Poll: California may ban gay teen 'conversion' therapy

[Limecake]

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.

the problem is that being gay is something you can't change. The idea that you can change someones sexual orientation with therapy further enforces the idea that being gay is 'unnatural' and that it's a problem that can be fixed.

This is also during a time where kids emotions are going nuts, making them feel like there is something wrong with them is the exact opposite of helping them. Yes teens can be brutal which is why it shocks me that people still believe that being gay is a 'choice' who would possibly choose to be ridiculed and abused?

There is absolutley no proof that homosexuality can be cured, many of the 'cured' homosexuals live in abstinence which means that the 'cure' for being gay is to suppress it to the point where you can convince yourself you 'might be straight'

 

[tofulove]

Marvellous I am sure that will make all the gay people who live there more comfortable.
Just an observation but is anyone else noticing the abnormal spike in gay threads recently?

between North Carolina's we hate them laws, New York's we love them laws, and California's eh you cant torture them laws, its bin in the news a lot. if its always in sight its in your mind. so people tend to think about it more, and discuss it more. those the increase in threads related to it.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

Forcing therapy on kids is awful and clearly should be banned.

If you are an adult and mental enough to want to this therapy, crack on, your life.

it doesn't matter if a parent can seek therapy for their kid until that person is 18 if they deem they need it. You would have to strip back parental rights and do a whole hell of lot of legal loop-holes in order to stop it. The kids them self or teens would have to be evaluated by a physicist to see if they could even be Emancipated from their parents to live on their own.

 

[Jegsimmons]

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.

the problem is that being gay is something you can't change. The idea that you can change someones sexual orientation with therapy further enforces the idea that being gay is 'unnatural' and that it's a problem that can be fixed.

This is also during a time where kids emotions are going nuts, making them feel like there is something wrong with them is the exact opposite of helping them. Yes teens can be brutal which is why it shocks me that people still believe that being gay is a 'choice' who would possibly choose to be ridiculed and abused?

There is absolutley no proof that homosexuality can be cured, many of the 'cured' homosexuals live in abstinence which means that the 'cure' for being gay is to suppress it to the point where you can convince yourself you 'might be straight'

what shocks me is that people thinking gay as a choice isnt more powerful, if you say it isnt, then what else can you say isnt choice either? pedophilia? bestiality?
its not genetic, its environment and choice, and to me that more more powerful than saying "your genetically gay so you are gay no matter what, what somewhere down your life you switched to women? oh then you werent TRULY gay!"

how about "fuck you! im an adult and ill stick my wang in any consenting adult i choose! because thats the power of choice baby!"

To say its genetic, is to say you dont have that choice. what if a gay guy decides he's tired of being gay? what if he is sexually attracted to men, but decides he likes women or vise versa? what if he got bored? what if a lesbian was grossed out by cocks at age twenty, but by age 40 decided to give it a shot and decided to stay straight?

SHIT! i think people who say it isnt a choice are as bad as people saying behavior is based on race!

see my point? like you may be straight and get turned on by red heads, but loose interest and have a thing for blondes. is that genetics? nope, environment and choice.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.

the problem is that being gay is something you can't change. The idea that you can change someones sexual orientation with therapy further enforces the idea that being gay is 'unnatural' and that it's a problem that can be fixed.

This is also during a time where kids emotions are going nuts, making them feel like there is something wrong with them is the exact opposite of helping them. Yes teens can be brutal which is why it shocks me that people still believe that being gay is a 'choice' who would possibly choose to be ridiculed and abused?

There is absolutley no proof that homosexuality can be cured, many of the 'cured' homosexuals live in abstinence which means that the 'cure' for being gay is to suppress it to the point where you can convince yourself you 'might be straight'

what shocks me is that people thinking gay as a choice isnt more powerful, if you say it isnt, then what else can you say isnt choice either? pedophilia? bestiality?
its not genetic, its environment and choice, and to me that more more powerful than saying "your genetically gay so you are gay no matter what, what somewhere down your life you switched to women? oh then you werent TRULY gay!"

how about "fuck you! im an adult and ill stick my wang in any consenting adult i choose! because thats the power of choice baby!"

To say its genetic, is to say you dont have that choice. what if a gay guy decides he's tired of being gay? what if he is sexually attracted to men, but decides he likes women or vise versa? what if he got bored? what if a lesbian was grossed out by cocks at age twenty, but by age 40 decided to give it a shot and decided to stay straight?

SHIT! i think people who say it isnt a choice are as bad as people saying behavior is based on race!

see my point? like you may be straight and get turned on by red heads, but loose interest and have a thing for blondes. is that genetics? nope, environment and choice.

1/10 either your are trying to rebuttal fox news headlines or your just trying to hard. I will keep it at this it is genetic who the hell chooses or wants to be gay due the amount of people out there that think like you? Being ousted by their parents, disowned, beat up at school, having a hard time to get a job, being called a "queer fag" online etc. No one willingly chooses that much mental break-down just to have sex with some of the same gender.

 

[Jegsimmons]

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.

the problem is that being gay is something you can't change. The idea that you can change someones sexual orientation with therapy further enforces the idea that being gay is 'unnatural' and that it's a problem that can be fixed.

This is also during a time where kids emotions are going nuts, making them feel like there is something wrong with them is the exact opposite of helping them. Yes teens can be brutal which is why it shocks me that people still believe that being gay is a 'choice' who would possibly choose to be ridiculed and abused?

There is absolutley no proof that homosexuality can be cured, many of the 'cured' homosexuals live in abstinence which means that the 'cure' for being gay is to suppress it to the point where you can convince yourself you 'might be straight'

what shocks me is that people thinking gay as a choice isnt more powerful, if you say it isnt, then what else can you say isnt choice either? pedophilia? bestiality?
its not genetic, its environment and choice, and to me that more more powerful than saying "your genetically gay so you are gay no matter what, what somewhere down your life you switched to women? oh then you werent TRULY gay!"

how about "fuck you! im an adult and ill stick my wang in any consenting adult i choose! because thats the power of choice baby!"

To say its genetic, is to say you dont have that choice. what if a gay guy decides he's tired of being gay? what if he is sexually attracted to men, but decides he likes women or vise versa? what if he got bored? what if a lesbian was grossed out by cocks at age twenty, but by age 40 decided to give it a shot and decided to stay straight?

SHIT! i think people who say it isnt a choice are as bad as people saying behavior is based on race!

see my point? like you may be straight and get turned on by red heads, but loose interest and have a thing for blondes. is that genetics? nope, environment and choice.

1/10 either your are trying to rebuttal fox news headlines or your just trying to hard. I will keep it at this it is genetic who the hell chooses or wants to be gay due the amount of people out there that think like you? Being ousted by their parents, disowned, beat up at school, having a hard time to get a job, being called a "queer fag" online etc. No one willingly chooses that much mental break-down just to have sex with some of the same gender.

1. dont rank me, this is neither trolling nor 4chan
2. stop assumeing everything is fox news related, its starting to get immature now.
3. yeah, people would risk bigotry for a choice, people who get abortions risk persecuted for their choice (though id argue who get what choice in that debate but i digress)
i make choices that get me picked on or ridiculed, being a gamer, not caring for sports, being an art major, ect. So the fact that gays choose to do something even at the risk of persecuted is to imply they are strong willed individuals. to say they are genetically predisposed to be gay take away that implication and opens up other doors you dont want open up, not to mention some holes in that theory (such as, if it is genetic, that would mean gay people wont last that many generations to come), and with that being you'd also have to accept the fact that a persons race holds the risk of genetic qualities be it negative or positive.
Plus the idea of a gay gene would not explain, bi-sexuality, or people who change from gay to straight or vise verse mid life.

 

[thethird0611]

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1/10 either your are trying to rebuttal fox news headlines or your just trying to hard. I will keep it at this it is genetic who the hell chooses or wants to be gay due the amount of people out there that think like you? Being ousted by their parents, disowned, beat up at school, having a hard time to get a job, being called a "queer fag" online etc. No one willingly chooses that much mental break-down just to have sex with some of the same gender.

I gotta step in here real quick and say something. You sir have simply told everyone that the human brain doesnt have plasticity. Plasticity=changeable. I have my own bias on this subject, but im more not happy with you thinking we dont have a choice.

Ever heard of the Kinsey scale? Many people bring it up to prove a point of everyone having less than 100% straight or homosexual tendencies. What alot of people dont bring up is that we move on the scale throughout our life, with a trend toward heterosexuality as we get older (thats only a trend, not an absolute).

Causes of homosexuality? People will say biology, and that is true, chemical releases can sway a person to one way. The thing about those chemicals is that they can be regulated/changed by our own selves. Its not easssyyy, but we can change. How are those chemicals like that though? Its a cross from a few things. Biology from genetics (This is not saying theres a 'gay' gene, but if you biological dad and mum swayed toward homosexuality, theres a chance you will to), and life experiences. Life experiences change up the brain HUGELY.

So, theres my 2 cents after my understanding into my studies into the neuropsych side of psychology.

OT: If these camps can come up with results that prove they are working, as well as can pass an ethics board, then why shouldnt they be allowed to? But if it fails either one of those, throw em out.

EDIT: If I got anything wrong in here, please correct me politely. <------ Keyword

 

[Gamerluls]

I'm glad that there is (hopefully) going to be a ban on this stupidity. All they do in those places are put you through guilt and fear, and basically just change how you act outwardly, even though inside you are still the same. You just end up feeling ashamed for something that you felt was right for you. If you love a person with all your heart, who gives a damn what is between their legs? Why would people want to say that love is great, but only certain love between certain people? It is like the old laws saying that you could not marry outside your race or religion...
But, I am pleased that somebody has half a brain cell.

 

[Da Orky Man]

I realise I should be feeling happy that these laws are getting passed, but I was actually unaware of this whole "gay conversion therapy" thing until just now, so all I can feel is disgust that such a thing even exists. Shame on California, and shame on anyone who supports this kind of crap (the therapy itself, not the law).

you see a lot more of it the American bible belt.

ok, stop right there.

i am sick and damn tired of there always being a stupid ass 'bible belt' remark every time something controversial is brought up and some one doesn't agree with it because it doesn't fit there leftist agenda.

"What! people actually dont support the right to abortion! it must be the bible belt!"
"Those silly uneducated people with their guns in the bible belt!"
ect.

How about this?
Not everyone shares your opinion, not everyone agrees with what people think, not every right winger is religious or from the bible belt, not every person from the bible belt is a right winger or religious, and every time i hear someone use the term 'bible belt' to negatively stereotype people of a certain political or religious orientation, it makes me wonder where the real intolerant hicks are!

Yes the procedure is weird, yes people have the right to be gay, but at the same time, some parents may prefer there child to be straight because sometimes having a gay child....can be fucking weird! Its not like they are stoning them to death like in the mid east!

http://articles.philly.com/2011-03-18/news/29142081_1_stoning-death-court-documents-police

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Compared to most of the rest of the 'western world' including Europe, Canada and Australia, America can be pretty backward.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

but even then, is it the therapy that causing the suicide? or the fact that coming out of the closet as a teen is one of the most socially dangerous things you can ever do in any area of the nation? dude, school kids are fucking brutally mean!!! teen suicides happen to even straight people they're so fucking insane.

the problem is that being gay is something you can't change. The idea that you can change someones sexual orientation with therapy further enforces the idea that being gay is 'unnatural' and that it's a problem that can be fixed.

This is also during a time where kids emotions are going nuts, making them feel like there is something wrong with them is the exact opposite of helping them. Yes teens can be brutal which is why it shocks me that people still believe that being gay is a 'choice' who would possibly choose to be ridiculed and abused?

There is absolutley no proof that homosexuality can be cured, many of the 'cured' homosexuals live in abstinence which means that the 'cure' for being gay is to suppress it to the point where you can convince yourself you 'might be straight'

what shocks me is that people thinking gay as a choice isnt more powerful, if you say it isnt, then what else can you say isnt choice either? pedophilia? bestiality?
its not genetic, its environment and choice, and to me that more more powerful than saying "your genetically gay so you are gay no matter what, what somewhere down your life you switched to women? oh then you werent TRULY gay!"

how about "fuck you! im an adult and ill stick my wang in any consenting adult i choose! because thats the power of choice baby!"

To say its genetic, is to say you dont have that choice. what if a gay guy decides he's tired of being gay? what if he is sexually attracted to men, but decides he likes women or vise versa? what if he got bored? what if a lesbian was grossed out by cocks at age twenty, but by age 40 decided to give it a shot and decided to stay straight?

SHIT! i think people who say it isnt a choice are as bad as people saying behavior is based on race!

see my point? like you may be straight and get turned on by red heads, but loose interest and have a thing for blondes. is that genetics? nope, environment and choice.

1/10 either your are trying to rebuttal fox news headlines or your just trying to hard. I will keep it at this it is genetic who the hell chooses or wants to be gay due the amount of people out there that think like you? Being ousted by their parents, disowned, beat up at school, having a hard time to get a job, being called a "queer fag" online etc. No one willingly chooses that much mental break-down just to have sex with some of the same gender.

1. dont rank me, this is neither trolling nor 4chan
2. stop assumeing everything is fox news related, its starting to get immature now.
3. yeah, people would risk bigotry for a choice, people who get abortions risk persecuted for their choice (though id argue who get what choice in that debate but i digress)
i make choices that get me picked on or ridiculed, being a gamer, not caring for sports, being an art major, ect. So the fact that gays choose to do something even at the risk of persecuted is to imply they are strong willed individuals. to say they are genetically predisposed to be gay take away that implication and opens up other doors you dont want open up, not to mention some holes in that theory (such as, if it is genetic, that would mean gay people wont last that many generations to come), and with that being you'd also have to accept the fact that a persons race holds the risk of genetic qualities be it negative or positive.
Plus the idea of a gay gene would not explain, bi-sexuality, or people who change from gay to straight or vise verse mid life.

hahahaha oh wow I needed a good laugh today thank you for that. The main reason I mentioned fox news is due in part that you sound like an a-typical viewer but i might be wrong.. Hell the human population is at or over 7 billion now i think weeding down would actually be good for the planet but that's for another thread. The thing is you assume to know this however you don't have that person's mind-set or state of mind so how can you know what a person is feeling or thinking?? My cousin was ousted by his over zealot when he was younger for being gay, disowned for nearly 13 years.

However they grew to accept over time and guess what.. he is still gay and over 36 now. That whole bestiality/pedo bs is the same thing my mother brings up which is well bs. A human being or another fellow human is only capable of return those feelings of love animals and children due not have the brain capacity or the ability to which is why doing rex is ILLEGAL. You really should read up on brain chemistry and how the mind works, frontal lobe , per-cortex etc and how it controls emotions which plays into this. There is no damn gay gene to put it simply it's all complex hard-wiring of the brain at birth, then again I am sure if they could screen this during pregnancy republicans would be getting abortions as well.

 

[Agayek]

I gotta step in here real quick and say something. You sir have simply told everyone that the human brain doesnt have plasticity. Plasticity=changeable. I have my own bias on this subject, but im more not happy with you thinking we dont have a choice.

Ever heard of the Kinsey scale? Many people bring it up to prove a point of everyone having less than 100% straight or homosexual tendencies. What alot of people dont bring up is that we move on the scale throughout our life, with a trend toward heterosexuality as we get older (thats only a trend, not an absolute).

Causes of homosexuality? People will say biology, and that is true, chemical releases can sway a person to one way. The thing about those chemicals is that they can be regulated/changed by our own selves. Its not easssyyy, but we can change. How are those chemicals like that though? Its a cross from a few things. Biology from genetics (This is not saying theres a 'gay' gene, but if you biological dad and mum swayed toward homosexuality, theres a chance you will to), and life experiences. Life experiences change up the brain HUGELY.

So, theres my 2 cents after my understanding into my studies into the neuropsych side of psychology.

While you're correct on the Kinsey scale and whatnot, I think it needs to be made clear that we don't actually know what causes homosexuality. It could be life experiences leading you to become gay, it could be a hardcoded gene that makes you go gay, a sub-conscious choice based on associations with genders and whatnot, some combination of the above, or just about anything else.

We simply don't know what drives sexual attraction to the same gender.

Is it possible that your sexuality can be intentionally altered? Yes, but judging by the studies performed on the matter and what the bigger psychiatric organizations have to say on the matter, it's not terribly likely.

 

[DEAD34345]

1. dont rank me, this is neither trolling nor 4chan
2. stop assumeing everything is fox news related, its starting to get immature now.
3. yeah, people would risk bigotry for a choice, people who get abortions risk persecuted for their choice (though id argue who get what choice in that debate but i digress)
i make choices that get me picked on or ridiculed, being a gamer, not caring for sports, being an art major, ect. So the fact that gays choose to do something even at the risk of persecuted is to imply they are strong willed individuals. to say they are genetically predisposed to be gay take away that implication and opens up other doors you dont want open up, not to mention some holes in that theory (such as, if it is genetic, that would mean gay people wont last that many generations to come), and with that being you'd also have to accept the fact that a persons race holds the risk of genetic qualities be it negative or positive.
Plus the idea of a gay gene would not explain, bi-sexuality, or people who change from gay to straight or vise verse mid life.

I'm pretty sure that being homosexual is not a choice by definition. A guy is not homosexual because they choose to sleep only with men, they're homosexual because they are sexually attracted to men only. A man could sleep only with women for his entire life and still be gay if he was only actually attracted to men. That's not to say it's purely genetic or anything, there's almost certainly environmental effects and such to take into account, but there probably are genes that predispose people towards homosexuality, as similar kinds of genes have been found in other organisms. Oh, and there's no hole in that theory, there's plenty of reasons a "gay gene" (or similar thing) could last forever in the gene-pool (the gene being recessive, for example). Also, people's races do hold the risk of positive and negative qualities, e.g. Caucasians are more likely to get skin cancer than people of other races.

 

[thethird0611]

I gotta step in here real quick and say something. You sir have simply told everyone that the human brain doesnt have plasticity. Plasticity=changeable. I have my own bias on this subject, but im more not happy with you thinking we dont have a choice.

Ever heard of the Kinsey scale? Many people bring it up to prove a point of everyone having less than 100% straight or homosexual tendencies. What alot of people dont bring up is that we move on the scale throughout our life, with a trend toward heterosexuality as we get older (thats only a trend, not an absolute).

Causes of homosexuality? People will say biology, and that is true, chemical releases can sway a person to one way. The thing about those chemicals is that they can be regulated/changed by our own selves. Its not easssyyy, but we can change. How are those chemicals like that though? Its a cross from a few things. Biology from genetics (This is not saying theres a 'gay' gene, but if you biological dad and mum swayed toward homosexuality, theres a chance you will to), and life experiences. Life experiences change up the brain HUGELY.

So, theres my 2 cents after my understanding into my studies into the neuropsych side of psychology.

While you're correct on the Kinsey scale and whatnot, I think it needs to be made clear that we don't actually know what causes homosexuality. It could be life experiences leading you to become gay, it could be a hardcoded gene that makes you go gay, a sub-conscious choice based on associations with genders and whatnot, some combination of the above, or just about anything else.

We simply don't know what drives sexual attraction to the same gender.

Is it possible that your sexuality can be intentionally altered? Yes, but judging by the studies performed on the matter and what the bigger psychiatric organizations have to say on the matter, it's not terribly likely.

Yeah, I should of put that out there a bit more. I was more popping in about plasticity there. You are right though. There a quite a few studies that predict/correlate homosexuality, but nothing concrete. I am glad though that someones sees the changeability, and I quite agree with you about the difficulty. Hell, its hard for people to just quit smoking.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

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1/10 either your are trying to rebuttal fox news headlines or your just trying to hard. I will keep it at this it is genetic who the hell chooses or wants to be gay due the amount of people out there that think like you? Being ousted by their parents, disowned, beat up at school, having a hard time to get a job, being called a "queer fag" online etc. No one willingly chooses that much mental break-down just to have sex with some of the same gender.

I gotta step in here real quick and say something. You sir have simply told everyone that the human brain doesnt have plasticity. Plasticity=changeable. I have my own bias on this subject, but im more not happy with you thinking we dont have a choice.

Ever heard of the Kinsey scale? Many people bring it up to prove a point of everyone having less than 100% straight or homosexual tendencies. What alot of people dont bring up is that we move on the scale throughout our life, with a trend toward heterosexuality as we get older (thats only a trend, not an absolute).

Causes of homosexuality? People will say biology, and that is true, chemical releases can sway a person to one way. The thing about those chemicals is that they can be regulated/changed by our own selves. Its not easssyyy, but we can change. How are those chemicals like that though? Its a cross from a few things. Biology from genetics (This is not saying theres a 'gay' gene, but if you biological dad and mum swayed toward homosexuality, theres a chance you will to), and life experiences. Life experiences change up the brain HUGELY.

So, theres my 2 cents after my understanding into my studies into the neuropsych side of psychology.

OT: If these camps can come up with results that prove they are working, as well as can pass an ethics board, then why shouldnt they be allowed to? But if it fails either one of those, throw em out.

EDIT: If I got anything wrong in here, please correct me politely. <------ Keyword

you just summed up what I was thinking so go to my newest post. However most of the time it's not a choice but a natural impulse due to the way a persons brain is wired at birth. No amount of therapy or correction will ever fix this with people that have that state of mind you would physically have to do brain surgery and figure out the cause if you wanted to say "cure being gay". However I will say this for the hell of it do I personally think some choose to be gay as a small rebuttal yeah I honestly do however lets say 15% of the group doesn't speak or cover the other 85% that genially act that way.

 

[orangeban]

Good, parents forcing their children into "conversion therapy" are causing serious and fundamental damage to children for life. Conversion therapy is a load of crap that doesn't work and basically just savages your mental health.

 

[thethird0611]

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you just summed up what I was thinking so go to my newest post. However most of the time it's not a choice but a natural impulse due to the way a persons brain is wired at birth. No amount of therapy or correction will ever fix this with people that have that state of mind you would physically have to do brain surgery and figure out the cause if you wanted to say "cure being gay". However I will say this for the hell of it do I personally think some choose to be gay as a small rebuttal yeah I honestly do however lets say 15% of the group doesn't speak or cover the other 85% that genially act that way.

You missed the total point of my post. The brain has plasticity! It is able to be changed! We are not hardwired from birth. It constantly evolves with our interactions and experiences. Why do you think therapy in other fields work? You change the way the neurons interact.

You know what causes resistance to drugs? (or one of the factors?). When you take a drug to release, say, AcH, the AcH goes between the neurons and fires off the next neuron. After you take that drug for a while, the post synaptic neuron grows more dendrites (the receiver). So that means you need more drugs to get the same effect. Simple example of very very very basic changes of the brains wiring.

Also, with most research, brain surgery isnt used (well hell, humans are rarely used).

 

[Agayek]

Yeah, I should of put that out there a bit more. I was more popping in about plasticity there. You are right though. There a quite a few studies that predict/correlate homosexuality, but nothing concrete. I am glad though that someones sees the changeability, and I quite agree with you about the difficulty. Hell, its hard for people to just quit smoking.

Quitting smoking is a very different beast. That's less a matter of changing something in your brain than it is removing a chemical dependency. It's only really applicable if just "being gay" generates a specific chemical that straight people don't have that you'd then have to train your brain to going without.

It would actually be quite a bit simpler, and would allow for "gay treatments" to actually be viable. You'd just use similar methods to what is already in use for smokers and alcoholics (though obviously it would have to be tweaked somewhat). Which, while a remote possibility, is unlikely due to the amount of research into exactly that that has been conducted.

Honestly, we're not likely to have any major breakthroughs in "what causes homosexuality" until there's a few cases of identical twins with opposing sexualities. Surprises can always happen though, so we'll see eventually I'm sure.

 

[Jegsimmons]

ok, stop right there.

i am sick and damn tired of there always being a stupid ass 'bible belt' remark every time something controversial is brought up and some one doesn't agree with it because it doesn't fit there leftist agenda.

"What! people actually dont support the right to abortion! it must be the bible belt!"
"Those silly uneducated people with their guns in the bible belt!"
ect.

How about this?
Not everyone shares your opinion, not everyone agrees with what people think, not every right winger is religious or from the bible belt, not every person from the bible belt is a right winger or religious, and every time i hear someone use the term 'bible belt' to negatively stereotype people of a certain political or religious orientation, it makes me wonder where the real intolerant hicks are!

Yes the procedure is weird, yes people have the right to be gay, but at the same time, some parents may prefer there child to be straight because sometimes having a gay child....can be fucking weird! Its not like they are stoning them to death like in the mid east!

Wow, you really seem to have quite the persecution complex. Just because someone bashes your Big Book of Fairy Tales and Intolerance or criticises one of the theocratic, backwards southern states, it doesn't mean that they are bashing you.

They bash you because you think that your unfounded beliefs should be forced onto everyone (gay marriage thread) and because you think that being gay is a choice (despite overwhelming scientific consensus to the contrary).

i dont mind criticism, what i do mind is immature people like you referring to my belief and religion as a fairy tale. or claiming we are theocratic. learn what a theocracy is, and then learn what certain 'book of fairy tales' defined western civilization as we know.

its the immature assholes you have to act like they're cool insulting another belief.
you my friend dont know shit about my religion, you know as much about i as those westboro whack jobs who contradict the messages in it. My religion is about tolerance, even if they do differ from you. And just so you know, i am not against gay marriage, i support civil unions for all people.
what im against is people who are so single minded and hypocritical they make both sides look equally bigoted.

secondly, there is no scientific consensus on the gay gene, thats bullshit. everyone knows that. and i find it insulting to gay people, because it suggest they are weak willed and cant make a choice for themselves. Thats why i like the idea of sexuality being a choice, because it makes who ever chooses what, a strong willed individual.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=205608

http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/science-doesnt-support-the-gay-gene-theory