Poll: Dammit postmen!

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Sparrow

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For those of you in the UK, or atleast England, you may have heard about the postal strikes. I was rather miffed at the fact that the strike has delayed my delievery of Borderlands, so I decided that it would be worth a go checking into why the "Communication Workers Union" was miffed with Royal Mail.

After doing some research, which entailed of Googling "postal strikes", the only real reason I could find for the strikes was that the workers want the profits "being linked to the firm's success". Do these people not know we're in a recession or something? I don't know how they can fathom wanting more pay even though the UK is slowly losing money.

Of course, I'm probally bias. I'm always bias. So, I want to know what everyone else thinks. And not just the UK members of the Escapist either. Do you think the CWU are doing the right thing going on strike? Or do you think otherwise?

[small]Main source: BBC News [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8304537.stm][/small]
 

Timotei

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I'm glad the US postal service is govenrment run, that way they can't strike.

Humanity never ceases to make me facepalm. Also, it's a postal service. Your job is to either organize mail, drive it to the respective location or make people stand in line. If you don't like that job, leave. I'm sure there is someone who is perfectly willing to take your spot you are clearly not content with.
 

Katherine Kerensky

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Aren't they doing it in a certain wayso that it doesn't mean a total stop of mail?
I heard something like that from some news source... so mail may be slower than usual, but it is still going.
 

El Poncho

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Greyfox105 said:
Aren't they doing it in a certain wayso that it doesn't mean a total stop of mail?
I heard something like that from some news source... so mail may be slower than usual, but it is still going.
I think they are bringing in people to do the job during the postal strike.
 

siege_1302

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The ONE time I buy a non-digital version of a game, and look what happens.

It's on order from amazon.co.uk, do they use a courier or am I screwed?
 

Smudge91

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My days the postal strike. I like in stoke and they had a paddy a month pack. It seems the postal service go on strike for any little thing. Its not like their the police who can't by law protest, nurses/doctors/paramedics or firefighters who have a seriously dangerous job and get naf wages.
Also the strike is shooting themselves in the foot as its just giving more buisness' the chance to soak up their buisness and i think there is a distinct lack of sympathy especially at a time when people are losing their jobs or having to take a wage cut, they don't go on strike do they or protest about it.
 

Amnestic

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corroded said:
Essentially, the Royal Mail are making money... which is fair, and the workers are saying they want more money. Lets face it. It's not a massively skilled job, learning streets and posting letters. They complain about modernisation, and how it might reduce jobs. This is a company, they are there to make profit.
Actually you don't really need to learn streets, most every Royal Mail van probably comes with a TomTom these days and the sorting offices have large charts freely available and on display.

Having worked briefly in a Royal Mail sorting office, I can safely say it's one of the most boring jobs available and requires almost no technical skills whatsoever. Any knowledge you need can be picked up the first time you do a job.

GIMME MAH FOOKIN' MAIL YOU LAZY SODS.
 

SnootyEnglishman

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Mail strikes ugh *facepalm*. geesh what's next trashmen strike because a garbage bag broke while they were lifting it into the truck and some garbage got their pants wet and the company wouldnt provide them with fresh knickers? I know that seems a bit far out but it could happen ye never know
 

Trivun

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I'm undecided. On the one hand, despite being a student (and thus automatically a member of a union in the UK), I hate unions. A union of students is fine since we don't go striking or doing anything like that, mostly it's just about organising things to make life easier for students, the resources are there in universities but we don't have to do anything about them. It's nothing like trade unions. Personally, I hate trade unions completely. Fine, I agree that someone needs to look out for the common worker, but in the UK trade unions have way too much power. Thanks, Maggie.

In Leeds right now, we're suffering a binmen strike (since early September and threatening to continue into the New Year) and threats of lecturers striking at university over proposed job cuts. The postal strike is the last straw. Trade unions are the worst thing to happen to this country if you take out the BNP being racist bigots and Labour screwing things up over the past twelve years.

However, I can't complain too much about the postmen. Having seen the binmen strike first hand I know that they're being pretty selfish. The unions have been exposed lying about the reasons for the strike, claiming staff will lose £6000 per year in pay cuts while the actual figure is only £3000 per year. Plus this won't happen until at least December next year due to pay protection schemes being in place through 2010. And the local council has been blamed because it's mostly Tory and Lib Dem, even though Labour councils all over the country are doing the exact same thing. Plus, there are the obvious things, like inherent health risks at allowing rubbish to literally pile up in the streets for months at a time (especially considering they timed it with the arrival of us students, and anyone living in Leeds will agree). So yeah, the binmen are being twats up here. It's grim up North...

But the postal strike? I find that to be more of a conundrum. As I say, I hate unions. But one of my housemates has a father who works as a postman and he appeared on Five News today giving a brief statement. It was part of a feature on the strike and he was one of several postmen who were asked to just sum up their feelings on the strike. He basically said that "they didn't have a choice...they had nowhere else to go". I can pretty much agree with his feelings. The unions have a habit of forcing their members to take strike action when many of the actual members don't agree, and any worker who bothers to turn up to work gets abuse hurled at them and called a 'scab'. But then again, this isn't just pay cuts, it's actual jobs being lost, and as my housemate's dad said on national TV, they really don't have anywhere else to go. I recall my dad losing his job last year. Now, he isn't a postman. He's a contracts manager with all sorts of qualifications and industry awards under his belt. He knows a lot of people and is very well respected in the building industry in the West Midlands. And yet it still took him almost a year to find a new job after he was made redundant. This new job is on pretty much half of what he earned before despite being the same position, and it's at a much smaller company. So imagine what it's like for the postmen who are probably less qualified than my dad, and don't have the same experience and awards or anything as him. It'll be a lot harder for them. So I can see why they would be prepared to take strike action if it meant keeping their jobs.

So overall it's a bit of a morally grey area. On the one hand, they have good reason to strike. On the other hand, is it worth the inconvenience and the cost of striking simply to help out a few people, when there are so many more who will be worse off because of it? I don't like the way unions deal with situations like this, and they need a lot less power. But I can't decide yet what my feelings are on the postal strike. I guess I'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 

Trivun

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SnootyEnglishman said:
Mail strikes ugh *facepalm*. geesh what's next trashmen strike because a garbage bag broke while they were lifting it into the truck and some garbage got their pants wet and the company wouldnt provide them with fresh knickers? I know that seems a bit far out but it could happen ye never know
Hah, while I was typing my obscenely long post you were typing this. The binmen are already striking in my (adopted) city because of pay cuts, though they say they'll lose £6000 per year it's actually only £3000. If anyone is interested in knowing both sides of the argument I direct you to this little article from my university's student newspaper, Leeds Student:

http://www.leedsstudent.org/index.php/ls1/the-big-debate/like-the-strike/597

EDIT: Double post, apologies...