Poll: Black Mesa v. Aperture Science

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PurpleRain

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Ok, let's put some things into prospective here:
You're dead. Sure, some escaped Black Mesa, but it was such a small handful you will most likely be one of the corpses. So it comes down to the choice of 'do you want to die in fear or be gassed obliviously?' Black Mesa you has soldiers and assassins gunning for you as well as aliens and the places collapsing around you. Aperture you only had one little problem of poison.

I go Aperture even though Black Mesa did have waaaay better projects and experiments to work on.
 

Therumancer

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Okay a couple of comments on this ultra-nerd discussion:

Looking at the evidence in Portal I'm pretty willing to accept that GlaDOS killed all those people. I don't think there is any doubt about that. Indeed looking at some of the dirctor's comments about the red phone with the cut cord and such (a safety protocol for just this kind of thing that failed) it's pretty obvious that there was a crisis, and that what's more people knew what was going on as it happened since they tried to stop it and even install that morality core thing which apparently had no effect.

The big question to me here was whether or not GlaDOS killed all of the AS people or not. I am guessing going by the epilogue/song that the case is 'no'. I'm thinking AS was ultimatly running an experiment. Perhaps to test GlaDOS as a weapon by assigning "her" to kill all of the people they sent to the building, and to see if anyone could defeat the AI or if it had been perfected. "Bring Your Daughter To Work" day could very well have been a way of simply obtaining more targets, as well as creating a sense of jeopardy for the scentists in the building to try even harder to stop the AI as if it was combat conditions.

Thus there might very well be a board of directors (and perhaps a certain infamously insane CEO) in the backround somewhere whom GlaDOS is answering to. The lyrics making it clear that not only was GlaDOS not killed, but that "she" is still developing more science both doing tests on, and working in the intrests of those who are still alive (seemingly implied as two seperate groups).

How it all ties together is a big unknown, however my gut feeling has sort of been along the lines of AS killing it's own people. Either that or given the legendary insanity of the AS founder (backround about his 'take a wish' foundation and such) and his goverment backing due to the basic portal technology, that perhaps the goverment tampered with GlaDOS (which was pimped to differant groups for things like a sewer management program, that doubled as a disk operating system or whatever) to basically wipe out AS and get direct control of the technology.

Of course no theory works perfectly given the obvious condition of the world. The only ones who know for sure, are of course Valve. It's quite possible (very probable for that matter) that they never came up with a clear answer themselves, and will be making it up as they go along for the sequel. The apparent depth disguising the fact that it was never created with an answer in mind given the experimental nature of the game (which was a smashing success).

For example I was reading that the whole "cake" thing started when Valve were wondering what kind of underlying philsophy they should write into the game, and after a bit of silence someone mentioned "well a lot of people like cake". If that story is true, it does imply that they were probably winging a lot of it, and figured that if the game existed people like me would go off on tangents like this one, and give them ideas on how to answer all the questions based on trying to guess what they were thinking.

>>>----Therumancer--->
 

Silver

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Yeah, that's the obvious answer. But we don't KNOW. That's just the thing. With Black Mesa we KNOW we'd all die horribly. And we wouldn't get to oogle Alyx before we went. With Aperture, we don't. However slim a chance it may be, we could still be alive, in our little cells, ready to be trained in the use of Portal guns into great warriors. Canonically, Chell didn't die. Canonically we don't know if she actually ever would (yes, we died when we played, but we don't know if GlaDOS wouldn't turn off the fire, or if the turrets didn't really just fired tranquilizers).

My point is, there's a chance. There's a chance we'll live to fight another day, and we'll look damn good doing it. Sure, a cool squad of people from Black Mesa with a gravity gun (singular) would be neat. A co-ordinated squad of people highly trained in the use of portal guns? That's the kinda stuff that'll give the combine nightmares.
 

gabe2107

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Rezfon said:
I'd rather die from the deadly toxin then be eaten by a headcrab so aperture gets my vote
I would get mutated by a head crab so that it can kill more people.DONT WORRY.
 

Dr. Paine

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A) Aperture is located in my home state (Ohio FTW). B) They didn't usher in the apocalypse. C) GLADOS. That's all the reason I need.

And they have better slogans, equipment, and songs.

Ballad of Black Mesa has NOTHING on Still Alive.
 

apelsz

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Aperture Science, even AFTER GLaDOS went haywire. Yeah, I'm still thinking with Portals.
 

Dr. Paine

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apelsz said:
Aperture Science, even AFTER GLaDOS went haywire. Yeah, I'm still thinking with Portals.
I have to agree here xD If I had to be an ex-Black Mesa employee under Combine rule, or an Aperture subject, I'd pick subject in a heartbeat.
 

Shadowthewedgehog

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I would say black mesa, because you can hit headcrabs with crowbars, but it is a close call because if you look hard enough at aperture, you may find cake.
 

Dr. Paine

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olicon said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Well, in Black Mesa you did have to wear those ridiculous ties...

But in Aperture Laboratories, an insane computer slaughtered every parent on 'Bring your Daughter in to work' day and kept all the girls for 15 years.

Having been to a Catholic School before, I'll go with Black Mesa. Far less trouble.
So that's what happened with Aperture Science? I honestly didn't know that, because I never played portal. (Shame on me..I actually got my TF2 as a stand alone game!)
I'm intrigued. Now I really need to find out more about Portal's story.
That's more or less theory. GLaDOS WAS activated on the first annual Bring Your Daughter to Work Day, and a short time later (but not on that day), went haywire. As for the 15 years thing, given clues in the game, that's bogus. GLaDOS was completed sometime in the late 90's/very early 2000s (my guess is 2001). At the latest, Portal would take place in the '05-'08 bracket... maybesometime in 2010/11. But nowhere near long enough to grow kids like some think. Plus, the Rat Man dens show some signs that employees were used as subjects, not their kids. Which makes sense- if you wanted to test something like the Device, would you want to go with clueless teens, or adults who might have an inkling?
 

slipknot4

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I like both allot but i'll have to go with Aperture just because of their sociopathic view on humans and science.
 

Dr. Paine

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slipknot4 said:
I like both allot but i'll have to go with Aperture just because of their sociopathic view on humans and science.
I'd say it's more along the psychopathic. They (or at least, GLaDOS) seem to be perfectly aware of the dangers, but either don't divulge the information, don't care, or feign ignorance.
 

EqualNOpposite

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Being an aspiring lab scientist myself, I'd go for Black Mesa. They do more research, with a bigger budget, better quarters (did you see the cafeteria?!), and they seem to have a much higher quality of life for their workers:

1. security's highest priority is the safety of research staff (above their own lives!).

2. No crazy life-threatening test chamber sequences ending with an incinerator (yes, they did send personnel to Xen, which is HELLA dangerous, but those guys were equipped for the trip and most likely volunteered).

3. They seem to have a better retirement plan (see any Aperture personnel leading the resistance in HL2?).

The point is, portal was a cool game, but I would NEVER want to work there! Black Mesa became a hellhole after the cascade, but before that it seemed like a benign (if large) research facility.