Poll: Daniel Tosh threatens Woman with Gang Rape
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As far as rapejokes I think there should be a dark humor disclaimer. On that note he handled that most poorly.
Hell no, fuck that. Let people be offended. Being offended is a good thing. When you are offended, you are taking in an opinion and realizing that that opinion conflicts sharply enough with your own opinions (opinions that you CHOOSE to have) to cause you to express a dissenting opinion.Without being offended, we wouldn't be able to consider opposing viewpoints and the information that can be gleaned from them. The only truly negative feelings that can come from offense relate to the depressing realization that people think differently than you and have different standards, which are facts people just need to accept as reality if they ever want to possibly convert people with differing opinions (you have to realize the problem exists before you can solve it). HOWEVER, note that the emotion of "offense" is different from the emotion of "disgust". People often confuse the two. Offense is what I described a few sentences ago, while disgust is an automatic reaction that makes you feel physically sick. People will deem offensive things as disgusting, but in reality, no one who isn't a complete pansy gets physically sick because of a statement that conflicts with one's personal views (ie racial slurs). Disgust, unlike offense, always comes with a tangible negative feeling (feeling sick). And even then, usually the same thing can only disgust you the first time you are exposed to it. For example, the first time someone explained The Human Centipede to me, I felt physically sick. However, now I find The Human Centipede an absurd and somewhat funny concept. However, I do wish that The Human Centipede didn't exist so that I would never have had to deal with that initial sickness. The concept of rape offends many people, and some of those people are also disgusted by it. I also wish rape didn't exist. However, rape does exist, and unlike having The Human Centipede described to those who have never heard of it, rape won't stop if we simply stop discussing it. Avoiding being exposed to the concept of rape is counterproductive because it is a problem that needs to be acknowledged before it can be solved. My point is that, in certain situations, people need to be offended in order to have their opinions revised to take new information into account, and if the information that offends them also disgusts them, then they need to be disgusted so they can get over it and revise their opinions. If there were "dark humor disclaimers", that wouldn't prevent "offensive" opinions from existing, it would just be discouraging people from being exposed to new information that exists whether or not they're exposed to it. If you are never exposed to offensive opinions, there is no opportunity to change those opinions through debate.rbstewart7263 said:
Personally, I don't find rape to be funny at all. He's a douche for bringing it up in an act.
My guess is that he wasn't threatening her though. I suspect that like most comedians and I use the word loosely in his case that he was probably attacking what he thought was just a heckler.
It was a horrible way to combat someone but I don't really think there was any truly malicious intent here other than to embarrass someone who was making a scene in some way during his act.
I seriously doubt that he would truly call for the rest of the group to just go and gang-rape her.
My guess is that he wasn't threatening her though. I suspect that like most comedians and I use the word loosely in his case that he was probably attacking what he thought was just a heckler.
It was a horrible way to combat someone but I don't really think there was any truly malicious intent here other than to embarrass someone who was making a scene in some way during his act.
I seriously doubt that he would truly call for the rest of the group to just go and gang-rape her.
It's not us who are deciding it, the person who started this thread as well as "feminist" groups such as Equality Now would like to see this type of humor banned outright because THEY find it offensive. No matter who likes that type of humor, or thinks it's acceptable, they think joking about it or depicting it erotically is unacceptable.Mortai Gravesend said:
Yes, because a comedian means EVERYTHING they say on stage. He wasn't just trying to, ya know, shut up someone who was interrupting his show. And we all know that whatever a comedian says on stage must be what they are like in real life. They aren't trying to be funny at all...Phoenixlight said:
I said this before. I didn't think Tosh handled the situation very well, and it could've been done better without the need to resort to making a gang rape joke. But for you to sit there and act like he MEANT it is beyond stupid. There are comedians who have not gotten in trouble for saying a lot worse.
I never claimed its age gave it validity, simply that it is old and that, given its age, I'm surprised you've never heard it.Mortai Gravesend said:
You don't seem to be understanding what I said. I was probably not descriptive enough, and that is my fault. Allow me to try again: It is a logical extension. If we decide that what one group finds offensive should not be joked about, then we cannot argue that what another group finds offensive can't be joked about. This is because it is likely that both groups take what they find offensive equally seriously. It's not a matter of having a more specific criteria, that is not what the original message is about. This is not a matter of administration, just logic. Now, if the OP had suggested a criteria for what is unacceptable, then we'd have something to talk about. ("Rape is bad" is not a valid criteria)
On the other end, I would task you with coming up with such a criteria that isn't incredibly biased. On top of that, I would need you to explain to those you deny why what they are offended by is lesser than what someone else is offended by. Imagine telling the person who was traumatized by a bad experience with one of his chickens crossing the road that "why did the chicken cross the road" jokes are okay. Instead of banning chicken jokes, would you just tell the person traumatized by it to avoid places where those jokes might come up? If yes, why wouldn't you just do that for all people that are offended by one type of joke or another? No matter what you do in this scenario, you will have created an inequality. An injustice.
That's the point of the original phrase. Not that I terribly well agree with it, but I just wanted to explain it to you.
People are judged by what they say and what they do (as they should be) you don't know that he didn't mean it and the fact that he hasn't made an effort to apologize or anything after the event suggests that he did mean it; it's not stupid at all.snowfi6916 said:
I've never really found rape-jokes to be funny. And if he just said something like, "Sorry if that offended you, but it's not to be taken seriously." Atleast, I hope his jokes aren't to be taken seriously. Well, his catagory is dark-humour and dark-humour is usually quite a dangerous subject to explore because you'll have people like her heavily disagreeing with you.
By the way, nice Poll. Really open to conversation about that. Totally.
PS: I find them funny if used in the right circumstance. Other than that, not at all.
By the way, nice Poll. Really open to conversation about that. Totally.
PS: I find them funny if used in the right circumstance. Other than that, not at all.
You don't negotiate or play nice with hecklers. I'm guessing none of you people know shit about how any of these clubs go.
Wow, what a fair and totally not pointless poll you have there OP.
There's no single subject that is inherently funny or unfunny, simple as that.
There's no single subject that is inherently funny or unfunny, simple as that.
With Tosh's style of comedy, he doesn't actually MEAN anything offensive he says. If you've seen more of what he says, his political and social leanings become rather schizophrenic. Most of the jokes he says that come out offensive aren't actually saying that the subjects themselves are funny, but he instead makes jokes about them to get a rise out of the audience and then joke about those that get worked up about it, like this woman did. In pretty much every sense of the word, he's a troll comedian.
That is a thousand yard head shot with a solid gold comedy rifle.Yomandude said:
It's kind of fucked up, I didn't know Tosh was so funny before watching some of the videos linked from this thread: thanks OP! Stand-up is a performance, not a dialogue, not a debate. Hecklers try to ruin the show for everyone and deserve to get shut down hard.
But he did make an effort to apologize... not a very good one and only for PRs sake but I really hope you don't go to any comedy shows in your life if you cannot tell the difference between jokes and someones opinion. His JOB is people paying him to say really offensive things. If somebody was paying me how much they pay him i'd gladly tell all the dead baby, rape, genocide, racist, and murder jokes I could.Phoenixlight said:
Louis CK a man who is much funnier than Daniel Tosh made a couple of rape jokes in an episode of his FX show in which a heckler kept interrupting him and they were hilarious...its not that rape isnt funny its just that you need the right context and the right joke for it to be so