Poll: Bethesda or Interplay?
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So you'd rather have the IP in the hands of someone who refuses to do anything with it instead of in the hands of someone who is actually actively adding to the franchise?rhizhim said:
I hate this argument simply because of a very basic counter-argument:tanis1lionheart said:
The Elder Scrolls series is a great RPG series in most role-playing gamers' minds, right? Swap out offensive magic/bows for guns, MP/arrows for ammo, and Fallout could be considered the sister series to TES at this point. So, if Elder Scrolls is good, and Fallout follows it's example and is a good series under Bethsoft's direction as well, there's no problem.
Seriously, think before using the "Oblivion with guns" argument, please.
If your asking who do I like better as a company That would pretty easily be Bethesda. While Interplay distributed two of my most played games ( Rock and roll racing and Descent) Bethesda simply makes more and better overall games now.
Now if this is a question about fallout and the fallout MMO? Im siding with interplay. Not that I think Interplays incarnation of fallout was better than Bethesda, But I still resent fallout being made as basically a mod over top of oblivion and inheriting Bethesda s horrible "Lets make every useless piece of trash possible to pick up so you cant even turn around without inadvertently picking up something NOONE, anywhere , evar would want".
Also I think even though Interplay will not make a good game (or MMO for that matter) Its still their intellectual property. Bethesda acted in bad faith by trying to forcibly take the IP over even though the agreement still had time to pan out for interplay, then the overly dick move of trying to deny interplay the ability to use elements of the Intellectual property. Did Interplay sue for breach when fallout 3 used certain concepts that went along with the IP? No, and because of that Bethesda should back the hell off, let interplay build their MMO how they intend until they fail. Either that or completely revert the IP back to Interplays control until they fold again and have to resell the IP and do so in a much more ironclad contract.
Now if this is a question about fallout and the fallout MMO? Im siding with interplay. Not that I think Interplays incarnation of fallout was better than Bethesda, But I still resent fallout being made as basically a mod over top of oblivion and inheriting Bethesda s horrible "Lets make every useless piece of trash possible to pick up so you cant even turn around without inadvertently picking up something NOONE, anywhere , evar would want".
Also I think even though Interplay will not make a good game (or MMO for that matter) Its still their intellectual property. Bethesda acted in bad faith by trying to forcibly take the IP over even though the agreement still had time to pan out for interplay, then the overly dick move of trying to deny interplay the ability to use elements of the Intellectual property. Did Interplay sue for breach when fallout 3 used certain concepts that went along with the IP? No, and because of that Bethesda should back the hell off, let interplay build their MMO how they intend until they fail. Either that or completely revert the IP back to Interplays control until they fold again and have to resell the IP and do so in a much more ironclad contract.
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Minus the whole 'TES has no balls or sense of humor'TLS14 said:
and 'TES game play has always been fairly weak'
& 'FP/TP vs Bird's-Eye-View'
and 'turn-based vs non-turn based'
and...O, wait...woops, too much?
FO1/2/T were all solid games with a fantastic sense of humor and game play.
Hell, you could even shoot up kids, for whatever reason, if you wanted to.
FO3/NV aren't 'bad' games, but they don't have the same 'umph' that the originals had for me.
It's like comparing Serious Sam to Call of Duty.
Both are fine games, but only one of them will I come back to playing 20 years from now.
I liked the first two Fallouts way more than the later ones BUT Interplay released Brotherhood of Steel which look like a total shitty game. Fallout 3 was fun even though it wasn't nearly as good as the first two. Fallout New Vegas comes close to being as good as the first two to me and Bethesda even had Obsidian make it when some of the people at Obsidian worked on Fallout 2! If anything, it seems to me that Bethesda has more respect for the franchise. Interplay seems to be a pretty crappy publisher actually for a long while, I think the only reason why they released such RPG greats as Planescape: Torment and fallout is because the company was so poorly run. (especially the former even though it is awesome, the game is mostly reading. I mean what publisher even back in like 1999 or 2000 would release a game like that.)
Out of the currently existing companies Obsidian should have it but like I said they developed New Vegas anyway. Out of past companies Troika or Black Isle should have it, but those companies were no more for a while now.
Out of the currently existing companies Obsidian should have it but like I said they developed New Vegas anyway. Out of past companies Troika or Black Isle should have it, but those companies were no more for a while now.
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I agree when it comes to the sense of humor, but I personally love TES' gameplay. It's a great series if you actually try to immerse yourself in the world and play the role of your character as you have imagined him/her to be. You know, basically why RPGs are named what they are.
Isometric vs. first/third boils down to your own personal preference. I didn't grow up with the originals, but I can still appreciate how they play. My introduction to Fallout was with Fallout 3, so I'm more partial to the newer gameplay style, but to each his own, you know?
For these, I actually have 2 solutions. For the sense of humor, look up Old World Blues. The AI-controlled appliances, along with the Stealth Suit Mk II that you get during the DLC, all have a distinct personality that is exaggerated to the point of being gut-bustingly funny.
As for the kid killing, there are various mods for that purpose at Fallout 3 Nexus [http://www.fallout3nexus.com/] or Fallout New Vegas Nexus [http://www.newvegasnexus.com/], depending on the game you want to mod.
I can agree with that. Series change over time. I'm a long-time Sonic fan, so how do you think I feel when I see my series lose the charm that I loved about the originals? I still play the newer games, but I prefer the older games, so I know where you're coming from with this point.
I can see where you're coming from on most points, but I just have to give some closure to my thoughts. If Van Buren had seen the light of day back in the mid '00s, Fallout wouldn't have near as many fans as it does now. Like them or not, you have to admit that Fallout 3 and New Vegas brought a new generation of fans to the series. Fans who, like I had, will probably go back and play the originals to see where the series started.
While I love the old games for their charm, story, and gameplay, the newer games entice me more because they were my introduction to the series. To go to a new (or old, depending on how you look at it) type of Fallout can be a bit disorienting and frightening if it's not what you're used to. I am an old-school RPGer by nature, but I still embrace the newer style of game because the atmosphere, some of the humor, and the backstory that I love about the Fallout series, are still very prevalent.
I hope you understand my feelings on the matter.
Wow..."Snipped to keep this short", huh? I must say I'm a lot more passionate about Fallout than I initially thought.
EDIT: This would have made an epic 300th post. Damn my nature of not planning ahead.
This poll is pointless: this site is full to the brim of Bethesda fans who would defend the company to their dying breath (and would probably find a way to praise and brown nose the company from beyond the grave), and believe that the company is god's ultimate gift to gaming. Of COURSE they are going to win by a wide margin, regardless of what the poll is. You could make a poll about whether or not people would prefer Bethesda to a lifetime supply of gourmet food and wonderful sex, and Bethesda would still take at least 60% of the votes.
So, I find this thread silly, since the answer is clear before you even made the poll.
So, I find this thread silly, since the answer is clear before you even made the poll.
If you can get me gourmet food and wonderful sex for the rest of my life, I'll personally mail Bethesda a picture of me shitting on whatever Fallout picture you chose. Fact.Stall said:
Interplay is full of bullshit tactics. According to the contract Bethesda owns full rights to the game. Interplay just wants it cash cow back that someone else made a name with. The only thing this is going to do is halt Bethesda from releasing another Fallout title until this situation get settled.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1057232/000117091807000324/0001170918-07-000324.txt
That is the 8-K reports that states Bethesda own Fallout IP, and they are allowing Interplay to make an MMO. Interplay needs to just quit crying.
Also to add Bethesda didn't state that Interplay couldn't use any assets until they found out that the game was going to go completely against the Fallout 3 canon, and try to undermind Bethesda work, which there is actually a clause for in the agreement made when Bethesda purchased the IP.
Well Interplay has been on their deathbed for a while now, they don't have the resources (or i suspect, enthusiasm) to make a AAA game anymore.
Just for that reason, i lean towards Bethesda in this matter, even if it'd be just to save the world from a fallout-turd...
Hey, i have a reason to link this now! haha, and keep in mind this is from 2004, they were already in deep shit then...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/7/2/
Just for that reason, i lean towards Bethesda in this matter, even if it'd be just to save the world from a fallout-turd...
Hey, i have a reason to link this now! haha, and keep in mind this is from 2004, they were already in deep shit then...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/7/2/
No,no, there's still like 20 or so guys there, they've been keeping themselves afloat the last few years by *drumroll* selling the Fallout IP to Bethesda haha...ToTaL LoLiGe said:
That was what ? a year or two after the SEC banged them senseless for not paying their employees and stuff, so yeah, it's been a peachy last 10-12 years for Interplay.
Making my point once more, they're not what they were, they can't make a good AAA game today, the only thing left is old "visionaries" that dream of how great interplay used to be, maybe sprinkled with a few juniors making their bones in the industry.The real talent has left long ago, and most of it was with Black Isle anyways...
I can't get into the original fallouts. The first one has some pretty broken scripting such that certain skills/builds are useless (like a sneaking build). Bethesda does it's open world thing VERY well; and transposing the fallout universe on that mold was fucking genius. My vote goes to Bethesda.
