Poll: Chick-fil-a owner admits to anti-gay views

[SRSavior]

Direct consequences? Buddy, I do not think it is anyone's personal responsibility to track down how each and every piece of their property they gave away was used. I think that is absolutely insane. I also know this guy is anything but a jerk, he just supports a cause that I have no intention to agree with. And that's fine. In the end, his side will lose and I have no issue with him fighting a losing battle. I do like chicken sandwiches though, so I will buy them. If somebody feels this is a big enough issue for them to vote with their dollar, that's also fine, but I don't think it is.

I don't think it's about whether something's worth it or not, it still makes it immoral to give money and business to someone you don't agree with, just because you want something out of it. That's pretty much the definition of a narcissistic consumer who doesn't care about their own impact on the economy; it doesn't matter how ineffectual or pointless it is. You're subverting your own opinion for your own gain.

And politics is a decidedly outside of the market force. The market is about supply and demand. I demand chicken sandwiches, he supplies them, there is a fair compromise, therefore the market is free (or is it ergo in this case?). If I think his sandwiches are beneath me because he supports a moron of a politician, then I am allowing outside forces to influence my opinion of his product. I don't that's immoral or anything, but it certainly isn't free-market economics.

Just as the Civil War was about economics, so too are gay rights and any other kind of political controversy.

And stop trying to claim our side is about civil rights. It's about state recognition of relationships. That is not a right, it is simply right.

That's where everyone seems to get it wrong. It's not about what you think other people should be allowed to do. You're allowed to do something that someone else isn't, that is recognized by the government and gives benefits to people who choose to get married. The idea that marriage is some kind of ancient "one man, one woman" thing is so ridiculous I won't even go into it. All you need to do is look at the history of marriage in the United States.

In the end, anyone with any intelligence at all should realize that, regardless of what they believe, they can't force their beliefs on another person, or discriminate based on gender, race, whatever. Sexuality is just a much a part of that list as any of them.

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But whatever, my only real point was that I think people who say they don't care what the people they pay money to do with that money... are f*ing morons who are ruining the economy of this country in the first place. At least recognize that you're a douche if you don't care at all about it. I'd rather feel guilty for doing the wrong thing than be apathetic and only looking for what I get out of a transaction.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Yeah, let us boycott anyone who thinks different than us! That's totally the spirit we want this world to be in!
Damn liberals.

...You're kidding right? Because conservatives never boycott anything. I mean imagine if a popular brand of cookie had a pro gay stance, no conservatives would boycott it.

You called?

OT: Wonder how much longer until Christianity goes the way of the thousands of other religions before it... Will be a nice day.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Yeah, let us boycott anyone who thinks different than us! That's totally the spirit we want this world to be in!
Damn liberals.

...You're kidding right? Because conservatives never boycott anything. I mean imagine if a popular brand of cookie had a pro gay stance, no conservatives would boycott it.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Didn't say they do, but don't act like boycotts are a distinctly liberal thing.

Sorry, I just always blame liberals. It's fun for me.
But then again, it IS liberalism that goes with the whole "open, free, democratic world", and this whole boycott business goes completely against that.

Um... The democratic part kind of means it's the right and the responsibility of the People to vote with their actions. Kind of like, you know, making laws and changing policies?

Maybe we need to start teaching what democracy is a little more in schools...

 

[Master_of_Oldskool]

Never really liked Chick-fil-a anyway. I always seem to end up with at least one burnt item when I go there. This just provides extra incentive to stay away.

On a slightly off-topic note, might I point out that "Christian" does not always mean "homophobic?" I've long since converted to atheism, but even when I was big into Jesus I supported same-sex marriage. Obviously there are a lot of jackasses who use Christianity as an excuse to be homophobic, but it's not a basic tenet of the religion.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

*necessary snip*

1. I suppose you track down every dollar you spend then? At some point you must be more concerned for your own livelihood and pleasure than you are about where your dollar goes. This changes when the issue is significant enough to actually be worth throwing a fit about. In my opinion, this guy seems to be relatively decent, he just supports politics I don't. Considering that NOBODY supports politics I do (it would be impossible for me to survive if I only gave my money to fellow libertarians) I am okay with this. He's not slaughtering or murdering, and he certainly isn't delivering the product in a manner I find disagreeable. He's just supporting things I don't. I'm kinda used to that.
2. The civil war was about economics because the south based their economy around slavery. I'm pretty certain that homophobes don't based their economy around homophobia, or the other way around.
3. Rights aren't necessarily about equality, rights are applied equally. Marriage isn't a right, as rights are about preventing interference in your life. State recognition of relationships, which is what marriage is, is the state interfering in your life for the better and not to prevent other sources of interference. Clearly no one has any right to be married, just as they have no right to own a Waverider, at least not in the way you are implying they do.

 

[teebeeohh]

if you don't want your political opinions to impact your business keep them to yourself in public. because they will, in any given field there are so many similar choices for customers that it usually isn't that big a bother to avoid certain companies so if your don't want that keep your mouth shut.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

If you believe in anything remotely controversial to the societal norm then you're a bad person.

People call for a boycott of Oreos because they came out in support of gay rights.
People call for a boycott of Chick-fil-a because they came out in opposition of gay rights.

It's not a one-sided issue like you claim it to be.

And which of them are we supposed to hate? The ignorant morons? Or the other ignorant morons? I just don't know! Apparently I'm supposed to hate chicken and love cookies, but Oreos have never appealed to me and chicken is delicious. Apparently I'm a bad person for that. Oh Escapist, please help me learn how not to hate gay people by learning to love cookies and hate chicken.

 

[aba1]

I still find it odd when people act like if there is a God it would be powerful enough to do anything but not smart enough to know the difference between individuals and a entire nation. As far as protesting this company the idea is mute to begin with because I am Canadian.

 

[Hagi]

Hehe, hilarious thread. Didn't know there were so many willing to stand up for bigotry here on the Escapist.

Just glad I'm living in a country where gay marriage has been legal for a decade and, whilst there certainly still is discrimination, there does seem to be agreement that holding 'anti-gay' opinions makes you an asshole.

Ah well, just another reason why I won't ever be moving to the states.

 

[PinkiePyro]

guess I will boycott them then
not that I ate there frequintly (I did love their lemonaid though)

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Hehe, hilarious thread. Didn't know there were so many willing to stand up for bigotry here on the Escapist.

Clearly you've never read a thread on feminism or immigration. And I'm not standing up for the guy, I just like chicken. IS THAT SO WRONG??? I think it is my natural right to enjoy chicken, and that anyone who would try to stand between me and my chicken is a bigot and a pervert! Scratch that, they're triple-bigot super-perverts!

 

[DocBot]

This is exactly what I thought when I read this. Is this some secret news? The owner and the alot of the fundamentals of the company or heavily Christian. So, while not supported, their anti-gay views aren't exactly surprising.

I find it hilarious that I, as a person who does not care about this, have been insulted for not caring where my money goes by people for whom this was actually news. That's irony right? I'm pretty certain that's irony.

And I was really hoping you were someone who was angry at me for my other comment. I was really hoping to get into an argument about pointless semantics and misleading rhetoric. Those are the best arguments.[/quote]

I can threaten to spit on a dead family member's grave if you like. I just need an old picture and a brief biopic and we can get this hate train rolling!

 

[Romblen]

I already knew that was their view on gay marriage. I just don't care. It doesn't affect the food, and they don't have enough influence to make an impact on the issue. If there is ever a vote in congress on gay marriage, I doubt the opposition would say, "Well I would support gay marraige, but Chick fil a doesn't like it. There goes my vote."

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

And by "discrimination" you mean "lack of public agreement, not voting for "civil rights" you disagree with, and not wanting your kids indoctrinated by "being gay is a-ok" rhetoric in school?
There is no anti-gay discrimination here. You have manufactured what you perceive as a civil right (the "right" for gays to marry, and by extension for all public entities to be forced to consider said marriage valid) and are outraged that anyone would have the audacity to speak against that "right." It's roughly analogous to PETA deciding to campaign to give all horses voting rights - no matter how much PETA may think it's normal, not everyone agrees (in this case, fully half the nation, despite the unrelenting one-sided media barrage) and PETA has no right to enforce their "right" on the rest of us.

You're being argumentative just for the sake of it there. You know as well as I do that those civil rights are awarded to all people, regardless of who they are or what they do or who they fuck; they're allowed to have them. People who say they can't have them are wrong and discriminating because they're taking away rights they should have by all other accounts for bullshit reasons like "American family values".Just because it's a societal construct doesn't mean it's any less valid.

And indoctrinated isn't the phrase to use, being taught not to be a massive fucking **** is more appropriate.

 

[Hagi]

Hehe, hilarious thread. Didn't know there were so many willing to stand up for bigotry here on the Escapist.

Clearly you've never read a thread on feminism or immigration. And I'm not standing up for the guy, I just like chicken. IS THAT SO WRONG??? I think it is my natural right to enjoy chicken, and that anyone who would try to stand between me and my chicken is a bigot and a pervert! Scratch that, they're triple-bigot super-perverts!

Well I have been known to be into a few rather nasty things... *wiggles eyebrows*

But I guess you're right, no worse here than on those threads. Main difference being that I simply don't get this irrational hatred of gays at all whilst I do somewhat understand being unlucky in romantic pursuits time and time again and starting to blame womankind as a whole. It's equally irrational, but somewhat more understandable.

And wouldn't you be able to get chicken elsewhere? That's what I'd do. Or hell, save some money and prepare a meal myself.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

If you believe in anything remotely controversial to the societal norm then you're a bad person.

People call for a boycott of Oreos because they came out in support of gay rights.
People call for a boycott of Chick-fil-a because they came out in opposition of gay rights.

It's not a one-sided issue like you claim it to be.

And which of them are we supposed to hate? The ignorant morons? Or the other ignorant morons?

Whichever group you disagree with, obviously.

Oh, you're good.. real good.

I can threaten to spit on a dead family member's grave if you like. I just need an old picture and a brief biopic and we can get this hate train rolling!

I only knew one of my family members who died, and her grave is in a military graveyard, so I'm pretty certain that is some kind of crime. You probably shouldn't. Besides, there's so many other people on this site for me to have my fun with.