Poll: Circumcision - What is your opinion?

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It's a rite of passage from where I live. If you're not circumcised before you hit puberty, prepare for hell in your social life.

 

[Rensenhito]

I kinda wish I wasn't circumcised. Sure, my girlfriend might think it looks weird, but I think she'd get used to it and I'd probably enjoy sex more...
Also, the principle has to count for something. My parents aren't even particularly religious, so I've always been a bit in the dark about the reasons behind my circumcision. It kinda seems unfair.

 

[Mullahgrrl]

It's a rite of passage from where I live. If you're not circumcised before you hit puberty, prepare for hell in your social life.

Do people walk around with their dicks out where you come from?

 

[EvilPicnic]

What do you mean no proven benefits? I copy/pasted this form a medical journal.
Are there benefits from circumcision?

There are several:

1 Many older men, who have bladder or prostate gland problems, also develop difficulties with their foreskins due to their surgeon's handling, cleaning, and using instruments. Some of these patients will need circumcising. Afterwards it is often astonishing to find some who have never ever seen their glans (knob) exposed before!

2 Some older men develop cancer of the penis - about 1 in 1000 - fairly rare, but tragic if you or your son are in that small statistic. Infant circumcision gives almost 100% protection, and young adult circumcision also gives a large degree of protection.

3 Cancer of the cervix in women is due to the Human Papilloma Virus. It thrives under and on the foreskin from where it can be transmitted during intercourse. An article in the British Medical Journal in April 2002 suggested that at least 20% of cancer of the cervix would be avoided if all men were circumcised. Surely that alone makes it worth doing?

4 Protection against HIV and AIDS. Another British Medical Journal article in May 2000 suggested that circumcised men are 8 times less likely to contract the HIV virus. (It is very important here to say that the risk is still far too high and that condoms and safe sex must be used - this applies also to preventing cancer of the cervix in women who have several partners.)

A BBC television programme in November 2000 showed two Ugandan tribes across the valley from one another. One practised circumcision and had very little AIDS, whereas, it was common in the other tribe, who then also started circumcising. This programme showed how the infection thrived in the lining of the foreskin, making it much easier to pass on.

5 As with HIV, so some protection exists against other sexually transmitted infections. Accordingly, if a condom splits or comes off, there is some protection for the couple. However, the only safe sex is to stick to one partner or abstain.

6 Lots of men, and their partners, prefer the appearance of their penis after circumcision, It is odour-free, it feels cleaner, and they enjoy better sex. Awareness of a good body image is a very important factor in building self confidence.

7 Balanitis is an unpleasant, often recurring, inflammation of the glans. It is quite common and can be prevented by circumcision.

8 Urinary tract infections sometimes occur in babies and can be quite serious. Circumcision in infancy makes it 10 times less likely.

I hope this was informative. I know there are risks but don't say there are no benefits or else they wouldn't do it.

BS BS BS.

You shouldn't believe everything you read.

1 - we're talking about infant circumcision, circumcision for medical reasons (i.e. as an older man) is completely different and is done on a case by case basis.

2 - US Penile cancer rates are approx 1 in 100,000. The death rate in the US due to botched circumcisions is approx 9.1 in 100,000. Work it out.

3,4,5 - STI transmission is reduced by a much greater extent with condom use, where being cut or un-cut makes no difference. Using a condom is much cheaper, more effective and negates the benefits.

6 - Only in certain societies. The opposite is true elsewhere.

7 - Balanitis is usually treated very effectively with topical antibiotics and is in most cases non-serious.

8 - 'Sometimes' is the operative word. Can also mean 'usually never'. A net clinical benefit for circumcision is only likely in boys at high risk of developing a UTI, and this figure is very small.


The research is inconclusive as to health benefits of infant circumcision, and conclusive as to its risk factors. I would like to say, 'if you want to go ahead and do it for social/religious reasons: go ahead' but I can't. Because you can't make the choice, it's made for you. How barbaric.

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[OldRat]

The length bit was a joke not hilarious but I hoped at least smile inducing!

It retracts when soft, not erect it wont go back unless *really* forced which is a bit uncomfortable, but it's never affected my sex life (at least i've never had too many complaints, other "where is it?" "is that it?!" and "put it away!"

There's two possibilities with that. Either you have a tight foreskin, or frenulum breve. But if you're having sex alright, it's probably just tight foreskin. Still, if you like your foreskin, it's entirely possible nowadays to have that treated without circumsion. It's more or less a small incision that will make it looser and gets that problem taken care of.

 

[PunkyMcGee]

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You bring excellent points. I'm sure your all descent people but we're just people on a gaming forum. What do we know on this other than Google searches? If I have a son and the doctor strongly suggests one way or the other I'd go with him/her.

I'd really rather go back to talking about things that are actually fun.

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It's a rite of passage from where I live. If you're not circumcised before you hit puberty, prepare for hell in your social life.

Do people walk around with their dicks out where you come from?

Touche. and the answer is no (as if that wasn't obvious enough).

Remember, kids have a way of getting information on you (who would also be a kid at a time). Be it from peer pressure or something else.

 

[Mcupobob]

Well, time for another dilemma, folks! How do you feel about circumcision? Is it good? Bad? Should it be legal? No? Yes?

Personally, i think i´ll weigh the pros and cons against eachother.

PROS:

Easier to clean.
Lasts longer (during sex)
Reduces risks of some diseases.

CONS:

Loss of about 40-50% pleasure during sex.
More prone to certain diseases.

Now i don´t know about you, but i think we can call this a 50/50 descision, right? It all comes down to what matters the most for you.

But the thing is, that PARENTS can make the descision in many countries, which i think is abhorrent and simply put, wrong, since the practice is irreversible. And if you say "Oh but it can be restored" no, it can´t, not entirely. It can be HEALED, but not restored.

Circumcision is only valid for ONE reason before one hits maturity, and that is a medical condition where the foreskin is to tight around the penis and must be loosened up.

So, my opinion is: If you´re an adult and want to, then fine, good for you. If you´re an adult and you´re about to circumcise a kid, screw you.

What about you?

BONUS DISCUSSION: I find it quite amusing how many people there is that say: "Male circumcision is fine, but Female circumcision is EVUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLL!" I want to ask them a question. Do you believe in equality towards both genders? If yes, shouldn´t male/Female circumcision be just as bad/good as the other?

(For the record, i am aware that female circumcision has MUCH more severe consequences, and i believe it is just as wrong as male circumcision, but this just bugs me. Why scream out for equality when you don´t want it?)

Male circumcision is a style choice. Female circumcision is mutilation with zero benefits. A cruel practice to oppresses women and their sexuality. Equality has nothing to do with how you want your gentiles look.

OT: For my opinion on the matter, I honestly don't care my parents had me circumcised and I'm perfectly happy with the unit I got.

 

[Ultrajoe]

you bring excellent points. I'm sure your all descent people but we're just people on a gaming forum, what do we know on this other than Google searches.

In addition to Google I went to a few blogs, studies and pulled out some old newspaper articles to form an opinion (I actually changed my view on circumcision from a sneer to a reasoned nod) and then discussed what I knew on the merits of fact. Google is fun, but to be a real interwebnaut it takes effort. I now know about the wider health issues solved and caused by circumcision, and more importantly have discovered that we live in a world where any man is willing to swear by Satan that all women like his personal preference of dick haircut. I love humanity.

If I have a son and the doctor strongly suggests one way or the other I'd go with him/her. and that's

I agree, medical professionals are a great source of information and counsel... the thing is that a lot of snip-snips happen because of tradition rather than consultation.

I'd really rather go back to talking about things that are actually fun.

Talking about cocks is fun!

 

[Quazimofo]

to be completely honest, i had no idea what circumcision even was untill sex ed class, because i had always assumed thats just how penises looked. i had no idea it causes less pleasure in sex, but im 15 so i wont care either way (cant miss what you never had ya know?). so to do it as a baby i see no real problem, especially if a medical condition demands it. and as i said, its not like the person will remember the "trauma" (i sure as shit didnt). but i do believe this is one of those things that should be left to the adult when they grow up, to see if they want/need it, unless it is a necessity to do it as a baby; in which case it is not that bad.

 

[Penguinness]

I notice a lot of males saying that they have been circumcised and saying that there's nothing wrong with being circumcised, and that's fine.. but why would you have your child circumcised? If it's not for a medical reason then is it soley because you've had it done? There's been some posts about uncircumcised looking "gross", but really that's down to the area you're from.. in the UK it's the norm. Not sure why so many males don't like the look of other male's uncircumcised penises, but love circumcised ones apparently (that's just from what I've gathered from the various posts I've looked at in this topic).

 

[Hashime]

Now, I would like to make a point about this argument: Everyone is incredibly biased.

Uncircumcised people will hate the idea, they have always been uncircumcised and will view circumcision negatively due to their attachment to their foreskins.

Circumcised people will mostly be people who were always circumcised. They will have never had a memory or sexual experience with a foreskin to compare it to.

There will be those who have experienced both, but since it is basically irreversible they too will be polarized to one side.

 

[Mullahgrrl]

It's a rite of passage from where I live. If you're not circumcised before you hit puberty, prepare for hell in your social life.

Do people walk around with their dicks out where you come from?

Touche. and the answer is no (as if that wasn't obvious enough).

Remember, kids have a way of getting information on you (who would also be a kid at a time). Be it from peer pressure or something else.

I could have been wrong, I am shure that there are plenty of jewish nudist colonies out there.

 

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It's a rite of passage from where I live. If you're not circumcised before you hit puberty, prepare for hell in your social life.

Do people walk around with their dicks out where you come from?

Touche. and the answer is no (as if that wasn't obvious enough).

Remember, kids have a way of getting information on you (who would also be a kid at a time). Be it from peer pressure or something else.

I could have been wrong, I am shure that there are plenty of jewish nudist colonies out there.

But I'm not Jewish.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Kinda an aesthetic thing, really. I know girls who wouldn't sleep with an uncirc'd guy. I know it varies by region, but I've grown up with the circumcised penis as the norm. It's not like it functions differently, and sensitivity varies from person to person. The circ'd wang just looks...smoother, cleaner, more upright. The uncircumcised, to me, just looks like it's shy, doesn't want to come out. Just because it's a religious practice doesn't mean it's an insipid one. At this point, it's almost entirely an aesthetic choice.

Oh, and on female mutilation--I prefer to see a nice, beautiful, natural vagina. Piercings, tattoos, sure, fine, they're aesthetic. Sewn shut or missing labia? Not for me, thanks.

 

[Biosophilogical]

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I am now completely furious with you for not including options for every conceivable opinion! (That's sarcatic pink, or Poe's law pink, in case people didn't know).

OT: I voted the 'adults but not babies' one, and I stand by it except for medical reasons (if someone wants to get their baby circumcised for religious reasons, how about waiting until they're old enough to choose their own religion (or lack thereof) before you go altering them physically for it?)

 

[Daveman]

I'm a guy who needed it for medical reasons and ultimately it would have been much better for me if I'd had it as a young child. Therefore I'm very much in favour of childhood circumcision.

tbh all I remember about it is not being able to piss properly or walk properly for 2 weeks and being in constant pain, what's more I've been feeling selfconcious about it forever afterwards. I'd rather have had that when I was a baby. I mean it's not going to be the case for every guy but as my thing is genetic I'm definitely going to get my kid done, just in case more than anything. He won't miss out on anything and he'll be much more comfortable if he just grows up with it that way rather than having it later.

basically, having it at adulthood is too late in many cases.

 

[Jezzascmezza]

I'm not really too concerned.
If someone wants to do it, then they can.
If someone doesn't want to do it, then they don't have to.

 

[Mullahgrrl]

It's a rite of passage from where I live. If you're not circumcised before you hit puberty, prepare for hell in your social life.

Do people walk around with their dicks out where you come from?

Touche. and the answer is no (as if that wasn't obvious enough).

Remember, kids have a way of getting information on you (who would also be a kid at a time). Be it from peer pressure or something else.

I could have been wrong, I am shure that there are plenty of jewish nudist colonies out there.

But I'm not Jewish.

Muslim nudist colonies?