Poll: Concerned for how the eradication of female objectification/sexism is being approached?

[LookAtYouHacker]

That's a harsh judgement. I simply admire the expandability the English language provides. I write about issues constantly, and I know I'm not idiosyncratic when it comes to expandable delineation.

You're also not a stickler for using words correctly.

I find the thought of "regulations" regarding creative writing to be infuriatingly restrictive, especially considering the expandability the English language provides.

Some (for example) have considered Oscar Wilde's diction to be overly analogical/metaphorical, solely due to the words he chooses.

The words I use to formulate my sentences are of my own. If my choices cause some to interpret my diction as disingenuous, then so be it; it's not my problem.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

I think the issue is that you're concerned about the "loud annoying people who jump on topic bandwagons to get fame" and not the serious individuals concerned about real objectification.

As noted, even Anita doesn't think that Faith from Mirror's Edge is a problem.

What we don't like is Ivy from Soul Calibur (and not even old-school Ivy, just the recent Ivy outfits that look both awful and stupid) or stripper Beach Volleyball with giggle physics.

Aya Brea, from Parasite Eve, has a sexy shower scene, but she's still a strong female character - she's a hard cop from New York who shoots monsters.

You can do sexy and still be respectful. That's all that most of us are asking for. The rest - the ones screaming that any sexyness is evil, are just screaming for the attention.

Exactly my point.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

That's a harsh judgement. I simply admire the expandability the English language provides. I write about issues constantly, and I know I'm not idiosyncratic when it comes to expandable delineation.

You're also not a stickler for using words correctly. That makes your diction come off as disingenuous.

The big problem here is trying to separate two very closely related issues.

Also yes, they're challenging to separate. It's also infuriatingly challenging to not come across as a surreptitious misogynist/sexist when confronting such issues.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

I totaly agree with you, and faith is a great female character!

I know.

 

[mattttherman3]

I'm for sluts, frankly I don't care how many people one has sex with, unless they have an STD and do not disclose it to partners. I mean that probably wouldn't be for me seeing as how I am a virgin and all but yeah, who cares, gang bangs? orgies? go for it

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

I'm for sluts, frankly I don't care how many people one has sex with, unless they have an STD and do not disclose it to partners. I mean that probably wouldn't be for me seeing as how I am a virgin and all but yeah, who cares, gang bangs? orgies? go for it

You're entitled to your mindset friend, but that's not what this thread is about.

 

[trophykiller]

As a gay man, I feel there is a certain lack of objectification of male characters. I believe in true equality, so I expect nothing less than tall, classy, sometimes bearded uber-manly men who start with three piece suits that gradually get ripped over the course of the level. Oh, and by the time that rolls around, have some sprinklers on, or something.

This is the way of progress!

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

I think the issue is that you're concerned about the "loud annoying people who jump on topic bandwagons to get fame" and not the serious individuals concerned about real objectification.

As noted, even Anita doesn't think that Faith from Mirror's Edge is a problem.

What we don't like is Ivy from Soul Calibur (and not even old-school Ivy, just the recent Ivy outfits that look both awful and stupid) or stripper Beach Volleyball with giggle physics.

Aya Brea, from Parasite Eve, has a sexy shower scene, but she's still a strong female character - she's a hard cop from New York who shoots monsters.

You can do sexy and still be respectful. That's all that most of us are asking for. The rest - the ones screaming that any sexyness is evil, are just screaming for the attention.

Additionally, Lara Croft was a character admired by many female friends of mine. She was perhaps designed to "pander" to male players, but that didn't override her blatant strength and intelligence.

It's a shame how many believe the new Tomb Raider to be an "evolution," as (from my perspective) I interpret her as a comparative weakling; physically and mentally.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

As a gay man, I feel there is a certain lack of objectification of male characters. I believe in true equality, so I expect nothing less than tall, classy, sometimes bearded uber-manly men who start with three piece suits that gradually get ripped over the course of the level. Oh, and by the time that rolls around, have some sprinklers on, or something.

This is the way of progress!

As a heterosexual man, Prince Of Persia The Sands Of Time springs to mind (or Warrior Within.) His clothing is periodically rendered during progression, and he shows menial facial hair.

He's not uber-manly, but it's something to think about at least.

 

[Mirroga]

Removing such elements in video games is as hard as eradicating chivalry and women immunity (ex. not immune to being punched when pissed at without being called out) in today's society. And I do believe this all has to go. You can't just remove sexism under only one category.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

Removing such elements in video games is as hard as eradicating chivalry and women immunity (ex. not immune to being punched when pissed at without being called out) in today's society. And I do believe this all has to go. You can't just remove sexism under only one category.

Indeed, the issue is so enigmatic/multi-factorial that it's solution is near unattainable.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

Removing such elements in video games is as hard as eradicating chivalry and women immunity (ex. not immune to being punched when pissed at without being called out) in today's society. And I do believe this all has to go. You can't just remove sexism under only one category.

And I confess, I do still internally desire to exhibit chivalry. I know it's sexist, but it's internalized due to the abundance of Disney films within my childhood.

 

[Vault101]

theres nothing wrong with over sexualised charachters

[b/]but not every charachter needs to be over sexualised[/b]

 

[Charli]

Just make sure the men are wearing the same plate-bikini and I'll be satisfied.

No?

Then I will continue to believe what I believe.

I have nothing against 'using sexual overtones'. Nothing. Sexy stuff is awesome when you're in the mood for it.

But they're predominantly catered towards keeping the straight white male as comfortable as possible. I know it's hard to fathom, and yes sadly straight white male is the largest consumer of video games at the moment so catering toward anything else is a risk.
But that doesn't mean it isn't and won't change over time.

So I say just let it change. Because it will. There are people who are fighting towards it.

I have a tendency to over-sexualize my male characters when I draw them...a bit, not a huge amount but I do like me some nice lookin chest on display I must say (Looking at you Dante ol' boy) and that rarely comes into the main market unless there's 2+ sexy women to offset it into being a male power fantasy.
I plan to see my own designs in video games one day. It's going to be hard. Studios and small devs are going to shake their heads at the idea over and over and over because it's not catering toward the largest demographic. But that is the battle ahead.

Those who nay say the sexualization (well the tasteless stuff is pretty terrible, but still) usually have some higher moral/religious agenda driving them on-top of womens interests... and yeah that is the wrong way to move it along.

Don't dis sexualization, get with equalization!

[small]I find some men in dresses kinda hot yo.[/small]

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

Just make sure the men are wearing the same plate-bikini and I'll be satisfied.

No?

Then I will continue to believe what I believe.

I have nothing against 'using sexual overtones'. Nothing. Sexy stuff is awesome when you're in the mood for it.

But they're predominantly catered towards keeping the straight white male as comfortable as possible. I know it's hard to fathom, and yes sadly straight white male is the largest consumer of video games at the moment so catering toward anything else is a risk.
But that doesn't mean it isn't and won't change over time.

So I say just let it change. Because it will. There are people who are fighting towards it.

I have a tendency to over-sexualize my male characters when I draw them...a bit, not a huge amount but I do like me some nice lookin chest on display I must say (Looking at you Dante ol' boy) and that rarely comes into the main market unless there's 2+ sexy women to offset it into being a male power fantasy.
I plan to see my own designs in video games one day. It's going to be hard. Studios and small devs are going to shake their heads at the idea over and over and over because it's not catering toward the largest demographic. But that is the battle ahead.

Those who nay say the sexualization (well the tasteless stuff is pretty terrible, but still) usually have some higher moral/religious agenda driving them on-top of womens interests... and yeah that is the wrong way to move it along.

Don't dis sexualization, get with equalization!

[small]I find some men in dresses kinda hot yo.[/small]

Pertaining to your statements, many advocators of this "justifiable" cause forget to ask what the women actually think. By simply abiding by the motivations of feminism, they believe they're doing unto women a service, when they're just potentially exhorting an abstract form of male privilege by not taking into account the women that (for example) are unaffected by sexualisation. That is (pertaining to you) providing there is equivalence.

I'd be happy to more substantially discuss such issues, but it's 01:40am over here! (I live in England.) So, I bid you all valedictions for now.

 

[Charli]

Pertaining to your statements, many advocators of this "justifiable" cause forget to ask what the women actually think. By simply abiding by the motivations of feminism, they believe they're doing unto women a service, when they're just potentially exhorting an abstract form of male privilege by not taking into account the women that (for example) are unaffected by sexualisation. That is (pertaining to you) providing there is equivalence.

I'd be happy to more substantially discuss such issues, but it's 01:40am over here! (I live in England.) So, I bid you all valedictions for now.

I do understand what you're saying just more sophisticated then I could possibly describe. It's a tricky thing to drive home.

I too am a Brition but happen to be a bit of night owl. So I'll likely be crawling to my bed at 5am wondering why I'm doing this to myself.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

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Pertaining to your statements, many advocators of this "justifiable" cause forget to ask what the women actually think. By simply abiding by the motivations of feminism, they believe they're doing unto women a service, when they're just potentially exhorting an abstract form of male privilege by not taking into account the women that (for example) are unaffected by sexualisation. That is (pertaining to you) providing there is equivalence.

I'd be happy to more substantially discuss such issues, but it's 01:40am over here! (I live in England.) So, I bid you all valedictions for now.

I do understand what you're saying just more sophisticated then I could possibly describe. It's a tricky thing to drive home.

I too am a Brition but happen to be a bit of night owl. So I'll likely be crawling to my bed at 5am wondering why I'm doing this to myself.[/quote]

Haha, my sister does to! She remains awake even longer!

 

[Twilight_guy]

Actually whether or not a character looks attractive or not isn't even the point. It looks likie that on the surface, but the point is whether or not the characters was designed as a sex object, thusly objectified, as noted. Nobody gives 2 shits if your character is sexy. anyone can be sexy. People do care when your putting them in an unnatural situation to be sexy or when there reason for begin is being sexy. Unnatural or discriminatory posing, lack of characterization these are bad things, being sexy is not.

 

[LookAtYouHacker]

Actually whether or not a character looks attractive or not isn't even the point. It looks likie that on the surface, but the point is whether or not the characters was designed as a sex object, thusly objectified, as noted. Nobody gives 2 shits if your character is sexy. anyone can be sexy. People do care when your putting them in an unnatural situation to be sexy or when there reason for begin is being sexy. Unnatural or discriminatory posing, lack of characterization these are bad things, being sexy is not.

Or maybe that's just another illusion...

As you see my friend, your next stop may just be... The Twilight Zone.