Poll: Can you hate gay culture and not be homophobic?

[mxfox408]

Firstly I'd like to start out saying you shouldn't lean towards acceptance. Instead do what you want, its you choice so fuck what anyone else thinks, be yourself, and don't try to fit in. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them. So live your life based on your own accord and screw what people think about your lifestyle, as long as you separate it from your professional life, that goes for everyone not just gay people. Secondly, the point your missing is people are more concerned with the in your face I'm gay and proud and you can't do nothing about it gay types. Those are the immature bastards that you should be going after as they are doing harm toward gay rights as they act like they speak for the whole movements behalf. More people get turned off when people act like assholes and rebels about their lifestyle and those are the douchebags I believe most of us are talking about. When was the last time you saw someone prancing around saying I'm straight and proud, or straight pride parades?

Personally, I can care less about your lifestyle but I'm not pushing my religious beliefs and lifestyle down your throats so why should anyone else be the exception to the rule? If you gay your gay, if your straight your straight, if your bi your bi, just STFU about it already, that goes go all lifestyles emo, goth, straight, gay, whatever just grow up about it already.

Well, here's the deal. I am one of those guys that you could never tell was gay just by looking at him. However, I have gone to gay pride parades and I WILL CONTINUE to do so. Pride parades piss you off? Too Bad, they are not just for you nor are they about you in the 1st place. This day and age Gay Pride is more about the LGBT community celebrating itself than giving any message to heterosexuals. Except maybe for the hetero's that ALSO go to these events to celebrate and support their gay friends.

THere have been some events where I have worn a speedo or spanky pants. (One Halloween I dressed up in naught but a loincloth and went out on the town. I walked right past a police officer, so I must not have broken the law.) Once again my desire was not to shock or offend straight people or make them put up with my appearance. These were events called "Splash Bash" and they take place at a pool, beach, or other body of water. Hell, in good ol' Texas there are 2 of these such events. The more infamous one takes place at Hippy Hollow on Lake Travis. Hippy Hollow is a nude beach, so guess what, if you went to that state park on that weekend and were not careful where you went (I believe there are signs warning of the nudity). Your sensitive heterosexual eyes might get burned out of their sockets by 1000's of naked queers, some of which are engaged in full on sex! The park and area are not gay-exclusive other areas and certainly durring other times of the year, the park is frequented by heterosexuals, and one can imagine at least some of them do the exact same thing as the gays do.

I dont know if I have ever met one of those "gay in your face" people. Maybe I did and just didnt notice. Times in the past if I was around a straight guy bragging or "oversharing" about his sexual exploits I would just start sharing my own. This usually shut them down. See I am not an overly sensitive person. I dont give a f*ck what someone does as long as they are not breaking the law or posing a direct physical threat to someone. If you think someone is doing something to intentially bother you, ask them politely to stop. If they continue, find a way to avoid or ignore them. There are strict sexual harassment laws at most companies, so I doubt anyone gets away with too much overshare at work. There are even harassment laws for the general public which can be enforced once proper channels are followed and criteria met for a valid complaint.

Pride parades don't bother me, just giving some examples, I've had my beliefs openly made fun of and that's where I say "if you bastards don't like it why the hell do you do it?" See what I mean there? Some people are dicks on both sides, the ones that stand out are the ones that hold signs saying bullshit, again both sides. Grow the fuck up about your lifestyles and don't open your mouth about others is what I say. I may not believe its right or support it but I won't belittle or be immature about it. But I've been asked if I support it and I respond no and ill be called homophobe wtf is kind or idiotic bs is that? That's why people get turned off. Live your life and don't fuck with how others live theirs is what I was saying.

 

[mxfox408]

Pride parades don't bother me, just giving some examples, I've had my beliefs openly made fun of and that's where I say "if you bastards don't like it why the hell do you do it?" See what I mean there? Some people are dicks on both sides, the ones that stand out are the ones that hold signs saying bullshit, again both sides. Grow the fuck up about your lifestyles and don't open your mouth about others is what I say. I may not believe its right or support it but I won't belittle or be immature about it. But I've been asked if I support it and I respond no and ill be called homophobe wtf is kind or idiotic bs is that? That's why people get turned off. Live your life and don't fuck with how others live theirs is what I was saying.

I really tried to understand your last post but parts of it were so vague and troubled with poor grammar that I couldnt. I dont usually call people out for minor mistakes as long as I can interpret their meaning.

I am 36 years old, I have long since past the point where I have to act mature to impress people. I can safely say I am more mature than some and less mature than others. If you have a problem with my perceived level of maturity you can go play hide and go f*ck yourself.

In my life I can only recall rare occasions where a straight person was being called out for sharing EVERY GOREY detail of his sexual conquests, and it usually was a woman complaining about it. In many cases it seemed to be encouraged. Meanwhile, I have been accused of "throwing my sexuality in people's faces" for mearly mentioning that I had a boyfriend in a chat room where people frequently mention that they have spouses and girlfriends.

Can you understand now where I see a bias in how people react? On one hand you have a group of guys encouraging someone to share as much as possible about a sexual encounter and on the other people are FREAKING THE F*CK OUT because I casually mention I have a boyfriend.

I didn't Excel in grammar, mathmatics was more my subject, anyways, some people cant handle it, I'm one of those, but I'm not vocal about it unless its insulting then ill just ignore anything else said and let you know. People need to grow up, unfortunately not everyone in this forum is mature about things.

 

[mxfox408]

Pride parades don't bother me, just giving some examples, I've had my beliefs openly made fun of and that's where I say "if you bastards don't like it why the hell do you do it?" See what I mean there? Some people are dicks on both sides, the ones that stand out are the ones that hold signs saying bullshit, again both sides. Grow the fuck up about your lifestyles and don't open your mouth about others is what I say. I may not believe its right or support it but I won't belittle or be immature about it. But I've been asked if I support it and I respond no and ill be called homophobe wtf is kind or idiotic bs is that? That's why people get turned off. Live your life and don't fuck with how others live theirs is what I was saying.

I really tried to understand your last post but parts of it were so vague and troubled with poor grammar that I couldnt. I dont usually call people out for minor mistakes as long as I can interpret their meaning.

I am 36 years old, I have long since past the point where I have to act mature to impress people. I can safely say I am more mature than some and less mature than others. If you have a problem with my perceived level of maturity you can go play hide and go f*ck yourself.

In my life I can only recall rare occasions where a straight person was being called out for sharing EVERY GOREY detail of his sexual conquests, and it usually was a woman complaining about it. In many cases it seemed to be encouraged. Meanwhile, I have been accused of "throwing my sexuality in people's faces" for mearly mentioning that I had a boyfriend in a chat room where people frequently mention that they have spouses and girlfriends.

Can you understand now where I see a bias in how people react? On one hand you have a group of guys encouraging someone to share as much as possible about a sexual encounter and on the other people are FREAKING THE F*CK OUT because I casually mention I have a boyfriend.

I didn't Excel in grammar, mathmatics was more my subject, anyways, some people cant handle it, I'm one of those, but I'm not vocal about it unless its insulting then ill just ignore anything else said and let you know. People need to grow up, unfortunately not everyone in this forum is mature about things.

Fair enough, I thank you for engaging in a civil conversation about this with me. I see no problem with calling out an a**hole whether he be gay or straight. Certainly I have given no one any quarter just because of their sexuality. I do encourage everyone to have thicker skins when it comes to matters of little consequence, and of course I ask they have skin that is equally thick for my LGBT bretheren.

Good day to you, sir.

Likewise sir.

 

[dead.juice]

I can live with this, this is somebody preference:
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But this shit is stupid. It hurts the gay image. I believe this is part of the reason society hasn't been able to accept gays. It's looks like a fetish, not a choice.
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Have you seen the kinds of crazy outfits and other fucked up sh*t that goes on at Comic-con or other various game and role-playing conventions? Does that bother you? Have you seen "Carnival" celebrations that take place in various Latin and South American Countries? What about Marti Gras and Spring Break in the US, does the hijinks that take place at these events make your blood boil?
No, it doesn't bother me. Those people arn't saying "I want to have sex with this, accept me" at comic-cons or RP conventions (most of the time). Spring break/ Marti Gras actually do bother me, I'm a total prude, and I think that culture is made of a bunch of jackasses and douchebags.

Part of the reason some of us think homophobia is at the root here is that these other events and other instances of people dressing up do not seem to draw the same ire. I can look at Mari Gras and say "that looks like fun" and not decide that the worst of that event is somehow reflective of heterosexual culture as a whole, or that somehow by accepting/allowing/tolerating that event it's somehow degreading the acceptance of heterosexuals.
Well, maybe that's the problem. I can't look at [pic^] and think "Wow, it would look like lots of fun to hang out with them!" But the couple in the pic above? I could see myself interacting with them at a party. Having a couple beers, making small talk, whipping our shirts off on a balcony for beads or a pic.
You do not have to like me to accept my right to exist. And since when did you have to tolerate something you liked? To tolerate is to put up with something you find distasteful or makes you uncomfortable. Like how you tolerate the crappy music in an elevator or you tolerate it being too hot or too cold outside.

To be equal all we have to be is no worse (or better) than the heterosexual community. To hold us to a HIGHER standard of behavior is prejudicial.

I know what tolerant means. I think you went off on a ramble, and forgot who you were posting to. I don't appreciate a reply to me getting highjacked to spread your rant, so stfu and listen to me for a sec.
I didn't say anything about tolerating anyone. I have NO problem with gays like the hand holding couple. I just think the other guys on the parade float set up like a penis are being idiots.
Lemme try and make a better point...
"I don't care whether you think I'm homophobic or not. That thing in the cape wants to kill us." -Seanbaby
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[dead.juice]

You are misreading the intentions of a highly visible few to from a narrow minded perspective and judging an entire event, with thousands of spectators and participants on a single obstinant and negative assumption.
No, actually. I was just talking about the people in the immediate picture. Stop making this so dramatic.

GAY PRIDE PARADES ARE NOT (necessarily) FOR YOU.

If you are going to use them as an excuse to get all worked up, we'd prefer you not even know they exist. I'd prefer it too. And it doesn't get me worked up, it's just that when I read a thread titled "can you hate gay culture and not be homophobic", that was the first thing I thought of.

Not even Marti Gras is 100% about wanton drunkedness, nudity, and casual sex. It certainly can be if you want it to. There are people that celebrate and dont get involved in the "worst" activities you hear/imagine go on, or even lesser sins that still might offend your -as you called it- "prudish" mind.
I spoke too harsh and to soon about MG, now I look as square as a catholic priest


If you saw me in public on a random day you could not tell I was gay.
Yeah I could. As shallow minded as I appear to be, I'm actually very good at that.

Lastly I see little difference between the pictures you posted and these I found. Sorry for the links...

I never asked for this...

 

[mxfox408]

Like my friend Ezequiel(who is gay) said, "if your born a male act like one, I don't get why all these fucken guys feel the need to act like they are a women or try to be a women just because they are gay. same thing goes for women.I grew up with someone who was a boy you never would have guessed would be gay then suddenly hes acting feminine, that shit is what gives us a bad name. be a fucken man if your a man and be a women if your a women." I laughed so damn hard when he said it because its true. call me stereotyping but that's what it appears to me and him at least ha-ha.

 

[VanillaBean]

I've been debating this for years.

Everytime I try to show sympathy and respect for the gay culture, a good chunk of them come and annoy the crap out of me.

Everytime I watch gay people argue about whether or not they're allowed to be gay, they always use the lamest arguments and make the smallest facts seem like the perfect weapon for a troll. I really wish I didn't have to bash but so many times the gay culture has put it on themselves.

So no I'm not homophobic, but I do believe they are on a constant failing streak of grabbing the straight man's vote.