Poll: Daniel Tosh threatens Woman with Gang Rape

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Adultism

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Wow this thread was misleading. I was expecting to see Tosh up on stage going. "I'm going to rape you with a bunch of other dudes." But instead I find a heckler telling Tosh off and Tosh bashed the heckler just like ANY OTHER COMIC WOULD. As clearly stated Tosh is known for his shock comedy and I doubt he gives one fuck about this thread or you trying to spread it around and make him feel bad, boo hoo. Rape isn't funny within itself, and making jokes about it may be distasteful but some people find that stuff funny.

Also nice poll. I bet you feel real clever about that my friend.

EDIT: I also find Tosh hilarious. Sometimes his jokes shock me but I like that about him. Hes not afraid to offend or have people hate him. Which makes him a GREAT comic in my eyes.
 

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SadakoMoose said:
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She was a heckler.
Would you say the same thing about the black man the guy who played Kramer directed similar hate at? If not, why not?

EDIT: And, FYI, the context of the comedy club doesn't do anything to erase the context of privilege, and I'm not sure why you think it would.
Privilege? Privilege?! What, do you think rape is a crime that only happens to women? Men are automatically in a position of power over women and can rape any woman if they chose to? Women are the only rape victims ever and men are never traumatized by rapes from women? What the fuck is wrong with you?! Not only are you making a completely retarded point, but you're also comparing two completely different situations that have very, VERY little do with each other! Stop typing. Please. You've already proven you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
You're a Men's Rights activist, aren't you?
Please, tell me what it feels like to be a woman walking down the street at night when all of a sudden you see a man walking towards you. Describe the feeling of tension, and suspicion. The feeling you get when you realize that you cannot even walk down the street and have a sense of security, simply because you were born a woman.
When you hear your own mom describing these feelings, it begins to hit home.
Wow if that kinda stuff actually happens to you you have some serious problems and you need to see a doctor, seriously this thread is stupid but it seems like the way you are acting you need help, also you're trying to troll anyone who doesn't agree with you which is immature ESPECIALLY on this forum.
 

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I loved Curtis Luciani's response [http://austin.culturemap.com/newsdetail/07-12-12-14-37-the-best-response-weve-heard-to-daniel-toshs-misquoted-rape-jokes/] to this:
Let's imagine a world in which women cut men's dicks off. Like, frequently. To the extent that one in five men has had his dick cut off by a woman or had a woman attempt to cut his dick off.

(I apologize immediately if it sounds like I'm being flip. I am not being flip. Imagine the pain and shame and humiliation of someone cutting your dick off. Imagine it in earnest.)

Sometimes it's a clear-cut case where a woman attacks you in the street, out of nowhere, and cuts your dick off. But more often it's a situation where you actually know the woman, maybe you trust her, maybe you think everything's okay, and then one day she cuts your dick off.

Still with me? This is going to take a while. I'll tell you when I'm done. (And if you think I'm being insufferably self-righteous: Good news, you don't have to read this!)

Okay, now let's also say that the shame and guilt around having your dick cut off is so strong that many dick-cuttings go completely unreported. After all, someone is likely to raise the question of whether or not you were "asking for it" in one way or another. And if you do accuse a woman of cutting your dick off, you can expect to see people (quite naturally) rally to her defense and slander your character in response.

You can expect to see her friends... who are maybe also friends or yours... shrug their shoulders and say "Well, I don't know, it's complicated... it sounds like something was just happening between the two of them and maybe it got out of hand. I dunno. But I know that Sarah's not a bad gal. I know she would never, like, MALICIOUSLY cut a dude's dick off."

So, a shitty state of affairs for the men-folk of our imaginary world, yes?

Now imagine that in this world, something like 90 percent of professional performing comedians are women. And they've accepted that there are certain codes of behavior when it comes to comedy. Most people who "like comedy" generally accept the premise that there are no subject areas that cannot be somehow given a comic treatment, but it is also accepted, as a practical rule, that as the subject gets more troubling, more intense, more painful, a more skilled approach is necessary to find the humor in it.

However, it is also accepted that people are people and they are going to have authentic responses to things. It is accepted, for example, that you probably should not go in front of an audience that contains several black people and start tossing around the n-word unless you have an EXCEPTIONALLY sophisticated and road-tested routine built around it, one that you are confident will overcome the very significant risk you are incurring. If a comedian did this and did NOT overcome the risk, no one would be shocked if the audience shouted her down and stormed her out of the club, nor would anyone be particularly eager to defend her.

HOWEVER, there's this ONE thing. Many of the comediennes of this world have this ONE little sticking point. One little thing. It just IRKS the hell out of them that they can't seem to make jokes about cutting dicks off without some whiny pussy male in the audience throwing a shit fit about it!

Now, sure, there's a few comediennes at the top of their game who can pull it off. Their approach is skillful, and they somehow make the joke without minimalizing or trivializing the actual pain involved. But then the rest of them think, "Well, geez, if they can do it, why can't I? It's not fair, darn it! I should be able to work with the same material as someone much better than me and get the same result and not make anyone hate me or say mean things about me on the Internet! Waaaaahhh!

"I mean, after all, do that many men REALLY get their dicks cut off? I've heard the statistic, but that's probably overblown. And I bet a lot of them were asking for it. I mean, in any case, there's a lot of grey area. I know one thing for sure: none of the men I KNOW has ever had his dick cut off. If they had, they would tell me, right? I mean, right? And besides, there's a principle at stake here. I AM AN ARTIST. I should be able to say whatever shitty thing I want, and people should be able to suppress their authentic response to it!

"And if they DON'T suppress their authentic response to it: why, that's censorship or something! Besides, I know this and that example of a time where a comedienne I know made a joke that wasn't even ABOUT dick-cutting, and some whiny pussy dude got upset about it anyway! It's just these humorless masculinists! They can't take a joke about anything anyway. So, since I can think of examples where a comedienne was unfairly criticized by someone without a sense of humor, this must be what happens in all cases."

Okay, I think we see what I'm getting at here.

Fine, yes, WHAT-THE-FUCK-EVER. I will concede the following points that every comedian wants us all so badly to concede:

1) Theoretically, there is no subject that should be considered off-limits for humor.

2) There will always be some example where a performer of extremely high skill can take something very painful and make it work.

But...

Here's what YOU need to understand:

1) Rape is way, WAY more prevalent than you seem to think it is. Are there more than five women in your audience? You do the math, and then you run the little fantasy scenario that I just put together in your head, and you tell me how it feels.

2) I ain't buying any of that "If I can make jokes about genocide, why can't I make jokes about rape?" Horseshit, unless you made those genocide jokes during a gig at the Srebrenica Funny Bone. You got away with making a joke about genocide because your odds of having a holocaust survivor's kid in the audience were pretty fucking low.

And if you did happen to have one in the audience, and he heckled you, walked out, and wrote something nasty on the internet... would you be more likely to be a human being and say "Wow. I can understand why that person's authentic response to what I was doing was so emotional and negative. Maybe my genocide material just isn't good enough to justify the pain that it inflicts. Maybe I need more skill in order to pull this off." Or are you gonna be a lousy piece of shit and say, "Yeah, I apologize, I guess, IF YOU WERE OFFENDED."

Offended hasn't got anything to do with it, moron.

People have wounds, and those wounds are painful. That doesn't have shit to do with the weak concept of "taking offense." If someone talks about Texas being a shitty state, I might "take offense" at that. Fine, whatever. All of us who like comedy are generally in agreement with the idea that "taking offense" is lame, and a comedian should be willing to "offend" whenever he or she wants to.

But causing pain is quite a different fucking matter. Your job as a comedian is to take us through pain, transcend pain, transform pain. And if you don't get that, you are a fucking bully, and I've got zero time for bullies.
 

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SadakoMoose said:
http://breakfastcookie.tumblr.com/post/26879625651/so-a-girl-walks-into-a-comedy-club
http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/07/10/514002/daniel-tosh-gang-rape/

While making rape jokes at a comedy club, Daniel Tosh was told off by a woman who didn't that rape was very funny. He started making jokes about how funny it would be if she was gang raped.
Read the full article

So Tosh then starts making some very generalizing, declarative statements about rape jokes always being funny, how can a rape joke not be funny, rape is hilarious, etc. I don?t know why he was so repetitive about it but I felt provoked because I, for one, DON?T find them funny and never have. So I didnt appreciate Daniel Tosh (or anyone!) telling me I should find them funny. So I yelled out, ?Actually, rape jokes are never funny!?
I did it because, even though being ?disruptive? is against my nature, I felt that sitting there and saying nothing, or leaving quietly, would have been against my values as a person and as a woman. I don?t sit there while someone tells me how I should feel about something as profound and damaging as rape.
After I called out to him, Tosh paused for a moment. Then, he says, ?Wouldn?t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her??
Well, I'm never watching Tosh.0 again...
Then again, I never did...
Hope this shows up on Jezebel...
Really slimy move. Actually, this kind of reminds me of the Kramer incident...
Update: Well, did this story ever get big quick... HuffPo and Think Progress in a very short time! The wonders of social media!
I love how you spun this out of control, you are outright lying about the situation, and you're not giving anyone a chance to explain without your labeling them.

Good work on being a bully.
 

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What a piece of shit; let's see if he still finds it funny after being raped himself.
That would be hilarious. Not for him, obviously, but for everyone else. Have you ever heard of a thing called "schadenfreude"? It means "pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others", to quote Wikipedia. The idea is, basically, that misfortune is funny for everyone except the unfortunate person. It's a concept that not an insignificant amount of humor is based off on. The fact that Tosh uses it doesn't make him a piece of shit; it's actually a very normal thing, especially for a comedian.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
Nothing, NOTHING, is out of bounds when it comes to actual funny comedy.

When it is done right it can be hilarious but when it's done by a dick it isn't amusing in the slightest.

So I couldn't answer your poll because i've heard rape jokes that made me laugh (one that I wasn't expecting caused me to spray coffee on my monitor) as such I find anything to be acceptable when it comes to comedy as long (and this can't be emphasised enough) as long as IT IS DONE RIGHT.
Sorry, but I think rape jokes are not acceptable, and I've never heard a funny one. Can you tell me a rape joke that you think is funny?
 

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I dont feel sorry for people who are offended at comedy clubs. You know whats coming and if you dont like it leave. Dont be rude and not expect the comic to be rude back. She got what was coming to her and that was simple words cause thats what she threw first. No harm, no foul.
 

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TheAztec said:
Rawne1980 said:
Nothing, NOTHING, is out of bounds when it comes to actual funny comedy.

When it is done right it can be hilarious but when it's done by a dick it isn't amusing in the slightest.

So I couldn't answer your poll because i've heard rape jokes that made me laugh (one that I wasn't expecting caused me to spray coffee on my monitor) as such I find anything to be acceptable when it comes to comedy as long (and this can't be emphasised enough) as long as IT IS DONE RIGHT.
Sorry, but I think rape jokes are not acceptable, and I've never heard a funny one. Can you tell me a rape joke that you think is funny?
"4 out of 5 people enjoy gang rape."

"If men fall asleep right after sex, why is it so hard to catch rapists?"

"I really feel bad for pedophiles; they have a hard time fitting in."

"Pedophiles are fucking immature assholes."

Wow, I can't believe I only have 4 rape jokes written on my "Jokes" sticky note on my Android. Give me a minute, I'll find some more. Here we go:

This one's pretty meta: "Rape jokes are never funny. I have never heard a good one. Rape, on the other hand, is hilarious!"
 

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Weird. I didn't find a single one of those funny.

There are comedians out there who don't need to stab knives into these live wires of emotional hurt to be funny. Or when they do, they do it in such a way as to make it funny.

For example: Bill Bailey. In a past show he took the piss out of a major bank for having nazi gold in its bank accounts. You know, the gold the Nazi's pulled from dead Jews teeth. He handled it very deftly: he made the point that the bank was in the wrong, and made the audience laugh at the same time. In a later show he uses a Japanese digital musical instrument called a Tinarywen (SP?) to turn the Swastika into beautiful music. That is good comedy: examining an issue and still making it funny, handling it in almost a dignified way while still tearing it down to make it funny.

This Tosh guy seems like an asshole, and frankly, I will never laugh at an asshole. If he can't handle the material appropriately, he should get of the damn stage and let funnier people do it.
 

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Ok, after reading the couple rape joke responses I got I still couldn't find one I found funny. No big surprise, I'm not easily amused. Nor a "feminatzi" - apparently rape is supposed to be even FUNNIER when it happens to a man.

Guess I don't have much of a sense for schadenfreude, which is what most people use as an excuse when laughing to other's misfortune. When someone falls over my first reaction isn't "ha-ha!", it's "ouch". If said person fell over after trying to jump 3 dumpters with a sketaboard I may wish he lost the ability to reproduce. Still not amused.

'Cause, rape isn't something a person brings about themselves so I guess schadenfreude would not apply anyway.
 

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TheAztec said:
Sorry, but I think rape jokes are not acceptable, and I've never heard a funny one. Can you tell me a rape joke that you think is funny?
What are you sorry for?

You don't find them acceptable and I do, it's a difference of opinion and it won't be the first time you disagree with someone.

As for repeating them here, not a chance.

This forum has some overly sensitive folks that report anything they don't like and repeating those jokes will probably get me banned.
 

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TheAztec said:
Rawne1980 said:
Nothing, NOTHING, is out of bounds when it comes to actual funny comedy.

When it is done right it can be hilarious but when it's done by a dick it isn't amusing in the slightest.

So I couldn't answer your poll because i've heard rape jokes that made me laugh (one that I wasn't expecting caused me to spray coffee on my monitor) as such I find anything to be acceptable when it comes to comedy as long (and this can't be emphasised enough) as long as IT IS DONE RIGHT.
Sorry, but I think rape jokes are not acceptable, and I've never heard a funny one. Can you tell me a rape joke that you think is funny?
I'll use the Louis C.K. one that I used before.

"I think raping a woman is wrong... unless I'm trying to fuck her and she won't let me."
 

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Some people have cited Louis CK, but I'm going to let the late Master Carlin handle this one for me.
Also, real dickmove making a poll in which no one can disagree with you, no matter how right you think you are.
 

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dunam said:
Sylocat said:
Here's what you're missing:


Your complaint is the skill with which the jokes are delivered. We haven't even seen or heard the jokes, so we can't comment on that. Tone of voice, body language, it's all part of it. Both his and hers. The only body language and voice context we have is the kramer guy from Seinfeld's video and that is a horrible context: His voice and body language are hateful, angryda

We don't know the situation of tone of voice and body language for Tosh and the woman who heckled. She may have had a very balanced, polite interruption (think morgan freeman), she may have sounded crazy and unbalanced (think ms. crabtree from southpark).

Things like this make all the difference.

But if we were to agree that skill matters we come to the next hurdle: How can a comedian get a good well-tested rape routine, if you can only do a rape routine if it's well-tested?

How can a comedian become a good dark humor comedian if he doesn't dare first be a bad dark humor comedian?

As for your appeal to emotion it doesn't hold for me. The prevalence of rape isn't part of the equation. Nobody is speaking out in favor of rape. Nobody is saying rape is fine or natural. That's why it's such a non-issue to talk about it. Our morals are aligned: we all think rape is horrible.

That was why it was funny when he said "Rape is hilarious". Because everyone knows it's horrible.

We could definitely talk about how we can prevent rape in the future. But a comedy club is not the place for that. That's where we talk about how we can stop the prevention, because it's making it harder to rape people.

Sorry if you don't find this very funny, I guess I don't have a well-tested routine yet.
How to get a well-tested routine, huh? Well, here's a hint:

1. Before writing down a joke, ask yourself, "Is this joke more likely to make victims smile, or perpetrators?" The duty of a satirist is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable, and rapists don't need further reassurance [http://dbzer0.com/blog/feminists-dont-think-all-men-are-rapists-rapists-do] (seriously, read that link).

2. Try actually polling some sexual assault victims on the matter. If you know more than half a dozen women, there's probably one of them who has been assaulted. Oh, and if they don't feel comfortable enough around you to admit it, that's a big hint as to whether or not you're qualified. But go ahead and ask. Try respecting their feelings before you ask, and don't act as though they have an obligation to drop everything and provide you with objective unemotional feedback.

3. Scale it back unless and until you become popular enough that people are willing to turn out in droves to see you, specifically, rather than just you as part of a whole lineup of comedians for the night. Sorry, but it's true. In a mixed lineup in front of a mixed crowd, you should tone it down. And if you never achieve that popularity on your own, well, that's a sign that you should stick to topics with less baggage.

4. For the love of all that is good and decent in the world, LISTEN TO FEEDBACK.
 

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daniel tosh isn't funny, this is an accepted fact and anyone who disagrees isn't in on this reality thing.

HOWEVER, even a tool like Mr. Tosh (especially, even) should be able to make whatever joke he wants in a comedy club without anyone batting an eye. likewise, if someone wishes to heckle him, he should be able to turn the joke 'round on them. preferably in a witty way, and not in a "lol you should be raped" way, but seriously this isn't that offensive. if he had said "i'm going to rape you in a parking lot as soon as this show is over" in a completely deadpan voice with a straight face, i could see the issue, but it was very clearly it was a joke.

This planet needs to get higher standards for things to take offense to.
 

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viking97 said:
daniel tosh isn't funny, this is an accepted fact and anyone who disagrees isn't in on this reality thing.
I think you need to read up on how comedy works and the differences in human beings and how they think.