Poll: Cheating, morally wrong?

[Nozer]

I've always beleived that cheating in a multiplayer game is morally wrong, that you are ruining the experience for everybody else. My natural asumption was that everybody else thought the same, but my recent discussions with some people have pointed me in the other direction. Some people think its not a big deal, "if you don't like it; move server" that they "are just trying to have a laugh".

In this case it depends on the server. You join a server that allows cheats...then cheat or expect to get cheated on (not too sure if that the right terminology but what the hey). Join a normal, average, skill based server and cheats will be out (and banned) on their ass before you can dirtycheatingbarstedscumbagcabbage!

 

[Amnestic]

I cheat in CTF games (Defcon anyone) and in LAN multiplayer games. (Edit: If you could call in 'cheating' in a 'hacking' competition)

However I would never ever cheat in an online gameor a LAN where I didn't know every member I was up against.

The LAN's I play at are a combination of DoS attacks, exploits (you know... what everyone calls "hacking" in the news) and actual gaming. He who cometh out on top wins the day.

"Always cheat, always win"

So IMHO not always wrong, but definitely only in certain situations.

So basically you play the game of "Who can cheat better"? Intriguing.

 

[Gitsnik]

I cheat in CTF games (Defcon anyone) and in LAN multiplayer games. (Edit: If you could call in 'cheating' in a 'hacking' competition)

However I would never ever cheat in an online gameor a LAN where I didn't know every member I was up against.

The LAN's I play at are a combination of DoS attacks, exploits (you know... what everyone calls "hacking" in the news) and actual gaming. He who cometh out on top wins the day.

"Always cheat, always win"

So IMHO not always wrong, but definitely only in certain situations.

So basically you play the game of "Who can cheat better"? Intriguing.

Pretty much.

When you reach the point that you're all really great at fighting each other, you move on. Happens every day in games, you level up and go after harder challenges.

There's only so much "levelling up" you can do in UT matches at LAN's though, so we introduced something else.

 

[DeadlyFred]

It's pretty insolent that anyone would consider cheating "ok" in a public multiplayer environment, but I guess that's a good commentary on the maturity level of some gamers.

 

[mr mcshiznit]

seriously...its called CHEATING....kind of answers its self.but like mods, no those are cool and if you go into a room knowing there is cheating taking place thats your own damn fault and i really have no problem with it.

Ranked matches:Hell NO, you better not cheat
Player Matches:eh...do what you want

 

[Altorin]

Cheating in anything where you are competing against someone else is wrong. By cheating, I mean using means other then those within the rules of the game to improve your odds of winning. For instance, back in the old days of Quake, when one person could easily cheat and and walk through walls/fly by simple typing "god" and "noclip" into the console, if you were playing against someone, then it is wrong to use those things.

If you're playing by yourself however, cheat as much as you want, just don't expect to experience the full experience of playing the game, and expect the game to get old really fast.

I have a friend who cheats on every game he plays. Somehow, he finds that fun. That's all fine, except when he's playing with or against someone else, then he has to man up and not cheat.

 

[PrimeSynergy]

I think if you're doing it to get ahead in a game then yes it's wrong. However, if you're doing it to mess with friends then I don't see the harm in it.......then again, that probably falls on the side of messing around with friends rather than cheating.....

 

[Limos]

I use hacks in Starcraft, but mostly for Comic Mischief, not for winning serious matches. Hell most of the time I sabotage myself for the sake of humor. Like using the worker hack to make all my workers randomly explode. It's hilarious.

Does using hacks for hilarity's sake really count as cheating? Even when I don't use it to win?

 

[geddydisciple]

Does using hacks for hilarity's sake really count as cheating? Even when I don't use it to win?

As long as you dont use it to win serious matches then there is no harm done.

 

[Limos]

Does using hacks for hilarity's sake really count as cheating? Even when I don't use it to win?

As long as you dont use it to win serious matches then there is no harm done.

Usually I just sit back and make snarky comments about the layout of everyones defenses. Or sometimes I use the mineral exploit to build a whole buch of really random stuff and make the map more interesting.

Other People: "Why did you leave groups of Zerglings all over the map?"
Me: "They're Random Encounters, keep going and you'll gain a level."
Other People: "What happens when we gain a level?"
Me: "I start sending Ultralisks."
Other People: "Fuck."

 

[Limos]

Morally wrong? No.

A really douche thing to do and you're a coward for stooping to using cheats to get an advantage? yes.

Seriously, I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Its like Olympians using drugs and hormones to get ahead, except they try to get the gold because that will likely be their main/only accomplishment in life.

Gamers just cheat to get high scores? Or annoy other players? I don't know. For me that's a sign of a weak personality.

What if the Olympian used durgs to get super speed but then used it to dick around during the race and then didn't actually finish? Does that still count?

And I don't do it JUST to annoy other players, I do it because when I started cheating hilarity ensues. And I so love it when hilarity ensues.

 

[klakkat]

While I can't say it's morally wrong, since being a moron is still a right allowed to people, I won't play with such retards. If you have to cheat to beat a game, then you should be doing something else, and if you're just trying to piss people off, then you should go play frogger on the highway.

 

[Limos]

Morally wrong? No.

A really douche thing to do and you're a coward for stooping to using cheats to get an advantage? yes.

Seriously, I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Its like Olympians using drugs and hormones to get ahead, except they try to get the gold because that will likely be their main/only accomplishment in life.

Gamers just cheat to get high scores? Or annoy other players? I don't know. For me that's a sign of a weak personality.

What if the Olympian used durgs to get super speed but then used it to dick around during the race and then didn't actually finish? Does that still count?

And I don't do it JUST to annoy other players, I do it because when I started cheating hilarity ensues. And I so love it when hilarity ensues.

Well that's different from what I'm talking about. If you're just screwing around, then its fine. If its funny, even backstabbing can be okay.

But lets face it, most people don't dick around, they actually use cheats to get an advantage or to get angry responses from people. That makes you an ass, no other way around it.

I guess that makes me a singularly unharmful hacker. A benign tumor if you will.

 

[klakkat]

heh, nice analogy. Yeah, cheating is pretty harmless if you never actually use it to get ahead. If it's a team game (thinking Counterstrike, since that's the one I've played the most) then you can still piss off your own teammates by screwing around, but for different reasons than cheating.

 

[bittman]

Wow, I love the premise of this topic.

Morals are individual. Euthanasia is morally wrong to me, but ok to others. So on that note:

I do find cheating in Multiplayer games morally wrong where it's intentional and planned. Typically cheating in a multiplayer computer game means it is planned, but when someone slaps my wii-mote out of my hand whilst playing Super Smash Bros, I'm not going to take offence to it =P

Of course, just because I find it morally wrong in general doesn't mean it doesn't make me laugh sometimes. Used to be a million cheats on GunZ, but I couldn't stop laughing at my friend when he did an invincibility hack after dying meaning his dead body ran around everywhere.

And I'm not a person who preaches their morals everywhere. Some people get far too serious about things (you should hear some people go on about abortion)

 

[Gitsnik]

Morally wrong? No.

A really douche thing to do and you're a coward for stooping to using cheats to get an advantage? yes.

Seriously, I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Its like Olympians using drugs and hormones to get ahead, except they try to get the gold because that will likely be their main/only accomplishment in life.

Gamers just cheat to get high scores? Or annoy other players? I don't know. For me that's a sign of a weak personality.

Am I the only person who has ever wanted a toked-up olympics? I'd love to see the physical limits of the human being with augmentation. Could we start breaking 5 seconds on the 100metres?! Start lifting a full tonne on our own? The possibilities are almost endless.