Poll: Asperger Syndrome [please vote, even if you don't know what it is]
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I've actually never heard of AS before but I knew that those characteristics existed as a form of Autism.
not dening they can't the friend I spoke of is really smart,its mainly why I get on with he fairly well,but I would say the words "fully blown" was a bad choice of words there,sorry(not just to you but anyone,even those whom have yet and never will the read the post,maybe its even unnessicery but still,sorry).nikomas1 said:
To be anti-social, shy, or agoraphobic is bad enough without the stigma of a psychiatric diagnosis attached to it. Anyone who's programmed differently than society's unrealistic expectations is effectively diseased or defective in today's world.LordMarcusX said:
I had a college with a mild form of autism so I looked up some general information on autism and its varieties.
(That wasn't a grammatical correction, more an exclamation. And we can argue the correct placement of the period until the end of time. It's a very old argument; in what I've learned (a la William Saffire and William F. Buckley) is that it goes inside the quotations if it is the end of a sentence unto itself. If it's a fragment, the period goes outside).Florion said:
Well, that's a fine mindset for you to have, but I don't share it. Yes, if someone is in any way disadvantaged (mentally, physically, or in terms of personality), they need to prove that they have something to make up for it. Beyond that, everyone should be treated differently based on what meaningful qualities they have. Call me meanspirited, but I operate from "treat people with indifference (in a I-won't-make-fun-of-you-but-don't-want-to-spend-time-with-you-or-accept-you kind of way) until they prove they have something to bring to humanity".
A normal person only has to prove they can make some contribution. An abnormal person has to prove that he can make an even greater contribution to make up for the cost of accommodating that abnormality. The "being more flawed with less culpability" thing was that it becomes an excuse for behavior which would be otherwise unacceptable in a person, and that's the opposite of what should happen. A person with a flaw should have to be even better, rather than allowed to be worse.
Right, so I'm not sure what your objection was. In the same way a short person has to be able to jump really high to play in the NBA, or an ugly person has to be really smart to be accepted into society, a person with asperger's has to have some exceptionally good trait to make up for it.nikomas1 said:
"The 'being more flawed with less culpability' thing was that it becomes an excuse for behavior which would be otherwise unacceptable in a person, and that's the opposite of what should happen." <-- I'm okay with that, but say I have two people who make the same social faux pas and one of them has Asperger's. I would be appropriately disgusted by both, as it looks like you would, but I would probably be angry with the mentally able person because he should know better, whereas, it could just be a case of explaining what was wrong to the person with Asperger's.Seldon2639 said:
Where do you draw the line between "normal" and "abnormal?"
(Also, it's been really fun chatting with you, but I'm probably going to have to go soon. I'll check back one more time maybe, and then I have to go study.)
I don't think "society" can be equated to the NBA in this analogy. Society is a very broad term, and I know people with Asperger's can be accepted into society (here I mean they can be accepted into people social lives and have social lives of their own even if it's harder for them, and they can have talents just like non-autistic people). What were you thinking of?Seldon2639 said:
And I'd have the opposite reaction, because the "normal" person probably doesn't have a habit of it. Both people should know better (in order to be part of normal society), but the person with asperger's might be wholly unable to adapt. It would depend on whether there's a history of such actions, but it's more that the person without asperger's is just being cool, and the person with it makes a faux pas. For most people, they'd say "well, he has a disease", for me, I find that to be crap.Florion said:
The line between normal and abnormal is entirely normative, and usually subjective, so it's up to each person and each society.
(Heh, I've got a paper I should have been working on myself)
Analogies are pretty hit or miss. My point was that where a normal person can be accepted immediately, someone with an abnormality has to be that much better. If you're fat, be smarter. If you're stupid, be prettier. I'm not saying they *can't* be part of society (a short person really *can* jump high enough), just that they should (and do) have to prove more of themselves.Florion said:
Where's the poll option for "I believe I'm an Aspie but haven't bothered getting officially diagnosed"? 'Cause that's me.tthor said:
I knew someone with IED. It put him in prison; such a shame. Possibly the nicest guy I ever met, and very intelligent. A father of two, too.sms_117b said:
Then say that instead. Use the word prejudice. While superficially, yes, it's all prejudice, but it's not the same thing as basing these preconceptions off something with as little to do with someone's personality as skin color. Those with aspergers are not a race, anymore than those with schizophrenia are a race. It just seems that way due to this incessant need to label and group.tthor said: