Poll: Best Star Trek Ever? Star Trek Voyager
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Well Voyager was the Star Trek of my generation, that is to say it was on every day on Sky 1 when I came home from Primary School. I've only seen The Next Generation and Voyager, so I'm pretty much a new fan.
My opinion (Enterprise) is very biased as I've seen all seasons of Enterprise and only one Voyager, half a TNG and no OS or DS9 at all.
That said, I do like most of Enterprise better than what I have seen. The start of TNG (first half of season 1, at least) seems very sucky to me (mostly because I dislike the old special effects and stuff) though I think I'll probably end up liking the later seasons more than Enterprise, if I ever get there. The OS are probably even worse than S1 of TNG so I'm not even going to try that, and DS9 just doesn't seem my cup of tea - what I like about Star Trek is the exploring and stuff. The 'soap-thing' just doesn't cut it for me.
That said, I do like most of Enterprise better than what I have seen. The start of TNG (first half of season 1, at least) seems very sucky to me (mostly because I dislike the old special effects and stuff) though I think I'll probably end up liking the later seasons more than Enterprise, if I ever get there. The OS are probably even worse than S1 of TNG so I'm not even going to try that, and DS9 just doesn't seem my cup of tea - what I like about Star Trek is the exploring and stuff. The 'soap-thing' just doesn't cut it for me.
I'm a massive Voyager fan, I know a lot of star trek fans concider it the worst series but in my opinion it was pretty awesome. Janeway is an awesome character and Seven of Nine even though she starts out as just "something for the guys" she develops into a meaningful character. Oh and The Doctor is l33t! Hehe.
In order:
Voyager --> TOS --> Next Gen --> DS9 --> Enterprise
Just my opinion but there you go
In order:
Voyager --> TOS --> Next Gen --> DS9 --> Enterprise
Just my opinion but there you go
Technically, she didn't get lost, they new exactly where they were and they knew how to get home besides the same joke was done much better in Star Trek Generations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLSJzOzNVfc&feature=related
Look who is at the helm when the ship crashes in to the planet.
DS9 - it was the only one with believable characters imho.
The 'good' people still acted like people, ie. fallable with character flaws - anger, jealousy, dislike of others, etc
In all the others (I'm looking at you TNG) to some extent the people seem like paragons of virtue and never put a foot wrong.
Yet in DS9
compare that with TNG/TOS where they always do the right thing and the right thing is clear cut and obvious.
The 'good' people still acted like people, ie. fallable with character flaws - anger, jealousy, dislike of others, etc
In all the others (I'm looking at you TNG) to some extent the people seem like paragons of virtue and never put a foot wrong.
Yet in DS9
sisko uses biogenic (doomsday) weapons on inhabited planets, he becomes entirely focussed on revenge against Eddington for his betrayal
Kira regularly fights against the Kai because she doesn't trust her.
Kira regularly fights against the Kai because she doesn't trust her.
compare that with TNG/TOS where they always do the right thing and the right thing is clear cut and obvious.
ToS had William Shatner and Ricardo Montalban... nothing can touch that. With acting that bad, it's somehow good. The others were good but took themselves too seriously; case in point DS9 which was supposed to be all about political intrigue and ended up being the most boring of the lot.
Voyager tossed out two or three dozen too many "this alien/technology will get us home, but oh no, there's a moral caveat!" episodes (though when getting home wasn't the stakes, the crew's morality becomes more flexible for some reason), and two or three hundred too many "oh no, aliens took over our ship!" episodes. Combined with a very two-dimensional crew (save for The Doctor), this show almost ruined Star Trek for me. (Then Enterprise and Nemesis came along and finished the job.)
TNG and DS9, both different, both very good. Both have an excellent cast as well being linked through support cast turning into main cast giving the feel of continuation. TNG is however my favorite if I had to choose one above the other. Both Data and Dax(Jadzia) get my vote for 'big damn heroes'.
Voyager is mostly bad, it has some good and some bad (very very bad) episodes and plots. The final episodes are the worst and they ruined any hope for a series beyond voyager. Perfect example why time-travelling ruines star trek whether movie or series. I dislike Janeway the most of all characters.
TOS has one element against it. The fact that Gene never got the funds he needed or even deserved.
Enterprise...*shiver*. After 'Carbon Creek' (second episode of season two) I stopped watching. Till this day haven't seen any other episode and I most likely never will.
I heard and read that the story arc goes further into some kind of temporal war. Again time-travelling. *sighs*
All in all I think Star trek is what it is because it has something for everyone. A shame they took a franchise that had so much and remodelled it to be nothing more then a 'pew pew' series.
"The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!" - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Voyager is mostly bad, it has some good and some bad (very very bad) episodes and plots. The final episodes are the worst and they ruined any hope for a series beyond voyager. Perfect example why time-travelling ruines star trek whether movie or series. I dislike Janeway the most of all characters.
TOS has one element against it. The fact that Gene never got the funds he needed or even deserved.
Enterprise...*shiver*. After 'Carbon Creek' (second episode of season two) I stopped watching. Till this day haven't seen any other episode and I most likely never will.
I heard and read that the story arc goes further into some kind of temporal war. Again time-travelling. *sighs*
All in all I think Star trek is what it is because it has something for everyone. A shame they took a franchise that had so much and remodelled it to be nothing more then a 'pew pew' series.
"The line must be drawn here! This far and no further!" - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
I agree with you. Enterprise and Nemesis did what so many hoped would/could never happen.Richard Hannay said:
And the Doctor made Voyager bearable.
The Next Generation, no question about it. There were elements in the other series that were great, but none of them had Patrick Stewart, ergo they are automatically disqualified.
Science fact.
Science fact.
Hmm. Incredibly hard for me to answer.
I can say for sure that it is not Enterprise which I found to be utter shite and it was not what I wanted the early days of Starfleet exploration to be (I had more of a Das Boot type image in my head and wanted the ship to be far more industrial) plus the bullshit title song, plus the bullshit gel that they had half naked characters rubbing in to each other after missions. Such shit.
I give TOS a respectful nod - it did not have the budget but what the Great Bird of the Galaxy did was amazing and ground breaking for its day and while some of the episodes are pure cheese, there are still some that are splendid Sci Fi. I have to salute it for being completely iconic.
TNG, in my mind, came out of the blocks with a dodgy first season. And much of the second season clearly suffered from a writer's strike at the time. I would not bother watching any of the first two seasons again. Later on it did hit its stride (and then fell on its ass with some of the movies). It was good sci fi but I don't know that as an entire entity I would rank it as great. Picard and Data were stellar. Troi was rubbish till they let Marina Sirtis put a proper uniform on and Crusher was pretty bland.
In contrast I do consider the first season of DS9 to contain some of its best episodes. There is a superb "bottle show" where Kira is interrogating a suspected war criminal (called "Duet") and the writing and performance was fan bloody tastic But I did get pissed a bit when Worf came on board because he took time and plot away from Kira and Odo who were my favourites. I liked that there was conflict and I liked the story arc (but then I also adore seasons 1-4 of Babylon 5 and all of BSG). I didn't like the Dax replacement (and the true story behind that leaves a nasty flavour) and I didn't like the pairing of Odo and Kira at all or the marriage of Worf and Jadzia - don't much care for soap in my sci fi.
Voyager began with some interesting concepts and I do like Janeway as a Captain. To my mind it got powerful when 7of9 came aboard because there was this new conflict that I had expected to see between Maquis and Starfleet and been disappointed to find was not present. Yes Jeri Ryan as 7 is some nice eye candy (oddly, Jeri Ryan does little for me out of character) but there were some strong stories there. I liked that it had a proper ending (something I have never forgiven Quantum Leap for) although thought that who 7 ended up with was bullshit, utter utter bullshit. She should have ended up with Janeway =D
Each series for me has an "it is good but I wish X was different". And they appealed in different ways that I sometimes feel that the Star Trek lexicon/artwork/franchise is one of the only things that they have in common.
In terms of re-watch and thus faourites I guess I would go with DS9, then seasons 4-end of Voyager, then TNG and then TOS.
I can say for sure that it is not Enterprise which I found to be utter shite and it was not what I wanted the early days of Starfleet exploration to be (I had more of a Das Boot type image in my head and wanted the ship to be far more industrial) plus the bullshit title song, plus the bullshit gel that they had half naked characters rubbing in to each other after missions. Such shit.
I give TOS a respectful nod - it did not have the budget but what the Great Bird of the Galaxy did was amazing and ground breaking for its day and while some of the episodes are pure cheese, there are still some that are splendid Sci Fi. I have to salute it for being completely iconic.
TNG, in my mind, came out of the blocks with a dodgy first season. And much of the second season clearly suffered from a writer's strike at the time. I would not bother watching any of the first two seasons again. Later on it did hit its stride (and then fell on its ass with some of the movies). It was good sci fi but I don't know that as an entire entity I would rank it as great. Picard and Data were stellar. Troi was rubbish till they let Marina Sirtis put a proper uniform on and Crusher was pretty bland.
In contrast I do consider the first season of DS9 to contain some of its best episodes. There is a superb "bottle show" where Kira is interrogating a suspected war criminal (called "Duet") and the writing and performance was fan bloody tastic
But I did get pissed a bit when Worf came on board because he took time and plot away from Kira and Odo who were my favourites. I liked that there was conflict and I liked the story arc (but then I also adore seasons 1-4 of Babylon 5 and all of BSG). I didn't like the Dax replacement (and the true story behind that leaves a nasty flavour) and I didn't like the pairing of Odo and Kira at all or the marriage of Worf and Jadzia - don't much care for soap in my sci fi.Voyager began with some interesting concepts and I do like Janeway as a Captain. To my mind it got powerful when 7of9 came aboard because there was this new conflict that I had expected to see between Maquis and Starfleet and been disappointed to find was not present. Yes Jeri Ryan as 7 is some nice eye candy (oddly, Jeri Ryan does little for me out of character) but there were some strong stories there. I liked that it had a proper ending (something I have never forgiven Quantum Leap for) although thought that who 7 ended up with was bullshit, utter utter bullshit. She should have ended up with Janeway =D
Each series for me has an "it is good but I wish X was different". And they appealed in different ways that I sometimes feel that the Star Trek lexicon/artwork/franchise is one of the only things that they have in common.
In terms of re-watch and thus faourites I guess I would go with DS9, then seasons 4-end of Voyager, then TNG and then TOS.
I know almost everyone hates it, but personally, I think that "Dr. Samuel Beckett never returned home" is among the most powerful and tragic phrases ever printed on a black screen.Valksy said: