Poll: Circumcision

[Jumplion]

And after reading this...I am bit scared about the pain I'll feel..

It's a painful healing process, or so I've been told. Unless you have hemophillia, you should be fine, if a little uncomfortable for a week or so.

Welcome to the dark circu-side

 

[Shycte]

I'm not circumcised, it is not normal here in Sweden.

I strongly disagree with femele circumcision. It is inhuman.

 

[Bagaloo]

Male, not circumcised.
I don't know why anyone would want to be; I understand that its neccesary for medical reasons sometimes, but actually wanting to go through what has been described in this thread as very painful sounds silly to me.

Besides, at a young age my dad very bluntly told me that if I didn't clean my body properly, especially my penis, shit could get real bad, dawg.

Bottom line; circumcision is only neccesary in extreme medical cases, if you can't keep your penis clean with a foreskin, you really deserve the thing to get nasty and drop off.

 

[Gamine]

Very few people in Europe are circumcised, to us it's something only the Jews do. Why most Americans do it despite most being Christian I have no idea. There's no benefit to circumcision and the Bible says nothing about it (but I could be wrong so if someone can pull up a Bible quote, be my guest).

The only reason girls (or guys if you prefer) wouldn't like the sight of it, is they've never seen one so they think it's freakish, when in actual fact, it should be the opposite. A healthy penis should have foreskin. Okay it's a lil droopy and shrivelly-looking but dammit it was there in the first place and doesn't kill ya like an appendix.

Old Testament says do it.

New Testament says it doesn't matter.

Not sure why the Christians cherry-picked the OT verse. Must've been to justify existing tradition.

Doesn't Revelations say something about Heaven not accepting the uncircumcised?

It isn't talking about physical circumcision.

I have thought about this, i wont be circumcising my boys.

 

[DirkGently]

The only medical reason to be circumcised was to reduce the chance of bacteria growing inside the foreskin, which is easily avoid by cleaning it in the shower, which most guys do anyway, so the only reason nowadays is religious, and they're not real good reasons to mutilate a child's genital organs.

(I am not circumcised, but I will be)
For you "DirkGently" and for all the people reading this thread, untill now you are all mainly wrong. Sorry

So this is the thing:

-It is true that being circumcised reduces the chances of catching some kinds of viruses and etc, but this is not the main reason why (not Jewish) people do it!


The main problem is that sometimes, your foreskin is to tight for your penis! And you CAN'T have sex, at least, not without a condom. Because the condom helps your penis to "slide" in the vagina of your partner, without it, when you have an erection, the foreskin doesn't retract at all, and so, you can't enter your penis in your partner's vagina.


That's the reason I will be circumcised, 'cause "on your own"/self-pleasure (as you want...) you cant have pleasure and reach the orgasm, but in SEX..you can't.


And after reading this...I am bit scared about the pain I'll feel..

And yet, most parents mutilate their son's genitals before this would even be an apparent issue.

 

[Jumplion]

And yet, most parents mutilate their son's genitals before this would even be an apparent issue.

Oh god (irony?), let's not get into this again. I vote for a lockage please.

 

[Flying-Emu]

Doesn't Revelations say something about Heaven not accepting the uncircumcised?

It isn't talking about physical circumcision.

I have thought about this, i wont be circumcising my boys.[/quote]

I'm confused.

How does one circumcise the mind?

Also, that would be your interpretation of the Bible's words, not the set-in-stone meaning.

 

[Gamine]

Doesn't Revelations say something about Heaven not accepting the uncircumcised?

It isn't talking about physical circumcision.

I have thought about this, i wont be circumcising my boys.

I'm confused.

How does one circumcise the mind?

Also, that would be your interpretation of the Bible's words, not the set-in-stone meaning.

Phil 3:3: "For we are the true circumcision, who worship God in spirit, and glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh." (RSV)

Otherwise, uncircumcised

 

[Flying-Emu]

Phil 3:3: "For we are the true circumcision, who worship God in spirit, and glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh." (RSV)

Otherwise, uncircumcised

You see, now I interpret that differently. As in, the "true circumcision" just being the worship of the Lord, rather than caring about the physical nature of life. So it doesn't matter if you are circumcised or uncircumcised, as long as you follow the Lord.

 

[Gamine]

Phil 3:3: "For we are the true circumcision, who worship God in spirit, and glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh." (RSV)

Otherwise, uncircumcised

You see, now I interpret that differently. As in, the "true circumcision" just being the worship of the Lord, rather than caring about the physical nature of life. So it doesn't matter if you are circumcised or uncircumcised, as long as you follow the Lord.

Exactly.

 

[KaZZaP]

I sure am glad my parents didn't slice up my penis to please a magical space man.

 

[Doug]

The only medical reason to be circumcised was to reduce the chance of bacteria growing inside the foreskin, which is easily avoid by cleaning it in the shower, which most guys do anyway, so the only reason nowadays is religious, and they're not real good reasons to mutilate a child's genital organs.

(I am not circumcised, but I will be)
For you "DirkGently" and for all the people reading this thread, untill now you are all mainly wrong. Sorry

So this is the thing:

-It is true that being circumcised reduces the chances of catching some kinds of viruses and etc, but this is not the main reason why (not Jewish) people do it!


The main problem is that sometimes, your foreskin is to tight for your penis! And you CAN'T have sex, at least, not without a condom. Because the condom helps your penis to "slide" in the vagina of your partner, without it, when you have an erection, the foreskin doesn't retract at all, and so, you can't enter your penis in your partner's vagina.


That's the reason I will be circumcised, 'cause "on your own"/self-pleasure (as you want...) you cant have pleasure and reach the orgasm, but in SEX..you can't.


And after reading this...I am bit scared about the pain I'll feel..

Foreskin being too tight is a common problem across the world. The different over here is that our doctors aren't scissor happy. Hell, I had trouble with mine when I was young - I couldn't retract the foreskin all the way and it hurt when I tried - did I have to get cut? Nope, Doc just told me I needed to manually pull it all the way back in the bath for a week or two. And it worked. Kind of like exercising in skin and getting to stretch normally.

I'm not saying there aren't cases where circumcision isn't necessary, medically, but the thing is, USA doctors don't understand isn't not necessary to lop the damn thing off all the time. Or they do understand but don't want to lose the fees for the surgery's. That said, if you doc says you need it.

I would say to those who say 'well it prevents problems', well, why not have your toes cut off too? After all, you don't really need them to stand, especially if you have it done young enough to adapt to the change. As a result, no infections or fungus between the toes, and you can buy smaller shoes! Joking, of course, but you can see why us in Europe find your country mad in this regard.

I sure am glad my parents didn't slice up my penis to please a magical space man.

Ah, L.Ron Hubbard?

 

[Jumplion]

I would say to those who say 'well it prevents problems', well, why not have your toes cut off too? After all, you don't really need them to stand, especially if you have it done young enough to adapt to the change. As a result, no infections or fungus between the toes, and you can buy smaller shoes! Joking, of course, but you can see why us in Europe find your country mad in this regard.

Um, I'm pretty sure you need your toes, don't you? I always thought they helped maintain balance for the body, or at least when you need to traverse thin cliff-walks and try to defy death so you don't fall down. Especially when you're running, since they grab into the ground to push you forward. Besides, my pinky toe is so adorable!

 

[Doug]

I would say to those who say 'well it prevents problems', well, why not have your toes cut off too? After all, you don't really need them to stand, especially if you have it done young enough to adapt to the change. As a result, no infections or fungus between the toes, and you can buy smaller shoes! Joking, of course, but you can see why us in Europe find your country mad in this regard.

Um, I'm pretty sure you need your toes, don't you? I always thought they helped maintain balance for the body, or at least when you need to traverse thin cliff-walks and try to defy death so you don't fall down. Especially when you're running, since they grab into the ground to push you forward. Besides, my pinky toe is so adorable!

Well, try walking with you toes lifted off of the ground - I did and it seems to be fine. Alittle off because I had muscles tensed wierdly to lift the toes, but still!

 

[Jumplion]

I would say to those who say 'well it prevents problems', well, why not have your toes cut off too? After all, you don't really need them to stand, especially if you have it done young enough to adapt to the change. As a result, no infections or fungus between the toes, and you can buy smaller shoes! Joking, of course, but you can see why us in Europe find your country mad in this regard.

Um, I'm pretty sure you need your toes, don't you? I always thought they helped maintain balance for the body, or at least when you need to traverse thin cliff-walks and try to defy death so you don't fall down. Especially when you're running, since they grab into the ground to push you forward. Besides, my pinky toe is so adorable!

Well, try walking with you toes lifted off of the ground - I did and it seems to be fine. Alittle off because I had muscles tensed wierdly to lift the toes, but still!

Nah, I think you need your toes Besides, you still need them for running, they dig into the ground to generate friction so you can pull yourself forward.

 

[Doug]

I would say to those who say 'well it prevents problems', well, why not have your toes cut off too? After all, you don't really need them to stand, especially if you have it done young enough to adapt to the change. As a result, no infections or fungus between the toes, and you can buy smaller shoes! Joking, of course, but you can see why us in Europe find your country mad in this regard.

Um, I'm pretty sure you need your toes, don't you? I always thought they helped maintain balance for the body, or at least when you need to traverse thin cliff-walks and try to defy death so you don't fall down. Especially when you're running, since they grab into the ground to push you forward. Besides, my pinky toe is so adorable!

Well, try walking with you toes lifted off of the ground - I did and it seems to be fine. Alittle off because I had muscles tensed wierdly to lift the toes, but still!

Nah, I think you need your toes Besides, you still need them for running, they dig into the ground to generate friction so you can pull yourself forward.

Bah, I say, bah!

 

[Aschenkatza]

I would say to those who say 'well it prevents problems', well, why not have your toes cut off too? After all, you don't really need them to stand, especially if you have it done young enough to adapt to the change. As a result, no infections or fungus between the toes, and you can buy smaller shoes! Joking, of course, but you can see why us in Europe find your country mad in this regard.

Toes are used in balance, they are also there to secure your footing. plus they look cute.

The only medical reason to be circumcised was to reduce the chance of bacteria growing inside the foreskin, which is easily avoid by cleaning it in the shower, which most guys do anyway, so the only reason nowadays is religious, and they're not real good reasons to mutilate a child's genital organs.

and again, I will list the found medical benefits of circumcision:
Medical:
Numerous studies indicate that circumcision decreases the incidence of childhood urinary tract infections (Kinkade et al. 2005) and adult penile cancer (Kinkade et al., 2005; Loughlin, 2005).
There is also strong evidence that circumcision provides increased protection against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS(Auvert et al., 2005; Baeten et al., 2005 Reynolds et al., 2004).
Evidence also suggests that circumcision reduced the risk of genital warts infection but may provide no protection against other STD's, including genital herpes, gonorrhea, and syphillis (MacLean, 2005; Reynolds et al., 2004)
-taken from the text "Our sexuality" by Crooks and Baur [10th edition]

It is NOT just "reducing the chance of bacteria".

Edit: ALSO, Stop calling it mutilation for crying out loud. More than half of those who say they are circumcised don't even remember the procedure. Seeing as it is done not long after your born. It's a medical procedure in a controlled and clean environment.

 

[GothmogII]

I would say to those who say 'well it prevents problems', well, why not have your toes cut off too? After all, you don't really need them to stand, especially if you have it done young enough to adapt to the change. As a result, no infections or fungus between the toes, and you can buy smaller shoes! Joking, of course, but you can see why us in Europe find your country mad in this regard.

Um, I'm pretty sure you need your toes, don't you? I always thought they helped maintain balance for the body, or at least when you need to traverse thin cliff-walks and try to defy death so you don't fall down. Especially when you're running, since they grab into the ground to push you forward. Besides, my pinky toe is so adorable!

Well, try walking with you toes lifted off of the ground - I did and it seems to be fine. Alittle off because I had muscles tensed wierdly to lift the toes, but still!

Nah, I think you need your toes Besides, you still need them for running, they dig into the ground to generate friction so you can pull yourself forward.

Bah, I say, bah!

A better analogy would be cutting off the ear lobes, they don't serve any real use (though aid with warmth/balance is debatable), and hey, cut it off and be free of ear lobe infections forever!