Poll: Bayonetta 2 nothing new

[Dragonbums]

Of course right after the first Bayonetta, they were indeed working on the second game. This is where the funding fiasco comes in. Bayonetta...didn't sell all that hot.
I don't know why people are calling SEGA evil on this. They are having financial woes at the moment, and the ACM/Gearbox fiasco hasn't helped them an iota. So clearly, they couldn't publish, yet alone fund this game. Especially when the first one hardly raked in the cash.

People tend to call a company evil if they won't fund certain things really. I mean I can understand why SEGA didn't put it forward, they really couldn't afford to and didn't wanna take a risk, and that's understandable. Most people however view it that SEGA never even wanted to take a chance on it, which for certain we don't know since they really didn't have the funds to do the game back when it was first announced.

Really for me the Wii U is gonna be a secondary console so I don't plan on getting many games, mainly just first party Nintendo games. Mainly it'll be a Wii 2 for me since my Wii has the region coding broken on it via softmod disc (old Freeloader discs that used to work on Gamecubes as well) so then I can play 2 of my imports. As a result I was locked out of being able to play some of the later Wii games (believe me the imports make it worth it, I love the Unlimited Cruise games). So now I can actually get some of the online games from the eShop, and play some of my Wii games that I really want to play. (Sonic Colors binge, here I come)

Also, thanks for the friend request.

That would be the opposite for me.

The Wii U would be my primary console and the PS4 would be secondary. I have a feeling that there are going to be a bounty of games to play on the system in the near future.

Also no problem on the friend request. You are a pleasant person to converse with on the Escapist.

captcha: break a dollar.

No captcha, that's illegal.

 

[lunavixen]

Well i'll put it simply, I love Bayonetta, I want Bayonetta 2, but i'm not getting a Wii-U for it because I don't want a Wii-U, there is nothing on it that I want, so they're losing out on both fronts here.

 

[Nieroshai]

Personally I'm indifferent. I had some fun with Bayonetta, but not enough that I'm super broken up about not being able to play the sequel. My only question at this point is how is it going to be playable on that godawful monstrosity of a controller? I'm assuming most people will just use the pro controller, because this is the exact kind of game that has no use for the pad.

The Gamepad is actually a pretty damn good controller. I reckon it is more comfortable than both the Xbox 360 and PS3 pad.

I have used the WiiU pad, and lets just say I could not disagree with you more and leave it at that.

Tastes. There are people who feel the 360 controller was made for giants, and people who think side-by-side control sticks should burn in hell.

 

[ArkhamJester]

I'm indifferent.

I don't have a Wii U yet, but i'll probably get one eventually. Basically I don't buy a system until there are 5 exclusives on it that I genuinely want to play. So far,

1. Bayonetta 2
2. The Wonderful 101
3. Shim Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem

C'mon! Two more guys! You had enough for me to get a 3DS!

Hell, I'll take it down to four if one of those games is a Metroid or Kirby game. And I'll make it 10 if the Metroid game is done by Team Ninja

Maybe it isn't your thing but Pikmin 3 is pure joy, so if you let me be so bold, one to go!

 

[Another]

I'm indifferent.

I don't have a Wii U yet, but i'll probably get one eventually. Basically I don't buy a system until there are 5 exclusives on it that I genuinely want to play. So far,

1. Bayonetta 2
2. The Wonderful 101
3. Shim Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem

C'mon! Two more guys! You had enough for me to get a 3DS!

Hell, I'll take it down to four if one of those games is a Metroid or Kirby game. And I'll make it 10 if the Metroid game is done by Team Ninja

Maybe it isn't your thing but Pikmin 3 is pure joy, so if you let me be so bold, one to go!

I have the same reaction to Pikmin as I do Animal Crossing and Monster Hunter. I've tried them and I absolutely get why they are good, but it just isn't my thing. My fiance had the first two though and loved 'em so it will probably end up in the collection anyway

 

[KazeAizen]

Well i'll put it simply, I love Bayonetta, I want Bayonetta 2, but i'm not getting a Wii-U for it because I don't want a Wii-U, there is nothing on it that I want, so they're losing out on both fronts here.

I'm going to sound like a bit of an ass but yes there is something you want on it. You just said it. There is nothing on the Wii U now I will agree. Still in the next 2 years there is going to be plenty on the Wii U.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Well i'll put it simply, I love Bayonetta, I want Bayonetta 2, but i'm not getting a Wii-U for it because I don't want a Wii-U, there is nothing on it that I want, so they're losing out on both fronts here.

I'm going to sound like a bit of an ass but yes there is something you want on it. You just said it. There is nothing on the Wii U now I will agree. Still in the next 2 years there is going to be plenty on the Wii U.

I can understand @lunavixen's point. I bought a Wii originally for No More Heroes. I knew I was going to get the Nintendo first party games as well, but NMH really interested me. 10 months later I sold the Wii. It's release schedule was so slow with games that weren't shovelware coming out I grew tired of waiting. The Wii U looks to have the same problem. Yes good games are coming out in a while, but it'll be a loooong while before there's a collection of WiiU games that make the console itself worth buying.


Even this holiday season won't help as its only the new 3D Mario coming out in December. Pikmin 3 is out and hasn't helped move units because its so niche. Same will probably happen to Wonderful 101 with the lack of marketing for that game. Any other WiiU game worth mentioning is coming out in the next few months of 2013 or in Spring of 2014(with no actual release dates set so I'd be wary of any Spring releases.

I think the Wii U's dry spell of games that people want to buy is going to last longer than people anticipate.

 

[Roxas1359]

Even this holiday season won't help as its only the new 3D Mario coming out in December. Pikmin 3 is out and hasn't helped move units because its so niche. Same will probably happen to Wonderful 101 with the lack of marketing for that game. Any other WiiU game worth mentioning is coming out in the next few months of 2013 or in Spring of 2014(with no actual release dates set so I'd be wary of any Spring releases.

I think the Wii U's dry spell of games that people want to buy is going to last longer than people anticipate.

I believe this video is entirely accurate.


I always use this comparison when it comes to Nintendo's consoles. The DS was Nintendo's PS2, it's made them ridiculous money and is still their best selling system, will they achieve such a thing again is more than likely no. The Wii was their PS1, shaky (no pun intended) and underpowered when compared to it's competition, but in the end it managed to make the most money for them (it's passed 100 million, making it the most sold Nintendo home console of all the company's history). The Wii U is their PS3, has a bunch of new things in it and is kinda pricy for the better model, but it is suffering from a dry spell of games and as a result they'll take a huge hit for the first 2-2 and a half years before the system gets a decent library that people want. Hell even if 3rd parties were to flock to it like crazy it still probably wouldn't help as much because Nintendo spent more time marketing the tablet than the actual console itself.
Heck every commercial that Nintendo had before when showing off the Wii U games have just been showing the controller and not the actual console itself. Of course Nintendo has acknowledge this fault on their marketing strategy though and are trying to tell people that the Wii U is not just a tablet.

One big thing that was a bummer for me was when I found out that the Wii U doesn't support GameCube games naturally, there's a way around it if you install the Nintendon't app on the Wii menu apparently, which made me sad.

Hell I'll admit, I actually got a Wii within the first year of it's launch and I got myself a few games that had come out. The last game I had purchased for the console was Mario Kart Wii, and that was the last game I bought because nothing else interested me since the ratio of shovelware to good games was not good. It wasn't until I later imported Unlimited Cruise Episode 1 and 2 that my Wii started getting some use, plus helped that the Freeloader disc still worked on my system. Then by around 2010 there were games that were coming out that I actually did want, but unfortunately I would have had to update my Wii and lose out on playing Unlimited Cruise 1 and 2, something I wasn't gonna give up.

Now that I've bought a Wii U I can use it more for the Wii games I always wanted, so to make a long story short never buy a console at launch.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I want to say I'm happy about Bayonetta 2 being Wii U exclusive but I never played the original so I can't really admit to being excited. I'm excited in that the Wii U is getting something exclusive that isn't a Nintendo sequel so there's that. Bayonetta looked alright and I'm going to play it eventually...just haven't played it yet. Same will probably be the case for B2: I don't think I'll grab the thing on day, week or even month 1 though.

 

[Ishal]

I just can't care... it looks fun, and Platinum put themselves on my radar with Metal Gear Rising... but eh... Bayonetta?

It's Devil May Cry with a chick and J pop/rock tracks in the game. Yet another instance of the Japanese taking concepts from Judeo-Christian mythology and warping them to be hideous monsters to be slashed apart. They seem to love that, and thats okay. I thought some of the stuff looked cool, just seems like its been done to death. I've seen the concept art and trailers for B2, and watched Bayonetta on some lets plays... its just meh... I can't get into it. It's one of those things where I don't even wish I was interested.

 

[Strain42]

Isn't the fact that it's exclusive to the Wii U basically the only reason it exists in the first place? I heard a lot of publishers and such weren't exactly chomping at the bit to make Bayonetta 2 happen.

So yeah, with the way things worked out, it was either Wii U exclusive or not exist at all. I'm not even a Bayonetta fan and I know I'd take the former here.

Of course that's just what I read, dunno how true it is.

Lotta people hate exclusives, I love 'em. They're usually one of the biggest factors in helping me decide that console to buy. Without exclusives, we'd only really need one console (which may not be a bad thing, actually)

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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1)Super Mario Galaxy selling 8 million on a console that had tens of millions sold is not that big a deal jeffers. Especially considering it was also the oasis in a Wii game launch drought. The WiiU only has 3.6 million units out so comparatively you bringing up SMB Galaxy is irrelevant. Consoles need to move for massive sales and all the games leading of the Super Mario 3D Land are not going to rake in another 5 million WiiU sales. Guaranteed.

2)Pikmin 3 got knocked off to #15 after only a week in the UK:
http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/05/minec...as-pikmin-3-crashes-out-of-uk-top-10-3911632/.

The also fell pretty hard in Japan after its first week. SO I doubt WiiUnits are moving due to it. That's just how niche titles work for the most part. Everyone who's going to buy it does so in the first week. Everyone else waits for reviews/word of mouth or isn't interested because the game was niche or had next to no marketing.

3)You can talk about "sales giants" all you want, but when the console only has 3.6 million units out you're really just riding the high of a previous generation's success. DK may be a high seller, but will it move WiiUnits? I doubt it. DK's not known for selling consoles. That's LoZ, Pokemon, and Mario territory. Same goes for Sonic these days.

4)To your list of games I should clarify, there is a dry spell of games that will more WiiUnits until Super Mario 3D Land arrives.

W101- niche title so it'll probably perform like Pikmin 3. Won't sell WiiUnits

Pikmin 3- out, and sales fell massively after week 1 in the UK. Won't move WiiUnits

Sonic Worlds- won't move units. Will sell software in high amounts.

DK- Same as above

Rayman Legends- not an exclusive and will probably sell more on other consoles just as Rayman Origins did when it was on the Wii.

Wii Fit U and Wii Party U- the install base is significantly smaller and the "Wii" series of games was always for casuals. Casuals that didn't but the WiiU.

Yeah, in terms of system movers, keep the KY ready. It's going to be a dry season for a while.

Also, referencing niche titles and franchises that sell millions in the same breath doesn't really paint a picture of the WiiU selling units. In my opinion it reminds me of the many niche titles that flopped on the Wii and has me thinking that they'll meet the same fate on the WiiU.

Masumara:The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 2, Zack and Wiki, MadWorld, and plenty of others were put on the Wii. All of them flopped. Its nothing new for 3rd party niche titles to flop on Nintendo consoles. Even the Gamecube had this problem. With companies like Capcom giving the GC Gotcha Force and other big companies trying to make a dent in sales with the Gamecube. And let's not forget the failure that was the "Capcom Five".

My point is that if 3rd party titles have been Nintendo's major weak spot for almost 13 years and two console generations, I'm not confident in Bayonetta 2 or Wonderful 101 selling consoles.

 

[Miss G.]

I'm more pissed off about what Kingdom Hearts did. Bayonetta had no choice. Nintendo threw it a bone from where I'm standing.

Kingdom hearts put their stupid 'mid-sequel/prequel' stories on ALL DIFFERENT HANDHELDS. For no other reason than a money grab.

Very unfair. And yes the stories will MOST LIKELY (if the 2nd installment creates the pattern) be very very integral to understanding what is going on in Kingdom Hearts 3. Awesome.

It didn't seem so much like a money grab to me, but that may be because I had those handhelds for other games before those installments came out and it was just a nice bonus that I was already set to play them. Just as I bought a Vita solely for Persona 4 Golden, anything else I like that comes out for it is just icing on the cake, I'll either buy/ask for Christmas a WiiU just for X, Art Studio, and Bayonetta 2.

 

[Charli]

I'm more pissed off about what Kingdom Hearts did. Bayonetta had no choice. Nintendo threw it a bone from where I'm standing.

Kingdom hearts put their stupid 'mid-sequel/prequel' stories on ALL DIFFERENT HANDHELDS. For no other reason than a money grab.

Very unfair. And yes the stories will MOST LIKELY (if the 2nd installment creates the pattern) be very very integral to understanding what is going on in Kingdom Hearts 3. Awesome.

It didn't seem so much like a money grab to me, but that may be because I had those handhelds for other games before those installments came out and it was just a nice bonus that I was already set to play them. Just as I bought a Vita solely for Persona 4 Golden, anything else I like that comes out for it is just icing on the cake, I'll either buy/ask for Christmas a WiiU just for X, Art Studio, and Bayonetta 2.

You have/had all the handhelds... and you don't see a problem with that? I'll with-hold any other comments but I will say that not everyone is quite as fortunate as you.

It's extremely disheartening to those who bought into a console for a specific franchise. Kingdom hearts is a franchise, a multi-parter funded by Square Enix and DISNEY, putting one part on PSP, one on Mobile, one on 3DS and then expecting the next part to sail through on XBOX and PS4? ...That's really skeezy.

Bayonetta is/was a one off, so there isn't quite as much fan investment there and to an underfunded studio you have to go where the money is, and Nintendo threw money their way.

 

[lunavixen]

I'm going to sound like a bit of an ass but yes there is something you want on it. You just said it. There is nothing on the Wii U now I will agree. Still in the next 2 years there is going to be plenty on the Wii U.

Nothing in the release schedule OTHER than Bayonetta 2 interests me and there is nothing out NOW that I want, because most of the games I want are coming out on other platforms as well and i'm not forking out $350 for a console just so I can get 1 game, the point of my post was that I only want 1 game, and because I'm not getting the console, i'm not getting the game and they're losing 2 sales.

 

[Kotaro]

I don't care what system it's on. I fucking love Bayonetta and I'll be buying a Wii U just to play it. No other hack and slash game comes even close to being as good as Bayonetta.

Yeeep. Bayonetta is one of my favorite action games ever (right up there with the Devil May Cry series) and I'm down with buying a Wii-U once it comes out. Admittedly, there are a couple other games on the Wii-U that I want, but Bayonetta 2 is the big one for me.
As for exclusivity, if that's what it takes to make the game happen, then it's a small price to pay. And Nintendo seems to be doing right by it, so I'm all for this.

 

[Miss G.]

I'm more pissed off about what Kingdom Hearts did. Bayonetta had no choice. Nintendo threw it a bone from where I'm standing.

Kingdom hearts put their stupid 'mid-sequel/prequel' stories on ALL DIFFERENT HANDHELDS. For no other reason than a money grab.

Very unfair. And yes the stories will MOST LIKELY (if the 2nd installment creates the pattern) be very very integral to understanding what is going on in Kingdom Hearts 3. Awesome.

It didn't seem so much like a money grab to me, but that may be because I had those handhelds for other games before those installments came out and it was just a nice bonus that I was already set to play them. Just as I bought a Vita solely for Persona 4 Golden, anything else I like that comes out for it is just icing on the cake, I'll either buy/ask for Christmas a WiiU just for X, Art Studio, and Bayonetta 2.

You have/had all the handhelds... and you don't see a problem with that? I'll with-hold any other comments but I will say that not everyone is quite as fortunate as you.

It's extremely disheartening to those who bought into a console for a specific franchise. Kingdom hearts is a franchise, a multi-parter funded by Square Enix and DISNEY, putting one part on PSP, one on Mobile, one on 3DS and then expecting the next part to sail through on XBOX and PS4? ...That's really skeezy.

Bayonetta is/was a one off, so there isn't quite as much fan investment there and to an underfunded studio you have to go where the money is, and Nintendo threw money their way.

I don't buy into handhelds/consoles for franchises; I get them for specific genres, so for me, its 'have JRPGs, will buy'. Since that leaves me with Sony and Nintendo anyway I just enjoy what comes out for them if/when they come out for them. Skeezy, to me, is what Square did with FF: All The Bravest or the fact (as of yet) that I can't 'catch 'em all'.

Yes, some of my financial situation is due to being fortunate, but I'm not made of cash and while I'm currently awaiting October for graduation and phone calls for job interviews, I just try to be smart with my money and trade in things (that I keep in pristine condition) when the trade-in deals are really good to get the best possible value for what I buy. Before, the summer job I worked at when I was 14 up to 20 guaranteed $600-800 for the annual month that they have summer students and I would save that up along with my birthday+Christmas money to buy games once we started shopping in America for electronics and stuff thats normally too pricey back in our country. This would happen maybe once a year since 2007, otherwise, since I'm still a dependent which is normal back home, I don't really buy anything more than the occasional McDonald's or pizza delivery.

When I'm truly done with a handheld/console, which can take until games for them are no longer being made in the case of my PS2, I trade it and its games in for an upgrade. Doing this I was able to get my PS2 for $15 refurbished summer 2009, Christmas 2011, I did the same and got my PS3 for $36 new, and in April 2012 a 3DS for $100something new because Gamestop ProMember discount and a pristine 3 year old DS Lite trade-in. My purchases are thus quite affordable (and spread out 1-4 years apart), considering what these things actually cost, and doesn't cost daddy anything extra since its my saved up money and stuff. That leaves me with more than enough for games, which I normally buy Used, since if I get good grades I could ask for new copies from my parents who got me into gaming in the first place.

 

[TrevHead]

It's good that Bayo 2 is out in 2014 after many of Nintendo's big hitters are out, as anything before is just asking to be a flop.

As for the OPs question, I'm glad since the game wouldn't exist without Ninty. I don't mind about the exclusivity since after been a PC only gamer from 2000 to 2010/11 I've missed out on alot of Japanese console games, and bought a 360 instead of a PS3 was to play the best version of Bayonetta 1 and for the exclusive CAVE shmups. Bayo 2, Lost World and backwards compatibility are the reasons I'll be buying a WiiU when I can afford it.

I'm also glad that I'll be buying a console that isn't all about guns and headshots, I'm actually looking forward to been a part of such an online community since I absolutely hated the 360 community online due to all they played were Gears, CoD & Fifa.