Poll: Can current gen consoles be worse than their last counter parts? ( for instance is xbox > 360?)

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TheLefty

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I was under the assumption that unless a console tried to ake a revolutionary jump between generations (like the game cube digivolving to the wii) then the current gen console will be better than it's last gen counterpart. However just got in a debate with a guy who claimed the original xbox is better than the 360. It's possible he meant the games, but I took it as him saying everything about the xbox kicks everything about the 360's ass, despite the addition of arcade, increased live and add-one. But that's not the point of this topic.
My question to my fellow escapists is if you guys believe a console can beat it's sequel. Now remember the rules, this can't cross families, the ps2 may or mY not be better than the 360 but that's not the point here. So, let's keep it civil guys, ( though I've never seen a full blown flame war on this site).

(on a completely unrelated note, I feel cool posting this from my iPhone.
 

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TheLefty said:
(on a completely unrelated note, I feel cool posting this from my iPhone.
OOoooOOooOOOoO, faaancy! Why don't you just go eat caviar sprinkled with diamonds out of a baby seal's skull and leave the rest of us bourgeoisie boot-lickers to rot in peace?

F**king plutocratic...

[small]...why don't I have an iPhone....? :...([/small]


Ahem -- er, back on topic, I'd say you need to define the criteria by which people are to judge the systems. Actually, I think that is where most of the disagreement would be. Some would say that the games you can play on it define the system, but you seem to want to judge them based on implicit features and capabilities.

I'd say that in terms of hardware capabilities, it's obvious that the later generation would be much "better." You could argue with more room, however, that features such as playing music, connecting to the internet, photo/video capabilities, etc. are vestigial or that they over complicate what was once a simple "plug-and-play" experience.

Personally? I'm a Sony man, so I'll do PS2/3. Half of the games I play on my PS3 are from the last generation. The switch to an internal HDD has it's drawbacks, but I generally consider it an improvement, especially due to the increased size. The move to wireless and the convenience of a remote start/stop is almost a winner by itself, but the need to charge controllers can be a pain, not to mention how much more fragile the things can seem when they're not tied to your system. The new one seems to lock up a lot more than the old one did though, and it's harder to fix. I'll give it to the PS3, but by a smaller margin than you might think.

I'll also argue that, because the improved hardware specs of successive generations of consoles have driven up the cost of development, the video games industry suffers, at least on the consumer side. Less variety and volume overall, in spite of constantly increasing personal investment (sure, I can get shiny new game, but unless I get a hi-res, gigantic TV, I can't even read the eye-straining little text blurbs. Online content? Sure! Just drop another $50 a year. And if you want to play with friends, that extra controller will be another $50. And have you seen the Kinect's price tag?). In that way, you could make a case that the previous generation, if not the console itself (for what relevant qualities does it really have outside of hardware if it's not just by it's era?), was better. Honestly, the question is could the old be better than the new, and in that case, yes (obviously). A buggy, complicated system that no one can make games for is obviously worse off. But nobody would make such a thing, so a more pertinent question would be, has it happened yet or will it happen?

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CalCD

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If he means games that have been released for older consoles, sure. Backwards functionality does make that point moot, however, since you can the advantages of both generations...
As for this particular generation, I think there are some games that deserve to stand amongst the greats : GTA 4, Zelda TP, SC2 (probably), oblivion/fallout 3 (even though many people hated them, hehe). Its quite hard to say that , say, the n64 was overall better because it had some great games, because this gen has had its share of greatness too...
 

LooK iTz Jinjo

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I was promised a Poll! This seems to be happening a lot lately? Are people just putting "Poll" in their title and not actually adding one?


OT yes it is possible, observe:

N64 ============> Gamecube ===========> Wii

See I own all 3, played them extensivly, my research is correct. Other than that the 360 is better than the Xbox and the PS3 is better than the PS2, I don't think you can argue with technology. Games are a different story and while 360 beats orignal Xbox hands down (in my opinion) the contest between PS2 and PS3 would be closer and no I won't call a winner on that one.
 

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I like my PS2 more than my XBox 360. It's more reliable and has a bigger library of games that interest me, and when I had an XBox and a PS1 I like the PS1 more. The recurring theme here, I guess, is my preference for Sony consoles, and my habit of buying Microsoft consoles. I don't get it either.
 

Miumaru

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PS2 > PS3
Gameboy SP > DS (though I just hate touch screen games and KH)
Gamecube > Wii (for the most part)

Plus current gen are wusses. I so much as flick my 360 and I lose a $60 game. While I could probably take a N64, toss it in the air still connected to my TV, hit it with a bat into a brick wall, and it would still work...after I blow into it 20 times....
 

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BlindMessiah94 said:
I'm pretty sure Sega Saturn was not better than Genesis.
O RLY? (Sorry couldn't help myself)

OT:Well PS3 is better than PS1 and 2 because of its backwards compatability
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
Well, I'd rather have a Gamecube than a Wii, so definitely.
Darn, that was going to be my example. I thought that Nintendo should have produced the Wii and another, more traditional console like a better Gamecube.

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Last generation was the best generation IMO. Online bullshit was practically unheard of (for me at least), all the best games came out and NO FUCKING MOTION CONTROLS. I love this generation consoles (except for the Wii). But in the end it really comes down to the games not the hardware.
 

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I really think that the consoles get better, but the games get worse. That's why no one wants to try anything new in games, because the old games are still better than the new ones.
 

migo

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Well, PS2 was definitely better than the PS1 in every way, PS3 took a step back with removal of PS2 BC but also had some steps forward, so you have something of a PS1 < PS2 = PS3 situation there.

I think the Wii was an improvement over the GameCube, as there's nothing the GC does that the Wii doesn't (to my knowledge). That said, I'd also prefer a GameCube because it sells for $15 (because there's no reason to keep it if you have a Wii, and everyone who had a GameCube bought a Wii), and the Wii still hits pretty ridiculous prices for what you get on top of the GameCube. It's better, but not 10 times better to reflect 10 times the price.

The Xbox 360, assuming faultless hardware is better than the Xbox, but the Xbox didn't have a failure rate, so I'd actually agree that the 360 is worse than the Xbox due to the 360's abysmal failure rate.

I also have to agree with whoever mentioned the Saturn. For Sega it was definitely Master System Saturn < Dreamcast, although if you want to be charitable, the Saturn was a new start with optical media and the Dreamcast was better than the Saturn in every way.
 

Thunderhorse31

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Most of the best examples have already been offered. The Gamecube was better than the Wii, the Genesis was better than Saturn, and hell, the 2600 was better than the Jaguar.

So yes, it's possible.
 

mjc0961

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migo said:
I think the Wii was an improvement over the GameCube, as there's nothing the GC does that the Wii doesn't (to my knowledge).
Well you can't plug in a GameBoy Player so that kinda stinks, but to be fair I almost never used the thing on my Cube anyway. But other than that, Nintendo really nailed the whole backwards comparability thing for the Wii. I just wish Sony and Microsoft would take notes (well, Sony had it but they lost it to drop the price of the PS3 and sell more PS2s so fair enough even if it is costing them a potential sale of a PS3 slim to me because I want that BC inside).

Although this isn't really an example of the current gen being better than the previous gen, GBA SP > GBA Micro. WTF was that Micro nonsense Nintendo, srsly. Tiny thing you can barely hold and going back to a "screen on the outside instead of safe in a clamshell" design... Awful.
 

StriderShinryu

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Hardware wise, I guess you could say that certain design decisions do sometimes seem backwards (like how the original Xbox could be dropped off a cliff and still run while the 360 can break if you look at it wrong). Overall though, just on the pure technology alone, I'm not sure that's the case. One generation is going to be more powerful than the last, otherwise there wouldn't be a new generation at all.

Game wise? Absolutely. I don't think it's a stretch at all to say, for example, the Genesis was better than the Saturn or (my personal belief) that Nintendo has been on a downward slide since the end of the SNES era. It's all opinions though and not really something that could be proven.
 

Avaholic03

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Well you'd have to define better/worse. At least in the case of the xbox/360, the 360 has way more features, most notably HD. Sure its failure rate is much higher, but every console since the beginning of time (and PC as well) has had some failures. It's just that the media coverage wasn't as good so you didn't hear about it as much. My original Xbox failed more in the 3 years I had it than my current 360 has failed in 4 years (and counting).