Poll: Captain America: Civil War -- Choose your side!

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mduncan50

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So seeing people previewing the movie and talking about it in blogs and Youtube and such, one thing that has really hit me is that the sides people are choosing is much more even than I had expected. So I was curious as to where the Escapees stand. Who do you side with, and what is your reasoning.

Personally, I am Team Cap. While I can understand the trepidation that the world may be feeling about super-powered beings, what this comes down to is a draft, bordering on slavery. And I'm not meaning to diminish actual slavery in the real world, but just think that someone born with powers will have their every action from birth to death dictated by the government, or they will be sent to prison on The Raft for refusing. Also, the question of who controls them and for what purposes is a big one. It appears that it is the US military from the trailers, in which case America would be handed the most powerful weapons this side of a nuke, and of course would need to be trusted to use it wisely and above board. And if there's a crisis in a country not allied with the US, then too bad. They're not going to risk their weapons on someone else's behalf. (What's that, you have oil?)

So far as Bucky goes, I do believe that he needs to be brought in, not for punishment, but for psychological help and to make sure that he won't revert back to the Winter Soldier. The trouble is that the impression I get from the trailers is that they're looking to either lock him up in a military prison, or put him in a pine box.

ONE REQUEST: Let's not turn this into an argument whether this is the best movie ever or terrible garbage. None of us have seen the movie yet, so it's a pointless exercise. Also, no need to be taking shots at the DCEU, there are plenty of threads for that, as it is.
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
Anyone who has read the comic should be on Cap's side.
To be fair, they've done a good job of making the viewpoints more balanced than in the comic. Iron Man was very obviously in the wrong in the comic, but here I see where he is coming from and why he's doing what he's doing.
 

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Based on the comic? Cap.

Based on the movie Cap? Cap. Cap, Cap, Cap.

Its a clear bias, its true, but smug Tony lucked the FUCK out with the creation of Vision. He risked creating another, more powerful Ultron and his logic was:


Now taking the threat of an intergalactic attack on Earth seriously? That's a point for Tony. Going behind everyone's backs to crazily mess with tech he has no immediate grounding with, under an extremely short deadline to make a defensive response to future attack? Minus a point. Then, when the tech he was screwing with became the worst thing ever, he did it AGAIN! Minus a point.

So...

Yeah.

Caps judgement I trust more. Tony's science can do miracles but he always has to get his way. Cap can be seen as someone out of his depth with these issues but has less sins than the man who profited from weapon sales for years. I can see why Hank Pym didn't trust Tony with his tech. <.<

But whatever. Haven't seen the movie yet. Just knowing my bias before I go in. XD
 

pookie101

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people with powers so overwhelming they could probably level an entire city in an afternoon, yeah that needs to be registered and controlled.
 

Bob_McMillan

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pookie101 said:
people with powers so overwhelming they could probably level an entire city in an afternoon, yeah that needs to be registered and controlled.
It's funny that two of the three MCU heroes who fit that description aren't even in this movie.
 

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I'm on whatever side Captain 'murica is not.
Mostly because I can't stand that guy and what he represents.
 

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Most people agree that gun owners should have some oversight because they can kill someone.
If someone can level cities by farting too hard, I feel they should have some oversight.
The exact details of what movie Tony wants to do aren't specified yet, so I'll have to wait and see.
 
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I feel if we have some kind of regulation over who can wield equipment with the potential to be very dangerous, like cars or guns, we should have some kind of regulation over people who either are the dangerous equipment themselves (Scarlet Witch for example) or wield even more dangerous equipment (literally anything Tony Stark makes). I don't agree with what they did in the comics and maaaaaaay be doing in the movie which is "agree with us or go to superjail of doom" but something so that people using high explosive arrows, shrink suits or power armour can't go causing damage willy nilly
 

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Kinda tricky to reply exactly given we don't have the whole story with the MCU Civil War, but so far?

On the page - Cap. In the MCU - Cap.

As has been mentioned already, Stark's a bit of an egomaniacal disaster who doesn't mind taking a potshot at playing god. Steve is a veritable beacon of incorruptibility, whilst Tony's--- well, clearly anything but. Sure, he learnt the value of self-sacrifice (something Steve had even as a scrawny kid with no 'power'), but he then went on to act like a bit of a dick in IM3 and then Age Of Ultron. His ethical and moral track record kinda sucks, whereas Cap's is more or less flawless.
Tayh said:
I'm on whatever side Captain 'murica is not.
Mostly because I can't stand that guy and what he represents.
What do you think MCU Cap represents?
 

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Team Cap all the way. I'm probably basing this feeling more on the comics than the films so far but really it's only a matter of degrees of Tony Stark's wrongheadedness. First he fails to notice that his own company was being run by a supervillain for decades. Then he builds a genocidal murder-bot who nearly wipes out humanity.

Plus, the government that is demanding all superheroes register is the same one that had been infiltrated at all levels by actual Nazis for over 60 years without anyone noticing.

Funny thing is, I'd probably be the biggest pro-reg proponent if this were to happen in real life (because y'know, putting on a mask and committing massive property damage is not a right that any citizen of any country actually has).
 

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Bob_McMillan said:
pookie101 said:
people with powers so overwhelming they could probably level an entire city in an afternoon, yeah that needs to be registered and controlled.
It's funny that two of the three MCU heroes who fit that description aren't even in this movie.
Well...you tell the Hulk he has to register.
 

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Really impressed by how balanced this is turning out to be, guess it just goes to show how good of a job Marvel did.
 

mduncan50

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Bob_McMillan said:
Really impressed by how balanced this is turning out to be, guess it just goes to show how good of a job Marvel did.
Seriously, like I said this is what inspired the topic to begin with. And it really seems that everyone is able to kind of see where the other side is coming from, but are pretty convinced that their side is correct.

I'm not sure that the gun comparison necessarily works. In some cases, sure, these people are using weapons (Iron Man, War Machine, Hawkeye, Ant-Man) and you could say they need to be following specific guidelines if they want to continue using those weapons. But what about someone like Scarlet Witch or Spider-man? They are the weapon. They can't just turn it in. And they are being told that so long as they have these powers they must be used as dictated by the government and/or military.
 

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I went with Iron Man. I think that Tony's personal failings perfectly underscore and illustrate why, in a world with super beings, some sort of regulation needs to be established, and I think Tony sees that too. Cap may represent the best of what humanity has to offer, but I think that also blinds him somewhat to the reality that not everyone is going to follow that path, and the results would be disastrous.
 

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If I lived in the MCU I would very much want superheros to be held accountable for their actions. But I would sure as hell not trust politicians with that power. So while I understand Iron Man and even agree with part of his point of view, I have to stand with the Cap.
 
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I'm with the Cap on this one. (And I haven't even seen Age of Ultron yet. Gotta do that before this movie comes out...)

My reasoning is simple: Who the hell do you trust to oversee the Avengers? The government? We saw how well that turned out in Winter Soldier, as well as the council constantly making stupid decisions in the Avengers Assemble movie.

Not to mention that if you blow everyone's secret identifies, it's possible for villains and the mafia and whoever to go after the families of the heroes and either break them, or turn them into their puppets, or just force them to quit.

The best check on the avengers is the avengers themselves. If one of them goes off the rails, the others should be able to take the rogue down and take him in. All this conflict does it make a BUNCH of them go rogue at once, which is a TERRIBLE situation.

Although I REALLY have to take issue with the fact that by doing what he's doing, the Cap is basically proving Stark's point. :s