display the EULA before you actually spend the money?
That's a question because here (.de) there's some ambuity regarding EULAs. Some argue that they are terms to the purchase contract and as such void when added after the contract is closed, some argue that that's a non-issue, because you can go back on that contract if you disagree with those terms... Fortunately, there's no ambiguity regarding the validity of some of those terms: If they are valid, they are general terms and conditions and as such to be evaluated under the General Terms and Conditions Law (here: AGBG). And that means that stuff that is "surprising" or "one-sided" is not part of the contract. (For details, contact a lawyer. I'm no lawyer!)
Well, whatever. Regarding Origin: I find it laughable that it took three of those platforms for anyone to actually notice that they have crappy terms of service. Why did we (as customers) let companies get away with that for such a long time? Much has gone wrong with the legal situation, both in the US and here, in the last two decades. The more laws regulated computing, the more rights customers lost. Fifteen years ago it was legal to make a safety copy of a game you bought. It was even OK to let them circulate in small numbers (IIRC it was as much as eight copies).
It was OK to break copy protections. (I still see it as OK in Germany, _if_ the copy protection prevents you from actually playing the game you rightfully bought!)
However, IMO there's so much else that's wrong with publishing... I'd rather support Valve and Impulse in their quest to make a better service and just hope that they give the money saved from not doing printed promotion, pressed discs and so on to the developers, who are the ones that actually deserve the money. But, well, that's just publishing, and you have the same problems in book publishing (just that there the deserving aren't called developers but authors).
Regarding "EA has better things to do than find pirates": You seem to hope for the Stasi theorem (i.e. so much surveilance generates too much data for EA to process... that's how the Stasi was at the end). However, processing power has increased dramatically and if they can make their software find copies of their games with the DRM removed and have it gather proof that will hold up in court, and make the lawsuit computerized, believe me, they will if they think it gives them more money than it costs. And since "piracy" scaremongers always pull far too big numbers out of their asses, that last condition will probably hold. (I really, really hate that term "piracy", because it was coined purely to make copy protection circumventers and copy right infringers sound like they're hurting people. As in, with a cutlass!)
One other thing: When Valve created Steam, that was great. When Impulse created Impulse, that was already redundand, but it was OK, because Steam needed competition. But now EA creates Origin just out of spite? And I seem to remember EA taunting Steam in the beginning, like "That'll never pay off!". Well, to quote Mahatma Ghandi: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." EA vs. Steam is currently in round 3.
That's a question because here (.de) there's some ambuity regarding EULAs. Some argue that they are terms to the purchase contract and as such void when added after the contract is closed, some argue that that's a non-issue, because you can go back on that contract if you disagree with those terms... Fortunately, there's no ambiguity regarding the validity of some of those terms: If they are valid, they are general terms and conditions and as such to be evaluated under the General Terms and Conditions Law (here: AGBG). And that means that stuff that is "surprising" or "one-sided" is not part of the contract. (For details, contact a lawyer. I'm no lawyer!)
Well, whatever. Regarding Origin: I find it laughable that it took three of those platforms for anyone to actually notice that they have crappy terms of service. Why did we (as customers) let companies get away with that for such a long time? Much has gone wrong with the legal situation, both in the US and here, in the last two decades. The more laws regulated computing, the more rights customers lost. Fifteen years ago it was legal to make a safety copy of a game you bought. It was even OK to let them circulate in small numbers (IIRC it was as much as eight copies).
It was OK to break copy protections. (I still see it as OK in Germany, _if_ the copy protection prevents you from actually playing the game you rightfully bought!)
However, IMO there's so much else that's wrong with publishing... I'd rather support Valve and Impulse in their quest to make a better service and just hope that they give the money saved from not doing printed promotion, pressed discs and so on to the developers, who are the ones that actually deserve the money. But, well, that's just publishing, and you have the same problems in book publishing (just that there the deserving aren't called developers but authors).
Regarding "EA has better things to do than find pirates": You seem to hope for the Stasi theorem (i.e. so much surveilance generates too much data for EA to process... that's how the Stasi was at the end). However, processing power has increased dramatically and if they can make their software find copies of their games with the DRM removed and have it gather proof that will hold up in court, and make the lawsuit computerized, believe me, they will if they think it gives them more money than it costs. And since "piracy" scaremongers always pull far too big numbers out of their asses, that last condition will probably hold. (I really, really hate that term "piracy", because it was coined purely to make copy protection circumventers and copy right infringers sound like they're hurting people. As in, with a cutlass!)
One other thing: When Valve created Steam, that was great. When Impulse created Impulse, that was already redundand, but it was OK, because Steam needed competition. But now EA creates Origin just out of spite? And I seem to remember EA taunting Steam in the beginning, like "That'll never pay off!". Well, to quote Mahatma Ghandi: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." EA vs. Steam is currently in round 3.
Yes, I'm boycotting Origin games. But so far it hasn't been very hard or inconvenient because there's nothing good on it anyway.
I agree with this. There are some games by EA that interest me, but they're all available on Steam.Kitsuna10060 said:
I still buy their (relatively few) games that are still available on Steam. If only to make a half-hearted statement that I'd rather they were still using it as well.Rex Dark said:
If worst comes to worst, I will just set up a Virtual Machine to run the games that require it.
I don't know if "boycot" is the right word for what i'm doing, but i am steadfastly refusing to but any EA related product anymore and attempting to conving others to do the same.
NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ORIGIN! Yes it is a piece of shit knock off of steam that adds another wall between the gamer and the game. But EA is guilty of a lot of other things that have made me say ENOUGH!
This is just what i can remember of what atrocities EA has committed:
-Advertising "Dante's Inferno" by paying a group of people to fraudulently act as a christian group picketing against the game.
-Advertising "Dead Space 2" by creating a TV ad campaign with the major selling line being "Your mum will hate it!".
-Folding under preasure when the controversy surrounding the "Medal of Honour" game featuring the taliban faction.
But this is the one that made me rage the most:
-Casting in their support of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act), and I mean being active front bench supporters.
OK getting long now so i will finish up with this statement.
Fuck EA! Fuck those reprehensable, immoral, money-grubbing, weak-willed, spineless, brainless, dickless, arse-hole motherfucking CUNTS!!!! *huff* *puff*
NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ORIGIN! Yes it is a piece of shit knock off of steam that adds another wall between the gamer and the game. But EA is guilty of a lot of other things that have made me say ENOUGH!
This is just what i can remember of what atrocities EA has committed:
-Advertising "Dante's Inferno" by paying a group of people to fraudulently act as a christian group picketing against the game.
-Advertising "Dead Space 2" by creating a TV ad campaign with the major selling line being "Your mum will hate it!".
-Folding under preasure when the controversy surrounding the "Medal of Honour" game featuring the taliban faction.
But this is the one that made me rage the most:
-Casting in their support of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act), and I mean being active front bench supporters.
OK getting long now so i will finish up with this statement.
Fuck EA! Fuck those reprehensable, immoral, money-grubbing, weak-willed, spineless, brainless, dickless, arse-hole motherfucking CUNTS!!!! *huff* *puff*
Not so much 'boycotting Origin' as much as 'nothing I want to play requires the damn thing'.
This is EA we're talking about, they don't exactly ooze quality sans the terrible business practices.
This is EA we're talking about, they don't exactly ooze quality sans the terrible business practices.
If you're asking if I'm buying EA games, no.
If you're asking if I'm not buying EA games because of Origin, no.
If you're asking if I'm not buying EA games because I'm pirating them, no.
I'm not buying them because I don't care for the games.
If you're asking if I'm not buying EA games because of Origin, no.
If you're asking if I'm not buying EA games because I'm pirating them, no.
I'm not buying them because I don't care for the games.
I'm definitely avoiding any EA games on PC for this very reason (unless Origin isn't involved, in which case maybe). As for consoles, well it depends on what crap EA's going to try to pull on those versions as well as how good the game is.
Hmm I won't download anything off it as EADM was a rip off nightmare but unfortunately since I had invested so much in The Sims 3 already I had to use it. Which is a pain.
If I have to buy an EA Origin game (probably Mass Effect 3) I will buy a hard copy I don't trust them to give you your money back if Origin fucks up.
If I have to buy an EA Origin game (probably Mass Effect 3) I will buy a hard copy I don't trust them to give you your money back if Origin fucks up.
I am, which makes me really sad because I want to play Mass Effect 3. I will purchase it if I can get it without using Origin but if it requires Origin, no dice.
I'm not boycotting it. I just never intend to use it. Boycotting would imply that I would use it if they changed some conditions regarding the use Origins. I don't have any intention of using it no matter what they say or do with it. I just don't trust EA.
Only game I am getting from EA now is ME3. Not using Origin though, never will. I would rather purchase ME3 from Gamestop then download Origin, and I HATE Gamestop... 