Poll: Australian man acquitted of rape due to Skinny Jeans

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R Man

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Its not that the guy was found innocent. Its that he was found innocent because of a piece of clothing. Something that has bad implications. He might very well have been innocent, but then he should have been let off for other reasons, like an inconsistent testimony. Though this might be the media miss-reporting the trial verdict.

On the other hand, it may be unlikely that the police would bother to let it to court if there was too much doubt. But I;m not sure.
 
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R Man said:
Its not that the guy was found innocent. Its that he was found innocent because of a piece of clothing. Something that has bad implications. He might very well have been innocent, but then he should have been let off for other reasons, like an inconsistent testimony. Though this might be the media miss-reporting the trial verdict.

On the other hand, it may be unlikely that the police would bother to let it to court if there was too much doubt. But I;m not sure.
Rape cases are notorious for low conviction rates, because more often than not, it's one person's word against another, with very little else to support either side. A rape conviction basically ruins a man's life so the courts are very reluctant to let potential miscarriages of justice happen based on one person's word against another.
 

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Aylaine said:
Why don't they just do a DNA test? Why leave it up to her attire?
There may have been none, depending what may or may not have been used in the act.

OT: I'm not to sure what to think about this, I'll need more information before I give my opinion, like say the quality of her testimony, or several other things that could be important.
 

SlowShootinPete

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Why do so many people in this thread keep discussing whether or not the man is innocent when the poll is about the reason he was acquitted? The OP isn't asking us to judge the man's guilt, it's asking if we think the reasoning behind the acquittal is retarded [which it is].
 
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SlowShootinPete said:
Why do so many people in this thread keep discussing whether or not the man is innocent when the poll is about the reason he was acquitted? The OP isn't asking us to judge the man's guilt, it's asking if we think the reasoning behind the acquittal is retarded [which it is].
Unless you have the case transcript in front of you, you can't possibly know all the facts, yes the jeans are stupid on their own but you don't know what other evidence ties in with it. People with no experience with the law and its proceedings tend to make the stupidest remarks, just read half the posts on this thread.
 

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SlowShootinPete said:
Why do so many people in this thread keep discussing whether or not the man is innocent when the poll is about the reason he was acquitted? The OP isn't asking us to judge the man's guilt, it's asking if we think the reasoning behind the acquittal is retarded [which it is].
and we don't even know the reason for the acquittal.

we DO know, media likes do hype shit up, because stuff like this sells better than the truth. I sincerely doubt a jury would acquit a charge just because tight jeans are somewhat hard to remove, and we haven't seen a single hint of proof wether this was actually the case.
 

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SlowShootinPete said:
Why do so many people in this thread keep discussing whether or not the man is innocent when the poll is about the reason he was acquitted? The OP isn't asking us to judge the man's guilt, it's asking if we think the reasoning behind the acquittal is retarded [which it is].
The point is, in all likelihood that's not at all the "reason he was acquitted",the source given was just plain bad.
 

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Aylaine said:
Why don't they just do a DNA test? Why leave it up to her attire?
Because he could have said it was done with her consent.
It happens quite often, a woman accusing a man of rape after they have sex with consent.
 

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vivaldiscool said:
I wasn't saying he was necessarily guilty. I was saying the fact that this argument was even made, more so accepted by the jury, is insane.
 

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Davrel said:
OK - you may find it a little crazy, but what if he was actually telling the truth and he didn't rape her? There are plenty of fucked-up women out there too (not as many as men admittedly, but still).

The law works on the basis of proving something "beyond reasonable doubt", if the prosecution can't do that, then tough.

He was found innocent by a jury of his peers and his life wasn't ruined by a (possibly) wrongful rape conviction. As far as I'm concerned, he's innocent.
Juries have been wrong before, look at the OJ Simpson trial.
 

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Mcface said:
This is ridiculous. My girlfriend wears skinny jeans all the time, and I have no trouble getting them off.
Than she's not wearing actual skin tight jeans. Those things take crowbars to peel off.

That being said... sounds like a... that doesn't sound right at all. He might have HAD a crowbar (Without jest, yes, this sounds like bullshit).

EDIT: Actually read the links. Sounds like this wasn't the real reason, just bloggers being sarcastic.
 
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LarenzoAOG said:
Davrel said:
OK - you may find it a little crazy, but what if he was actually telling the truth and he didn't rape her? There are plenty of fucked-up women out there too (not as many as men admittedly, but still).

The law works on the basis of proving something "beyond reasonable doubt", if the prosecution can't do that, then tough.

He was found innocent by a jury of his peers and his life wasn't ruined by a (possibly) wrongful rape conviction. As far as I'm concerned, he's innocent.
Juries have been wrong before, look at the OJ Simpson trial.
Indeed. Just look at the Barry George case. (Man wrongly convicted of murder)
This argument works both ways.
 

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I guess I'd have to know more about the two people involved before I make a decision that, if I was on the jury, might possibly ruin a guy's life.

Did they know each other before hand? If so, how long? Were there intoxicants involved? The day of, where were they that might have provoked the incident? A nightclub, passing on the street, etc.? And now for the really insensitive question, did she have regrets AFTER sex, so she said he raped her?

There is a lot of consideration to go into whether or not it was rape or consensual. Given the questions I asked above were just off the top of my head, one has to assume the defense asked these same questions and more, and happened to raise some form of doubt beyond "she was wearing skinny jeans". Clearly, the skinny jeans only played a small part in the acquittal.

Of course, the guy could be a total piece of shit. It'd be interesting to read the court case if it is public record, but I'm not sure about Australian laws.
 
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Let this be a protip for all women. If you want to avoid getting raped by a random man, wear skinny jeans. At least, that's what the defense is basically saying.


This is...I can't even...Skinny jeans? That was the one factor?
 

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This is a reprehensible ruling. On a side note, did the article include the name of the lawyer? Man sounds like a genius, and I want him representing me if I ever get busted for larceny or possession...
 
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superbatranger said:
Let this be a protip for all women. If you want to avoid getting raped by a random man, wear skinny jeans. At least, that's what the defense is basically saying.


This is...I can't even...Skinny jeans? That was the one factor?
Yes, yes, that was the one factor. /sarcasm
Seriously, does everyone draw a conclusion based on biased articles? The law isn't as cut and dry as that, court cases are complex and diverse animals. People are very rarely 'let off'.