Poll: Dextromethorphan (Robitussin) - Down the rabbit hole

[lacktheknack]

I don't really recreational drugs. (No typos in that sentence.)

I only take Robitussin when I have a cold or cough, but Buckley's is better.



I don't feel the need to experience drug-induced euphoria. "Chasing the buzz" never appealed to me, and one addiction (video games) is enough, thanks.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Cough medicine?

Why not just spring for some Acid or Shrooms.

This kinda reminds me of my days of grating nutmeg.

It's likely that I'll try those at some point. I'm not opposed to them, I just have no earthly idea of where I would get them. I know some shady people that could probably help me out.

As for nutmeg, how was that? I've never done deliriants, (too damn afraid of spiders to do something casually called "spidering out") but I've heard some very interesting stories.

To be honest, contrary to what those wise drug laws say. You're safer with shrooms than cough medicine. I'm not really a fan of the heavily synthesised stuff. Mescaline and shrooms seem to give a cleaner trip. The only real issue is, as you say, getting ahold of them. Societies attitude to natural psychedelics is what's made them dangerous. Because the only real danger with psilocybin containing mushrooms is picking the right ones.

But, depending where you live, you can probably get ahold of a San Pedro, Peyote or Peruvian Torch cacti relatively easily. And most importantly, legally. Then it's just a case of reading up on how to prepare them.

Heck, even Salvia if you're willing to spring the price for it. Because I don't think that's illegal anywhere.

As for nutmeg, I'd avoid it. Being in a state of delerium isn't like being in state of altered perception you'd find with their Serotonergic cousins. It's pretty unpleasant and frankly boring. Not to mention the amount of nutmeg you need to ingest to get any effect is stupid. And it tastes like refried arse.

It is true that the law isn't always based on how safe something is but on chance and public opinion at the time the laws were made.

I've tried salvia. It's an interesting trip. I don't like it that much though. I always feel like there is a bug just buzzing around inside me when I'm on it or that I am covered in ants.

I've heard deliriants are not particularly fun. I've never tried either those or psychedelics although those sound fun. I've heard bad things about deliriants though, both as far as overall mental health and whether it's even fun.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Don't make snide remarks if you don't have the content to back it up. Condescendingly dismissing several paragraphs with a cliche then refusing to back it up is just a bit silly.

Now why'd I do that when we both know nothing but hard experience will convince you otherwise?

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

I will stick to alcohol man, drugs seem a little extreme

Alcohol is a drug. It is actually a fairly hard drug. Even among illegal drugs there are several that are safer than alcohol.

Physical damage it is right up there with recreational Robitussin use. Granted, the high from alcohol is not as strong.

drinking a beer looks better the downing a bottle of cough syrup at the pub bro

When you talked about alcohol I assumed you meant drinking to get drunk. If you're talking about having a beer or two that's a different story entirely. At that quantity alcohol is very safe and pretty much entirely harmless.

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

Why even make this thread to begin with?

What did you seek in it besides enablement?

As always, I sought people who are intelligent enough to back up their statements.

Here's a problem: There are varying degrees of drunkeness. You seem to be working under the assumption that you're either drinking for the taste, or you're getting black out drunk, with nothing in between. That is as wrong as it can get. You can get pretty darned drunk with no lasting effects, especially if you remember to stay hydrated and replenish the stuff your body is losing[footnote]mainly electrolytes, protein, and fat[/footnote] in order to prevent a hangover. Drinking isn't dangerous at all unless you drive drunk/do something else stupid while drunk, or you drink past buzzed, past tipsy, past drunk, past stumbling drunk, and into the territory of blackout drunk. And blackout drunk is /really/ drunk. I had seven drinks[footnote]that's standard alcohol units or whatever the proper term is -- one (average American strength) beer, one shot of hard liquor, or one glass of wine[/footnote] in the course of an hour or two one night, it only got me to the point of stumbling, and I was up in the morning without a trace of a hangover. So hopefully you can see how saying alcohol is just as dangerous as DXM because it's possible to get black out drunk is a bit of a red herring.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Don't make snide remarks if you don't have the content to back it up. Condescendingly dismissing several paragraphs with a cliche then refusing to back it up is just a bit silly.

Now why'd I do that when we both know nothing but hard experience will convince you otherwise?

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

I will stick to alcohol man, drugs seem a little extreme

Alcohol is a drug. It is actually a fairly hard drug. Even among illegal drugs there are several that are safer than alcohol.

Physical damage it is right up there with recreational Robitussin use. Granted, the high from alcohol is not as strong.

drinking a beer looks better the downing a bottle of cough syrup at the pub bro

When you talked about alcohol I assumed you meant drinking to get drunk. If you're talking about having a beer or two that's a different story entirely. At that quantity alcohol is very safe and pretty much entirely harmless.

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

Why even make this thread to begin with?

What did you seek in it besides enablement?

As always, I sought people who are intelligent enough to back up their statements.

Here's a problem: There are varying degrees of drunkeness. You seem to be working under the assumption that you're either drinking for the taste, or you're getting black out drunk, with nothing in between. That is as wrong as it can get. You can get pretty darned drunk with no lasting effects, especially if you remember to stay hydrated and replenish the stuff your body is losing[footnote]mainly electrolytes, protein, and fat[/footnote] in order to prevent a hangover. Drinking isn't dangerous at all unless you drive drunk/do something else stupid while drunk, or you drink past buzzed, past tipsy, past drunk, past stumbling drunk, and into the territory of blackout drunk. And blackout drunk is /really/ drunk. I had seven drinks[footnote]that's standard alcohol units or whatever the proper term is -- one (average American strength) beer, one shot of hard liquor, or one glass of wine[/footnote] in the course of an hour or two one night, it only got me to the point of stumbling, and I was up in the morning without a trace of a hangover. So hopefully you can see how saying alcohol is just as dangerous as DXM because it's possible to get black out drunk is a bit of a red herring.

There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.

Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.

I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.

Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.

I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.

Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.

The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.

I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.

Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.

I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.

Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.

The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.

I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.

That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.

Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.

Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.

I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.

Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.

The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.

I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.

That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.

Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.

It is one full small bottle. Also, when you look at your link almost all of the most serious dangers are qualified as being mostly problems for people who either use ridiculously high doses or who use the drug continuously. I use what is a low end recreational dose and don't use it regularly.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.

Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.

I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.

Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.

The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.

I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.

That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.

Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.

It is one full small bottle. Also, when you look at your link almost all of the most serious dangers are qualified as being mostly problems for people who either use ridiculously high doses or who use the drug continuously. I use what is a low end recreational dose and don't use it regularly.

They also said one recreational dose is equivalent to a full week's bender on alcohol -- which kind of puts a hole in your idea that it's no more dangerous than alcohol. The only reason I'm even posting at this point is because you're evangelizing. There's obviously no convincing you that you're screwing up your body at this point.

Not to mention, it definitely is processed by (and therefore capable of damaging) your liver. Was it you who said it wasn't, or was that someone else? Either way, not cool.

 

[NiPah]

Try to find some less harmful ways to get your jollies off, while I'm sure that dream-like super awesome fun time you had when your brain was randomly firing off neurons was fun and all remember that you only miss what you know.
I've noticed that none of the research you've done mentions anything bad about (lol) recreational drug use, are you just deluding yourself or have you not actually found studies that go against what you want to believe?

 

[SpAc3man]

Looks like everyone is having fun here but to be honest I don't think this topic is in line with what the majority of Escapists would find acceptable discussion on our forums. I realise that DXM is not restricted in any way in the US but the conversation has brought in mention of use of illegal substances. Abuse of pharmacy medicine is not something I want to be seen encouraged on these forums especially as we have a lot of young and impressionable members and I would ask the parties involved to consider moving the conversation to a private group chat or another forum where this topic is acceptable. Beyond my request I will leave final judgement to the moderators who I am sure will be able to make a reasonable judgement on a topic of this nature.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

It can fuck your brain up if you abuse it when your a kid so I stayed away from it. Also I was worried that I would OD on it and ODing on cough syrup just seemed like a sad end to me. (Though now I don't believe you really can OD... maybe)

Now I'm an adult who can get his hands on much better things if he wanted to. So no rabbit hole for me. Besides I despise hallucinogens as I am very certain that I would have a bad trip. I suffer from terrible anxiety and often think of worse case scenarios.

On the other hand since I suffer from anxiety I get things like Xanax. You get a mild euphoria from it and it can be rather pleasant.

To each his own sir

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

There are various degrees of high you can get from DXM depending on how much you take. I could dose myself to be anywhere from buzzed to incredibly high.

Yeah, but realistically, what are you aiming for with this? And how much do you have to take for it to have risks? Because for alcohol you're all the way at the "incredibly high" end before you have to worry about much of anything, and for the most part you aren't getting quite that drunk. With DXM, seems like you're usually aiming for the higher end of the scale, just due to the nature of the beast.

I'm really not anti-drug. I'm just anti-taking-stupid-risks-and-trying-to-justify-it-as-perfectly-safe. I really get the feeling from this thread that you've found a legal drug and are being too un-critical of it because it's legal. As others have noted, a lot of the time the illegal stuff is safer than the legal stuff. This is probably one of those cases.

Of the five possible plateaus of DXM high (1, 2, 3, 4, sigma), a recreational user generally aims for the second plateau. Some people aim for the third, but even that is rare. I accidentally hit the fourth plateau and now I always dose on the low side just because I don't want that happening.

The part that actually hurts the body with DXM is the binders in the medicine. A four fluid ounce dose, a second plateau dose for most human weight ranges, is about as hard on the body as taking five shots of vodka. I don't know how you drink, but if I get to drinking five shots would be a light night.

I'm not being less critical of it because it's legal. I'm actually generally more sketched out by legal drugs. I included that bit about legality so people wouldn't complain about the content of the thread as it pointed out it is not against any rules. DXM specifically is just something that I've researched and determined to be less risky than most people seem to view it. DPH is legal as well, but I'm not planning on spidering out any time soon.

That still begs the question of how much you have to take for it to be dangerous. Four ounces is, what, half a bottle? Two thirds of a bottle? Significantly more than a medicinal dose, anyway. Just seems like there's better alternatives out there. But whatever, it's your body man.

Edit: I mean, <link=http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17894>here's a thread from a very pro-drug forum. Notice how much time they spend on the side effects and the dangers? You're really downplaying this.

It is one full small bottle. Also, when you look at your link almost all of the most serious dangers are qualified as being mostly problems for people who either use ridiculously high doses or who use the drug continuously. I use what is a low end recreational dose and don't use it regularly.

They also said one recreational dose is equivalent to a full week's bender on alcohol -- which kind of puts a hole in your idea that it's no more dangerous than alcohol. The only reason I'm even posting at this point is because you're evangelizing. There's obviously no convincing you that you're screwing up your body at this point.

Not to mention, it definitely is processed by (and therefore capable of damaging) your liver. Was it you who said it wasn't, or was that someone else? Either way, not cool.

Huh. I didn't read to that part. It goes against everything else I've read about the drug, hours of reading from the various sources referenced by wikipedia versus one poster in a thread, but if true that is pretty risky. As it is, I've stopped using the drug with a frequency that is truly dangerous.

Also, I'm not sure if you've ever binged alcohol for a week, but I have. I've also done DXM. The first leaves the body feeling utterly destroyed, you are physically weakened, your liver can actually be in constant pain, you can barely hold a conversation. One dose of DXM doesn't come close. Maybe it's as bad, but if the way your body feels has any bearing on what is worse for you then the two are not even close.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

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It can fuck your brain up if you abuse it when your a kid so I stayed away from it. Also I was worried that I would OD on it and ODing on cough syrup just seemed like a sad end to me. (Though now I don't believe you really can OD... maybe)

Now I'm an adult who can get his hands on much better things if he wanted to. So no rabbit hole for me. Besides I despise hallucinogens as I am very certain that I would have a bad trip. I suffer from terrible anxiety and often think of worse case scenarios.

On the other hand since I suffer from anxiety I get things like Xanax. You get a mild euphoria from it and it can be rather pleasant.

To each his own sir

That is a good point about it fucking your head up if you're a kid. People don't consider how much worse all drugs are on people whose brains aren't fully developed. If you're under sixteen even Washington and Colorado's favorite drug isn't safe for your brain.

You can overdose if you take too much, over the dose you were supposed to take. Also, just taking too much but not enough to overdose can lead to a bad time. My friend drank an 8 fluid ounce bottle instead of a 4 by accident and he wasn't even close to a lethal overdose for his weight but he hit the fourth plateau for around 10 hours and had a very bad time.

If you don't like hallucinogens, it's a very good decision to not try DXM.

Xanax is delightful.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

Imbeciles like you are why I have to present ID when buying fucking cough syrup. Thanks.

 

[barbzilla]

EDIT: Removing post as it really isn't the place to discuss this.

Not sure that the escapist is really the place to discuss this guys. May want to move it to a private group.

 

[Carrots_macduff]

How is it different from say alcohol? Which most people don't consider a drug.

anyone who doesn't consider alcohol a drug, does not understand what a drug is, and has probably learned everything they know about drugs from television and hearsay.

what is hearsay? that's what all you people who talk about drugs without ever trying them are doing. and it makes you look foolish, so stop it

relevant captcha: have an inkling

 

[Dimitriov]

It's really simple, anything that you have to justify with phrases like:

"it's actually pretty safe"
"I know what I'm doing"
"compared to other things..."

is obviously stupid.

The entire point of this thread seems to be pretty blatantly about finding people who agree with you, because you obviously have no intention of stopping. Some posters have made some very good, rational, and entirely reasonable, and even friendly points to you for your consideration... which you managed to rationalize away in a few seconds.

It's your life, but don't kid yourself.

The idea that chemicals enhance moments in your life is ludicrous. As you yourself have said OP the main point of a happy moment is the moment itself (quite true) but then you get lost in some nonsense about "enhancing your emotions." The emotions are the side effect. You are focusing on the side effect, not the your actual life. It's not important and can damage your actual life.

But you don't want to hear it I am sure.