Poll: Could you play an MMO if...
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You just described my typical MMO M.O. Anything I need, I can find on enemies or in NPC generated stores. Though I might not be the best person to ask about this, as I'm also the kind of player who tries to solo as much as possible anyways.
Actually I didn't see the part about you asking that question until a second read through your post. Sorry. Also happy to help. Some quick notes though I wouldn't say the game is even remotely good but not because no trading though I can give you some examples of problems caused right now.Nazulu said:
I was in the beta testing for the game and one of the things I got from it was a rare sword that would never be available again. I stopped using this sword because EVERYONE IN THE WORLD KEPT ASKING WHERE TO GET IT. Because there's no trading or auction house or economy at all to get anything you have to ask the person what their item is and where to get it. In the case of rare items you have to go through the infinite pain of telling a thousand people they can never get your awesome weapon.
Oh but my best story is this. One day upon repeating this same message to some hapless person they actually asked where "beta" was. I told him the beta wasn't a place but a time period and that he couldn't get it anymore. This didn't stop him FOLLOWING ME FOR HALF AN HOUR ASKING WHERE THE BETA FOR THE GAME WAS.
I have so many experiences like this it's insane. Simply put if you do this "no economy" thing you should never in existence add rares. Honestly I don't even use the rares I got from that game anymore because people just wouldn't shut up.
*shrugs*
depends on the MMO, i already barely interact with other players to things like the auction house are just 'dump stuff here for a random amount of money' NPC vendors to me.
and since i generally don't worry about farmers i tend to base weather I'll play something or not on mechanics that matter to me, like, combat
depends on the MMO, i already barely interact with other players to things like the auction house are just 'dump stuff here for a random amount of money' NPC vendors to me.
and since i generally don't worry about farmers i tend to base weather I'll play something or not on mechanics that matter to me, like, combat
Didn't think about the loot system either. Maybe certain loot only drops for certain classes in groups. That's a very good point.Twilight_guy said:
Yeah, I hope didn't come of as a smart ass. I do that sometimes.80Maxwell08 said:
Anyway, great post, I wouldn't of thought of that. I mean, it happens in all the MMO's from what I've seen but it would be a lot more common I guess if you couldn't trade 'em.
The only solution I can think of for now is to let all the players know that the drops could fall of any monster. Of course the higher the level the better the drop. Hopefully there's a better way to deal with it though.
Well, I wouldn't mind if regular trading systems were abolished in order to try to promote more interaction. Perhaps have a service-based economy? Have certain circumstances in which PC interaction promoted drops and the like?
...Or, you know, don't have the game be equipment-based? That'd work, too.
...Or, you know, don't have the game be equipment-based? That'd work, too.
I see pretty much no problem with it. Then again, I'm the guy that's waiting for multiplayer games(not MMOs though) to stop using chat systems.
Why would you ever need a chat system in MOBAs or FPS games? Are they expecting me to have insightful discussions with other people? Really?
Why would you ever need a chat system in MOBAs or FPS games? Are they expecting me to have insightful discussions with other people? Really?
I like auction halls in MMOs when they are reasonable(which isn't very often). I would like to see MMOs that regulate their auction halls. I heard that Star Wars: TOR has a very regulated market, in that they supposedly stop people from getting edges in the market to make extra money by buying up everything and selling it for high prices.Nazulu said:
I admit I did that a few times when I played WoW, but I did it because I always ended up undercut on my prices usually by five levels to the effect that people were doing it to a point that they were taking losses by how low they were selling their stuff.
I would say one of the worst action halls I've used is in Lord of the Rings Online. Now you catch it at a good time you can get stuff at good prices, but 90% of the time everything is way overpriced usually 1000% or more over a reasonable price.
Example:
Dyes are created by players that are scholars as part of their three professions. Items to create the dyes are acquired by the farming and prospecting professions, plus things found out in the world and on enemies. With just a tiny bit of effort, all can be got easily.
On the server I'm on, even the basic color dyes are being sold for 100 to 150 silvers per single use dye bottle. So for low level characters, it can take at least an hour or more of play to get the money to get one.
The higher the tier dye the more expensive it is. There was a certain blue dye I wanted for my Lore-Master's outfit and I needed five for all the pieces I wanted to dye. It turned out that it was 300 silvers per bottle, so it was 1 gold 500 silvers to get those five bottles. To give a relation, in WoW's currency system, that would be 15 gold.
The most expensive dyes I've seen on the LotRO's auction hall are black at 500 silvers per bottle and crimson at 1 gold per bottle. If you were to work to get a whole crimson outfit in the beginning, 5 to 6 pieces, it will take at least a week of play at low levels to get the 5 to 6 gold to get it. That estimate factors in at least 3 hours of gameplay a day.
Finally, comparatively, all other items on the AH are sold like that. I'm not saying people shouldn't have to work for what they get in MMOs, but it shouldn't take a week to get one small section of items, especially cosmetic items. If that week was cut in half, I think it would be much more reasonable.
Maybe so, but they cheapen the experience for themselves, and no one else, so it's not such a pertinent issue that would justify removing the ability to trade.Nazulu said:
Yeah, and by that logic, online banking should be dismantled, because it's always possible for someone to hack into your account, and use your money. It's ludicrous.
Two things that almost every MMO needs, are rewards (because you need a reason to advance in the game), and a way to dispense of your goods (because that backpack/pouch/cargohold can only fit so much), and the most effective way of realizing both of those, is by having economics in the game, to allow you to trade the items that you wish to.
Well, for a start, I think that my 2 month tenure in World of Warcraft would'be been cut severely short, and Eve Online would probably not even exist if it didn't have the marketplace.
I think Battlestar Galactica Online did that. If I'm not mistaken, the only things you can purchase are upgrades for your ships, and there no items in the game to trade with other players. I could be wrong, however, as I haven't played the game since beta, and I have a fuzzy memory of it to begin with.
Edit: I think APB Reloaded doesn't have trading either. It's free-to-play, so you could check that one out as well.
I guess I'm the only one crazy enough to always go looking for my own ingrediants. The further this thread goes the more I agree that there probably should be at least trading for little things. Even though you could make it so you can buy a lot of the ingrediants. Or even do quests to get those ingrediants.Sonic Doctor said:
It would need an in-depth and balanced crafting system to let you take advantage of dropped items, and a game that worked without much itemisation. Ironically I think Diablo III comes closest to this.
Edit: I've just realised the only MMO I played for any length of time was City of Heroes and that had almost no itemisation at all.
Edit: I've just realised the only MMO I played for any length of time was City of Heroes and that had almost no itemisation at all.
Actually, many players always complain about farmers and bots because they believe they should have to play it fair as well. It's the fact that they pass honest players with minimal effort that people find annoying, and they are sometimes known for the increase in prices as well.Spitfire said:
As for the comparison between gaming and not so big money making MMO's, they work differently. I can understand though, but I, and I'm sure many others could play mainly for the game play and not so much the rewards and trading. We still get the rewards though, and instead you could trade small items still but nothing epic, would that still be OK?
And thanks for mentioning one. I'll go check it out.
Mate, I have an option that recommends I go back to the looney bin, it's alright.denseWorm said:
Plus I've been recommended some MMO's that supposedly have something similar. You never know, it might be even more effective.
And what do you bad design and not intentional farmer-combating?
[x]depends.
This would have to be a game where trading or dropping wouldn't be needed for some Reason. I can't imagine a System in which i can not grind some "money" to do something for my Clan, my toon or something. No helping noobs out with little items that are immensly useful to them but are scraps for your highleveltoon?
No getting any stuff to create something useful?
I can't imagine such a game with nothing to "have" for you. Even if you made a tetris mmo you'd wanna have straightline blocks.
But i can't discount the possibility. Maybe that "trading" is done in a way that wont require items to change hands. Maybe we'll just operate on each other and put ability enhancing into each others Asses. I dunno.
This would have to be a game where trading or dropping wouldn't be needed for some Reason. I can't imagine a System in which i can not grind some "money" to do something for my Clan, my toon or something. No helping noobs out with little items that are immensly useful to them but are scraps for your highleveltoon?
No getting any stuff to create something useful?
I can't imagine such a game with nothing to "have" for you. Even if you made a tetris mmo you'd wanna have straightline blocks.
But i can't discount the possibility. Maybe that "trading" is done in a way that wont require items to change hands. Maybe we'll just operate on each other and put ability enhancing into each others Asses. I dunno.