Poll: Are you finished with Bioware now?

[Korolev]

I am not "finished" with them. Game studios are not like hospital patients - there is no such thing as a "terminal" decline (until the studio goes absolutely broke). We've seen studios pull themselves back up after running foul and doing poorly.

I will look at any future BioWare game very skeptically.... and I probably will never buy one on day one again.

But never say never. Nothing is set in stone. Yes, a lot of us were disappointed by DA2 and Mass Effect 3, and I can't say that things look entirely rosey for BioWare, but you never know. Drew could come back at some point and they could spontaneously fire all their current writers and hire newer, better writers. Or get new management.

Sure, be skeptical. But don't write all their future games off as failures. As disappointed as I was by the end of ME3, there were a lot of parts of ME3 that I liked a LOT. It shows that they still have some talent, even if that talent is slowly fading away.

 

[Candidus]

Your thread title and poll question are mismatched. I misvoted after reading the thread title.

Ditto.

I'm done with Bioware.

 

[Gali]

I'm not going to buy a new Bioware game. It's not because of the crappy ME3 ending, I just don't want to use Origin. Steam is enough, thank you.

 

[endtherapture]

I am not "finished" with them. Game studios are not like hospital patients - there is no such thing as a "terminal" decline (until the studio goes absolutely broke). We've seen studios pull themselves back up after running foul and doing poorly.

I will look at any future BioWare game very skeptically.... and I probably will never buy one on day one again.

But never say never. Nothing is set in stone. Yes, a lot of us were disappointed by DA2 and Mass Effect 3, and I can't say that things look entirely rosey for BioWare, but you never know. Drew could come back at some point and they could spontaneously fire all their current writers and hire newer, better writers. Or get new management.

Sure, be skeptical. But don't write all their future games off as failures. As disappointed as I was by the end of ME3, there were a lot of parts of ME3 that I liked a LOT. It shows that they still have some talent, even if that talent is slowly fading away.

When EA gets a company, it usually is a terminal decline.

Just look at Bullfrog and Westwood. Both massive, successful studios, both bought out by EA. Where are they now?

 

[Murlin]

As long as people like Micheal Bay aren't on the next project and it isn't a movie or children's game I'm ready to believe Bioware can make something good again.
But talking is one thing, actually doing something is another.

Goes for people who foreswear Bioware right now too, I'm curious to see how much of that dedication to Bioware-hatred remains if a new blockbuster comes out their doors and turns out to be really good.

 

[Estelindis]

Bioware has been my favourite game developer since I started playing PC games with Baldur's Gate. I've bought everything they've released for the PC since then and enjoyed the vast majority of it very much.

The ending of ME3 leaves me conflicted. On the one hand, the vast majority of the game was utterly stellar in terms of its action, cinematics, and writing. I was emotionally hooked for the whole ride, until the end. There we come to the other hand. I don't understand what Mac Walters and Casey Hudson were thinking when they wrote those awful endings. None of the things that happened after that, ah, elevator made any sense whatsoever. I tried all three endings, even though my Shepard would have demanded or found another way if I'd been allowed to roleplay her as I wanted. Not one showed any logic or consistency. Not one gave any satisfaction or closure. The game had been really good at giving all those things up to that point, particularly with the lovely final conversations you got to have with your squad and crew in the final staging area before setting out on the final mission. Then... it's like everything great that happened before, that was leading up to the ending, was mushed up and thrown in the bin! All those resources, just squandered. Unlike the endings of the first two games, where I felt like a triumphant hero, my feeling at the end of ME3 was hollow bafflement. Hollow at the lack of logic, closure, and fulfilment. Bafflement as I wondered "why on earth did Bioware ever want to make this happen?"

The thought of playing another new Bioware game and getting invested in the story and the characters - as good writing makes you invested; it's a sign of a well-made game, not a sign that the player has no life or something - and then having all that squandered, just trashed and disregarded, the questions they led us to ask not being answered, the intellectual puzzles being set aside for a facile, insulting deus ex machina... It fills me with dread. The feelings I've been left with at the end of this game do not make me want to play another game by Bioware, not if this is what they're going to do to me at the end. They told me that choices matter and then took my agency away. I wouldn't have minded a heroic sacrifice or a bittersweet ending; I just wanted them to make sense and be emotionally satisfying. I just can't see myself investing in another narrative from them if they're just going to totally disrespect my investment and waste it.

So yeah... I've loved Bioware for a long time and never would have seen myself as someone to turn away from their games, but I don't want what just happened with the ME3 ending to be repeated, and Bioware themselves are showing no remorse or any sense that the ending was a mistake and they'd like to improve it, so I have no reason to think that they wouldn't just merrily do all this again.

 

[Saltyk]

Your thread title and poll question are mismatched. I misvoted after reading the thread title.

Mass Effect 3 was unforgivable. Bioware is like the zombie of a loved one, it's for the best if it gets put down.

Well, then, you and I canceled each other out. I read the title and voted based on that. Didn't see the actual question until I was hitting the "vote" button.

Ah! I misvoted because the subject line didn't match with the poll question!

Not done with Bioware. They made a game that was awesome all the way through and only messed up in the last 5 minutes.

Then again...

Thread Title and Poll do not match. Misvoted due to this. Bad Poll

Okay, I'm beginning to think the results of this poll are completely invalid...

 

[General_Mills44]

Barring a bad ending ME3 was a fantastic game. However just because the last 10 minutes were unpleasant I'm not going to suddenly forget about the 32 hours of pure fun.

 

[Palmerama]

I misvoted due to the way the poll was questioned compared to the title!
While I am still recovering from the dissapointment of the Mass 3 ending I still had a sblast playing it and was very heavily invested in it right up until that point.
I enjoy playing The Old Republic & it has completely taken me away from WoW. DA2 wasn't as great as it shoulod have been but there were good ideas in there & alot of the character stuff was well written.

I am hoping that they pull it back with Dragon Age III! Though alot of senior members of Bioware have left the company due to the stranglehold that EA have over them & that the company is just far too big now. I find it ironic that they have gotten rid of the coproration part of their name when they are now actually corporation size!

 

[The Lesbian Flower]

I'm not understanding all the negative feedback and outrage from Mass Effect 3. Was it the gameplay? The story? The ending? I'm very much confused about all of this backlash they are receiving.

 

[Tufty94]

Your thread title and poll question are mismatched. I misvoted after reading the thread title.

Mass Effect 3 was unforgivable. Bioware is like the zombie of a loved one, it's for the best if it gets put down.

Well, then, you and I canceled each other out. I read the title and voted based on that. Didn't see the actual question until I was hitting the "vote" button.

Ah! I misvoted because the subject line didn't match with the poll question!

Not done with Bioware. They made a game that was awesome all the way through and only messed up in the last 5 minutes.

Then again...

Thread Title and Poll do not match. Misvoted due to this. Bad Poll

Okay, I'm beginning to think the results of this poll are completely invalid...

Yes they are, I also fucked it up.

 

[370999]

I'm not understanding all the negative feedback and outrage from Mass Effect 3. Was it the gameplay? The story? The ending? I'm very much confused about all of this backlash they are receiving.

The majority of people liked the game until the ending from what I've gathered. There are some other issues such as day one DLC, Vega, lack of a decent quest managment, photoshop stock images and the like but nothing major.

 

[CopperBoom]

According to the March Madness it seems the result is no.

 

[pspman45]

WAAAHHHH
the ending for ME3 wasn't what I wanted
Now I'm never going to buy their games again!
because any rational human being would conclude that a disagreeable ending should spoil an entire quality game!
WAAAAAAHHHHHHH

Didn't finish ME3, did ya?

I did.
at first I was shocked, I put the controller down and was all like "wat."
but I wasn't all that mad. a bit dissatisfied, but not enough to boycott one of my favorite game developers.
I don't think that the last 10 minutes can ruin the 25+ hour game for me. I still had a great time playing it.
I can respect that people didn't like the ending, but OP's survey is a BIT overkill.

 

[Oly J]

DAMN IT I misvoted, yes I will play more bioware games, I haven't played any ME games yet not even the first, but surely a bad ending isn't worth this much bitching and moaning, especially if the rest of it was good,

 

[V TheSystem V]

Definitely not.

The Mass Effect series is my favourite in gaming, good ending or bad ending. I remember the journey, and despite an unsatisfactory ending (which is better if you consider it being an indoctrination, in which case, GO BIOWARE) I will still buy their games.

 

[AT God]

I can't swear to a definite no, but I doubt i will ever buy one at full price, especially on preorder because of what ME3 did. If Bioware handles this scandal well, (well being the way I want it) I would be willing to follow their future products, but if they leave the ending as is and just brush it under the rug I doubt they will get any of my money unless their product goes on Steam's christmas sale, which is how I got started with Mass Effect in the first place.

 

[Michael Hirst]

I'm not finished with Bioware, I'm not finished with any games company. I'm just finished with bullshit and being treat like criminal and/or a dripping moneybag.

Okay so the whole purpose is to make money and sure, I'll cough up for a new WHOLE game just not one that demands I drip more on top of an already high retail price.

If good games are made with good practices that don't mean having to install spyware (origin) onto my computer and are made in their entirety (I don't mind cosmetic things being left out as DLC really but story elements should stay in) then I will buy them regardless of which company made them.

If Bioware continue this trend of making sub par games then I won't buy them for that reason. If they make something promising I'll buy it.

 

[Blade_125]

Question to everyone. I haven't bought ME3 yet (I'd like to say it's on principal for the whole DLC BS, but it's more because I just bought a condo and I have no money). I have heard a whole lot of complaints on the ending, but what about the rest of the game? Is it just as bad? How does it compare to the first two?