Poll: Buying Used Games is just as Bad as Pirating
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EULA's have no legal value whatsoever and break them any way you like.HG131 said:
The reason for this is that you do not sign the EULA when you purchase the game, but rather you only get the opportunity to read it, *after* you bought the software. The EULA not something you willingly agreed to, but something that is forced upon you.
Possible exception is free trails, like 10-day WoW.
The reason you may not do certain things with software you bought, is not EULAs, but rather the LAWS in your country may have something to say about that.
To make it impossible for resale though creates a whole 'nother shitstorm I don't want to be a part of though. Property can be resold. Until it is strictly Software as a Service, there's no way that oen can argue that stealing is less bad than a company throwing away consumer rights that we enjoy for every other product in the world.
Necroposting?
This whole debate is silly. Piracy, trade and used games sales is something the gaming industry brought upon themselves. There is a piss-easy way to counter piracy; Cut the price of a game by 75% or so, and the developers would still make a killing. Valve did it with left 4 dead a good while ago, and earned 14 times more than they did at full price, due to the increase in sales.
It's the same with the music business. As long as you overcharge like crazy, there will be a large number of pirates.
Start selling fast-food for $50 a combo and you will see a drop in fast-food revenue, and a lot more people making their own burgers and fries when they crave them, even if you make it a crime to make burgers at home.
This whole debate is silly. Piracy, trade and used games sales is something the gaming industry brought upon themselves. There is a piss-easy way to counter piracy; Cut the price of a game by 75% or so, and the developers would still make a killing. Valve did it with left 4 dead a good while ago, and earned 14 times more than they did at full price, due to the increase in sales.
It's the same with the music business. As long as you overcharge like crazy, there will be a large number of pirates.
Start selling fast-food for $50 a combo and you will see a drop in fast-food revenue, and a lot more people making their own burgers and fries when they crave them, even if you make it a crime to make burgers at home.
In my opinion as long as they make some money (more than they spent) any amount of piracy is fine.Amnestic said:
I specifically buy games Used (unless it's a special title that I wish to pre-order) because of a loop-hole my friends and I found out about Gamestops and their return policy.
1. Buy a used game.
2. Play it.
3. Return it to Gamestop within at least 1 week to get full money back.
4. Pick a new game
5. Repeat (Especially for games you can't beat in 1 week)
6. ???
7. PROFIT!
Yeah, I'mma scumbag, but 60 bucks a game that usually lasts only a good 3-4 days is fuckin' ludicrous.
1. Buy a used game.
2. Play it.
3. Return it to Gamestop within at least 1 week to get full money back.
4. Pick a new game
5. Repeat (Especially for games you can't beat in 1 week)
6. ???
7. PROFIT!
Yeah, I'mma scumbag, but 60 bucks a game that usually lasts only a good 3-4 days is fuckin' ludicrous.
If I buy used, its cause its an old game I cant get anymore. I took advantage of that for N64 games...right as they stopped seeling N64 games used...bastards. (Still desires Ogre Battle 64)
Otherwise I buy new. I like completly owning it. No impurities, stll has the oh so grand new smell (which should be made into a perfume. Certainly would attract me some fellow nerds)
Otherwise I buy new. I like completly owning it. No impurities, stll has the oh so grand new smell (which should be made into a perfume. Certainly would attract me some fellow nerds)
No, because cars have a limited life, they are effectively a consumable - also if one person sells their car they usually buy a new one so that offsets the second hand sale. A computer game can last practically for ever (in economic terms) and could be owned by hundreds of owners with not a penny going to the devs.Amnestic said:
i usually only buy used games, here in australia (town i live in anyway) its actually better.
comparison between games
new:
- anywhere from 2 to 3 times as much for me to get it as it is in america (after converting)
- 1 month scratch protection +$5AUD
- 1 weeks return
pre-owned:
- cheaper by $5-$10
- %10 discount off that already
- 1 years scratch protection +$3
- 1 weeks return
- if its no on sale when you want it, its gonna be within a month (generally)
- 95% of the time, limited editions will still be selling 6 months later and often preowned and on-sale
i also wanted to quickly show you something to backup my claims that its too expensive over here
halo reach in australia: $118AUD (approx. $103USD)
halo reach in america: $60USD
same game, different store, any future console i get, ill have to buy from america and ship the games over.
must be as Yahtzee Croshaw (zero punctuation) said, "the better beaches tax"
comparison between games
new:
- anywhere from 2 to 3 times as much for me to get it as it is in america (after converting)
- 1 month scratch protection +$5AUD
- 1 weeks return
pre-owned:
- cheaper by $5-$10
- %10 discount off that already
- 1 years scratch protection +$3
- 1 weeks return
- if its no on sale when you want it, its gonna be within a month (generally)
- 95% of the time, limited editions will still be selling 6 months later and often preowned and on-sale
i also wanted to quickly show you something to backup my claims that its too expensive over here
halo reach in australia: $118AUD (approx. $103USD)
halo reach in america: $60USD
same game, different store, any future console i get, ill have to buy from america and ship the games over.
must be as Yahtzee Croshaw (zero punctuation) said, "the better beaches tax"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA7FVHkS4to
Have fun explaining your theory in jail =]
Also, for giggles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
Have fun explaining your theory in jail =]
Also, for giggles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
Also, can people please stop complaining about the rise in game prices....
Yes, it's extortionate, yes we have a right to complain about the high prices, but only if you'll do the legwork to back your argument up. I distinctly remember PS1 games costing £50 when the console first came out, and My first SNES games were obscenely expensive too. It's not inflation, it's just the way it has always been.
Seriously people, it's a profitable industry, and we're never going to change that. Unfortunately
Yes, it's extortionate, yes we have a right to complain about the high prices, but only if you'll do the legwork to back your argument up. I distinctly remember PS1 games costing £50 when the console first came out, and My first SNES games were obscenely expensive too. It's not inflation, it's just the way it has always been.
Seriously people, it's a profitable industry, and we're never going to change that. Unfortunately
If the industry didn't want people to buy used games, why make them so expensive? If they allowed people to download their games at less than used prices (I've said it before, infinite supply means you can set prices as low as you want) they could cripple (and eventually destroy) the used game market.
But no, they're too stuck on their archaic business model. So I say let them froth and moan over lost income from used games.
But no, they're too stuck on their archaic business model. So I say let them froth and moan over lost income from used games.
But it is still a crime. And we can't really justify breaking that law just because.Amnestic said:
Look at it this way, if you were to invent a time machine, I'm guessing you woult want to decide who gets to use that time machine and who doesn't. I know I would want that atleast.
So if you where to invent a song or a game. Why shouldn't the same principle apply here?
I bought it I can sell it if I want. There is no law that says "If you but a consumer good you cannot at anytime sell that item because the person who made that it wont get a cut of the deal"
Once I pay money for something it is mine and if I want to break that item or give it away or sell it for $1 the creator of that item doesnt get a say after they have taken my money.
Second hand is just recycling re-using a resource instead of makig a new one. What good comes from having 200 unused games on your shelf? why not let other people enjoy those games?
Pirating is stealing / end of it just is
Selling something you own is not stealing!
Once I pay money for something it is mine and if I want to break that item or give it away or sell it for $1 the creator of that item doesnt get a say after they have taken my money.
Second hand is just recycling re-using a resource instead of makig a new one. What good comes from having 200 unused games on your shelf? why not let other people enjoy those games?
Pirating is stealing / end of it just is
Selling something you own is not stealing!