Kimarous said:
was how you were all "You can start hating your parents now." Tell me, oh ye the sensitive one,
I agree that was ill though, anyway I take the lesson for this one, we all have our stupid moments. Still does not take away the truth behind what I said.
SODAssault said:
incal11 said:
but if a few can be convinced in the middle of the flames then it is useful.
"Honey, should we circumcise our little boy when he's born?"
"I dunno, let me go ask a bunch of opinionated people with no medical background on a video game forum."
"You're really going to base a decision of that magnitude based on a flamewar?"
"It's time we faced the facts, honey, we're gonna be horrible parents. Might as well start screwing up now."
Oh my. Did I struck a nerve ?
I was referring to people who stop and think about things, not you.
MelziGurl said:
You argue it all you like, but I am yet to meet a grown adult who was circumsized at birth complain that they wished it was never done.
One did in this thread. Searches for foreskin restauration are surprisingly popular too.
If you were circumsized as a baby then you wouldn't have known anything different to be able to actually say that.
But looking at the studies I've linked to I would have understood, if I wanted to that is.
KingsGambit said:
incal11 said:
Personally I am very distrustful of religious websites as scientific sources
The site lists a bibliography of medical journals and other scientific publications at the bottom of the page from which it drew the summarised statements. It presents medical findings, not religious doctrine. And even in religious texts, it is only described for the significance of Abraham's covenant with the Big Guy, not for any medical reasons.
That's a problem in this kind of topic, it's possible to draw sources from any number of sites who put together chosen studies and make the whole mean anything they want.It's just that the site you use as source having a religious background is not encouraging to me. Because, let's face it, religion and scientificity don't go well together.
You're right though, I can't dismiss it all just because of that, just as you can't dismiss my own sources because they may not suit you. To get around that we could each look at individual scientific articles provided by the other to acknowledge, and so get an overall unbiaised view of the subject.
Some will get less pleasure, others more, most likely there is as little difference as there is a way to measure it.
The prepuce does have a proven crucial role in sexual stimulation, that's why it is not just subjective. If some think they can have more comfort without it they should be able to decide once they are adults, circumcision is unfair to those it most probably make less comfortable.
And regardless of anyone's opinion, it has been practiced for thousands of years and will continue for thousands more. It isn't just a "tradition" as you suggest but does have religious and medical reasons as well.
Yeah, people have been believing the earth was flat for thousand of years after all.
Further, your statement about it increasing chances of infections...there aren't any studies to demonstrate that
http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html
Here's a list of examples, in any cases if proper hygiene is enough to prevent infections in general then circumcision is still not necessary .