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California may ban gay teen 'conversion' therapy

By HANNAH DREIER, Associated Press ? 1 hour ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) ? A first-of-its-kind ban on a controversial form of psychotherapy aimed at making gay people straight is speeding through the California statehouse.

Supporters say the legislation, which passed its final Senate committee Tuesday, is necessary because such treatments are ineffective and harmful.

"This therapy can be dangerous," said the bill's author Sen. Ted Lieu. The Torrance Democrat added the treatments can "cause extreme depression and guilt" that sometimes leads to suicide.

Conservative religious groups emphatically reject that view of sexual orientation therapy and say the ban would interfere with parents' rights to seek appropriate psychological care for their children.

The bill would prohibit so-called reparative therapy for minors and obligate adults to sign a release form that states that the counseling is ineffectual and possibly dangerous.

Representatives of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality on Tuesday called the bill a piece of social engineering masquerading as a solution to a clinical problem.

David Pickup, who is registered with the California Board of Psychology, said a ban would prevent people from recovering from trauma of sexual abuse.

"Any therapist worth his salt knows that homosexual feelings commonly occur in victims as a result of abuses," he said. "I ought to know because I was one of those boys."

The debate comes as gay rights issues take the spotlight around the nation.

Over the weekend, Vice President Joe Biden said he is "absolutely comfortable" with same-sex couples getting the same rights as heterosexual couples.

In North Carolina on Tuesday, voters moved to define marriage as solely between a man and a woman. And in Colorado, a civil union bill faced a looming deadline in the state Legislature.

Conversion therapy penetrated the national consciousness last year when former Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann was questioned over whether her husband's Christian counseling business provided services that attempted to change gays and lesbians.

Interest in the religion-based therapy appears to have surged in recent years, sparking debates about whether sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic.

Exodus International, the world's largest Christian referral network dealing with homosexuality, now steers people to 260 groups across the country, up from about 100 a decade ago. The organization has 35 ministries and churches scattered around California, from the Central Valley to the U.S.-Mexico border.

Conservative religious leaders say it is important for families to have access to services as teens first awaken to their sexual orientation.

"When I was struggling with those things in the early '80s, the church didn't seem like it had a place for me," said Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International.

But mainstream mental health organizations say people should not be seeking out such ministries.

The American Psychological Association said in 2009 that mental health professionals shouldn't tell gay clients they can become straight through therapy.

The association cited research suggesting that efforts to produce the change could lead to depression and suicidal tendencies, and stated that no solid evidence exists that such change is possible.

The American Counseling Association and American Psychiatric Association have also disavowed the therapy. The psychiatric association removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders nearly 30 years ago.

Last month, the author of a widely-cited 2001 study supportive of the notion that "highly motivated" people can change their sexual orientation retracted his study and apologized to the gay community.

Peter Drake, 55, testified Tuesday that he sought out conversion therapy in an effort to save his 20-year marriage, and the years of trying to change himself nearly drove him to suicide.

"I am left-handed and I am gay," he said. "I could learn to write with my other hand, but that is not who I am."

Gay rights advocates say a ban like the one proposed in California could represent a turning point and inspire similar legislation in other states.

The measure, which moves to the full Senate, would likely face legal challenges from opponents who say it is unconstitutional.

"We're talking about stepping into the doctors' room or the physiatrists' office and clamping a hand over the mouths of the clinicians," said Matthew McReynolds of the conservative-leaning Pacific Justice Institute.

Lieu says he addressed free speech issues in SB1172 by excluding clergy and other people who are not medical professionals from the legislation.

The practice has garnered attention in past years as teens sent by their parents to conversion therapy programs have shared their stories online.

Among the lawmakers who approved the bill Tuesday was Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco. Leno said his parents sent him to a therapist when he first told them he might be gay, and it was only because the therapist did not pathologize his sexual orientation that he was able to come out of the closet.

"There are many that are trapped in this horror situation," he said. "And it can have extraordinarily negative impacts."

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my thoughts, good job California,
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
I already did a thread on this weeks ago.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.372922-California-to-ban-gay-therapy-for-minors?page=1
i guess this one can be deleted than
 

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This is fantastic! I certainly hope it's passed. As someone who studies sexuality in depth, I find this conversion therapy abhorrent. Not to mention the fact that it's a tool used by people who supposedly love their children/other relatives so much that they want them to be "normal." Instead of trying to fit everyone onto this tiny little normal boat, why don't we expand the definition to include more people? It doesn't have to become a fucking cruise liner, but y'know...
 

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Good for them. Mostly I don't really care about America one way or the other. But some American's views on gays I never understood. For a western country to be so retarded... Seriously WTF. Btw, I know not all Americans are homophobes/retarded. But in my country nobody thinks like that. We are F'ed up in different ways ;).

tofulove said:
"Any therapist worth his salt knows that homosexual feelings commonly occur in victims as a result of abuses," he said. "I ought to know because I was one of those boys."
Wait for it. Waaaaaaiiiit foooooor iiiit.
FAIL
 

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It's good to see bills like this getting passed. These 'treatments' are completely ludicrous, and it's about time people stood up to them.
 

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I realise I should be feeling happy that these laws are getting passed, but I was actually unaware of this whole "gay conversion therapy" thing until just now, so all I can feel is disgust that such a thing even exists. Shame on California, and shame on anyone who supports this kind of crap (the therapy itself, not the law).
 

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The North Carolina part stood out to me. Really, NC? I mean, I know this state is full of a bunch of retards that can't drive for shit, but...

Really?

Interesting that my sister said that most younger people were against it, but that it was winning because old people were going out to vote on it. *Laughs*
 

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Lunncal said:
I realise I should be feeling happy that these laws are getting passed, but I was actually unaware of this whole "gay conversion therapy" thing until just now, so all I can feel is disgust that such a thing even exists. Shame on California, and shame on anyone who supports this kind of crap (the therapy itself, not the law).
you see a lot more of it the American bible belt.
 

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in North Carlina it was already against the law, they just wanted to make it double against the law to let the hole world know they really don't like homosexuals.
 

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tofulove said:
Lunncal said:
I realise I should be feeling happy that these laws are getting passed, but I was actually unaware of this whole "gay conversion therapy" thing until just now, so all I can feel is disgust that such a thing even exists. Shame on California, and shame on anyone who supports this kind of crap (the therapy itself, not the law).
you see a lot more of it the American bible belt.
ok, stop right there.

i am sick and damn tired of there always being a stupid ass 'bible belt' remark every time something controversial is brought up and some one doesn't agree with it because it doesn't fit there leftist agenda.

"What! people actually dont support the right to abortion! it must be the bible belt!"
"Those silly uneducated people with their guns in the bible belt!"
ect.

How about this?
Not everyone shares your opinion, not everyone agrees with what people think, not every right winger is religious or from the bible belt, not every person from the bible belt is a right winger or religious, and every time i hear someone use the term 'bible belt' to negatively stereotype people of a certain political or religious orientation, it makes me wonder where the real intolerant hicks are!

Yes the procedure is weird, yes people have the right to be gay, but at the same time, some parents may prefer there child to be straight because sometimes having a gay child....can be fucking weird! Its not like they are stoning them to death like in the mid east!
 

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Jegsimmons said:
ok, stop right there.

i am sick and damn tired of there always being a stupid ass 'bible belt' remark every time something controversial is brought up and some one doesn't agree with it because it doesn't fit there leftist agenda.

"What! people actually dont support the right to abortion! it must be the bible belt!"
"Those silly uneducated people with their guns in the bible belt!"
ect.

How about this?
Not everyone shares your opinion, not everyone agrees with what people think, not every right winger is religious or from the bible belt, not every person from the bible belt is a right winger or religious, and every time i hear someone use the term 'bible belt' to negatively stereotype people of a certain political or religious orientation, it makes me wonder where the real intolerant hicks are!

Yes the procedure is weird, yes people have the right to be gay, but at the same time, some parents may prefer there child to be straight because sometimes having a gay child....can be fucking weird! Its not like they are stoning them to death like in the mid east!
You do realize that the term "Bible Belt" does not refer to any given political or religious orientation right? It is referring to a collection of states that, as a whole, are predominantly Christian (and a significant portion of such, if not a majority, are fundamentalists). That's where the term came from, people in what is generally known as "The South" take their religion very seriously, often to the point of fanaticism.

Of course not every conservative is from the bible belt, nor is everyone in the bible belt conservative, but the overwhelming majority is, and that majority sets the laws and regulations of the states they reside in. Which ends up allowing/promoting practices like this.

Also, assuming the various psychiatrist organizations mentioned in the article were speaking the truth, trying to force a gay kid to be straight is just like stoning them to death. The only difference is that you're not actually throwing any rocks. Just piling on the psychological pressure until they snap and off themselves for you. It'd be a completely different story if there was proof that this kind of therapy actually accomplished something other than lasting psychological damage, but all the evidence indicates otherwise.
 

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Agayek said:
Jegsimmons said:
ok, stop right there.

i am sick and damn tired of there always being a stupid ass 'bible belt' remark every time something controversial is brought up and some one doesn't agree with it because it doesn't fit there leftist agenda.

"What! people actually dont support the right to abortion! it must be the bible belt!"
"Those silly uneducated people with their guns in the bible belt!"
ect.

How about this?
Not everyone shares your opinion, not everyone agrees with what people think, not every right winger is religious or from the bible belt, not every person from the bible belt is a right winger or religious, and every time i hear someone use the term 'bible belt' to negatively stereotype people of a certain political or religious orientation, it makes me wonder where the real intolerant hicks are!

Yes the procedure is weird, yes people have the right to be gay, but at the same time, some parents may prefer there child to be straight because sometimes having a gay child....can be fucking weird! Its not like they are stoning them to death like in the mid east!
You do realize that the term "Bible Belt" does not refer to any given political or religious orientation right? It is referring to a collection of states that, as a whole, are predominantly Christian (and a significant portion of such, if not a majority, are fundamentalists). That's where the term came from, people in what is generally known as "The South" take their religion very seriously, often to the point of fanaticism.

Of course not every conservative is from the bible belt, nor is everyone in the bible belt conservative, but the overwhelming majority is, and that majority sets the laws and regulations of the states they reside in. Which ends up allowing/promoting practices like this.

Also, assuming the various psychiatrist organizations mentioned in the article were speaking the truth, trying to force a gay kid to be straight is just like stoning them to death. The only difference is that you're not actually throwing any rocks. Just piling on the psychological pressure until they snap and off themselves for you. It'd be a completely different story if there was proof that this kind of therapy actually accomplished something other than lasting psychological damage, but all the evidence indicates otherwise.
in know about the bible belt bro, im from the heart of it. (Alabama) and i actually have never even heard of gay conversion therapy outside of California.

And no, mental stress does not equal a stoning. not unless its an actual torture method used in a military will it be similar to a stoning.

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.
 

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Jegsimmons said:
in know about the bible belt bro, im from the heart of it. (Alabama) and i actually have never even heard of gay conversion therapy outside of California.

And no, mental stress does not equal a stoning. not unless its an actual torture method used in a military will it be similar to a stoning.

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.
The article quotes several spokesman for well known and established psychiatric organizations as saying the therapy can and often does cause depression and suicide. Since these organizations are known for knowing what they're talking about, I'm inclined to believe them, though I will admit that it's not proof one way or the other, since evidence is not provided.

As for the rest of it, I'd never actually heard of gay conversion therapy at all before this article. I have no idea where/how it's performed, and to be honest I don't really care. Barring evidence to the contrary however, it apparently creates a whole collection of problems for people that go through it, without actually accomplishing what it set out to do in the first place. If that's the case, it only makes sense to outlaw the practice.

Finally, inflicting mental stress is not perfectly equivalent to a stoning, no, but there are several parallels. The most obvious of which is when said mental stress drives the victim to suicide. Both are methods to cause a death because the victim doesn't fit with your preconceived worldview. It's methodically different yes, but the end result is the same.

Furthermore, the sentiment behind it is identical. "I don't like this fundamental aspect of you and you will be punished for it". That is not a healthy attitude for a parent to express to their child. There's all sorts of reasons why, but the most egregious one is because of basic decency.
 

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Marvellous I am sure that will make all the gay people who live there more comfortable.
Just an observation but is anyone else noticing the abnormal spike in gay threads recently?
 

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Agayek said:
Jegsimmons said:
in know about the bible belt bro, im from the heart of it. (Alabama) and i actually have never even heard of gay conversion therapy outside of California.

And no, mental stress does not equal a stoning. not unless its an actual torture method used in a military will it be similar to a stoning.

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.
The article quotes several spokesman for well known and established psychiatric organizations as saying the therapy can and often does cause depression and suicide. Since these organizations are known for knowing what they're talking about, I'm inclined to believe them, though I will admit that it's not proof one way or the other, since evidence is not provided.

As for the rest of it, I'd never actually heard of gay conversion therapy at all before this article. I have no idea where/how it's performed, and to be honest I don't really care. Barring evidence to the contrary however, it apparently creates a whole collection of problems for people that go through it, without actually accomplishing what it set out to do in the first place. If that's the case, it only makes sense to outlaw the practice.

Finally, inflicting mental stress is not perfectly equivalent to a stoning, no, but there are several parallels. The most obvious of which is when said mental stress drives the victim to suicide. Both are methods to cause a death because the victim doesn't fit with your preconceived worldview. It's methodically different yes, but the end result is the same.

Furthermore, the sentiment behind it is identical. "I don't like this fundamental aspect of you and you will be punished for it". That is not a healthy attitude for a parent to express to their child. There's all sorts of reasons why, but the most egregious one is because of basic decency.
true, but alot of times in these cases, people usually only view one side and dont try to take the other sides perspective into account or even a neutral one, i guess thats what really cheeses me off about alot of the gay right issues.

but if the procedure is actually (provable and not just bullshit) linked to depression and suicide, by all means put a stop to it!

i just really hate black and white issues they actually have half the color spectrum to them.

and really, i have no clue where im going with this anymore, im chatting on like 3 different threads and the birds ate my bread crumbs.
 

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Hooray, now there's one less way parents can legally terrorize their children psychologically!
 

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verdant monkai said:
Marvellous I am sure that will make all the gay people who live there more comfortable.
Just an observation but is anyone else noticing the abnormal spike in gay threads recently?
Probably due to the many laws being debated/passed on the subject of gay marriage and the like. It's coming up a lot more in general conversation as well, I've found.

OT: I can't believe the word 'may' is in that title. Such practices are shameful and barbaric.