I am much more likely to pick a Japanese style fight scene than a Western style fight. Protagonists from Western Media such as Marcus Felix and Rambo seem weak in character compared to people like Kira Yamato or Heero Yuy. I can list more Japanese games that I like than American. As for why, in order: Japanese fights seem more dynamic with a greater display of skill and power compared to the plain war time gunfights.
Dude, have you ever SEEN First Blood? Rambo is a fucking ninja, using camoflage to hide in the grass, creating deathtraps with sticks and twigs, he barely even fires a gun in that movie I think, he kills most people with knives and shit by sneaking up on them.
The sequels are pretty bad, I would ignore them.
Ya, never liked anime, it all seems so over the top it feels like it's parodying itself. Also, every female anime character looks like the same person to me, just with different hair. It weirds me out.
Everyone seems to recommend First Blood so I probably should watch it, again i did say that i had an extreme bias
As for over the top, I personally like it as it feels more removed from the reality i'm trying to escape. Female characters, well anime has always had issues with female characters for a while so I understand that they would be turnoff but I would argue that the characters are actually quite different between each other.
A thought experiment to illustrate this would be to look at Rie Kugimiya's roles: compare Louise from Familar of Zero and Rise from Persona 4 and see if you can spot differences between the two. Most likely, you will find them to be very different despite having the same actor.
I find it kind of strange how many people are using 90s anime in examples. The new anime are much more streamlined and smooth.
That said i like both. Gundam Wing, Angel Beats, Clannad, Black Lagoon and anime like that... are just great. Western media simply cannot imitate or even get close to it due to the way media is portrayed and produced in Western Culture.
However cartoons and animated cartoons e.g. ninja turtles, transformers, black dynamite, marvel, dc, have things Eastern media cannot produce.
Both have different ways to pass messages on to the reader/viewer and have different messages entirely to pass on. Due to the cultural differences basic human emotions are seen in different lights in both cultures.
So why not like both? Both have different things to convey and do it extremely well.
For the most part I vastly prefer western style games (I'm going to start a fight here by saying that black isle and obsidian >>>>>>>>>> square and square enix), but there are some japanese games I quite like, such as pokemon, fire emblem and custom robo.
Well, I don't watch anime at all, and I have never actually come across an anime visual style that was in any way esthetically pleasant to me. Caustic and totally unenjoyable. But I haven't really watched cartoons at all in the past ten or so years, aside from an occasional episode of something like Bob's Burgers, the Simpsons or something else I enjoyed way in the past. Even Disney, which I adored and secretly wanted to work for when I grew up, lost its appeal to me after the Lion King.
As for films in general, whatever. I've enjoyed movies from countries all over the world, doesn't really matter to me. I prefer Chinese movies with the Mandarin track over Cantonese, just so I can understand what they're saying. That's about it.
On the side of the West, well I am American but that's not a huge factor. I like the action in games and other media to feel coherant and necessary to the plot, which western media usually does well. That being said western media often uses the action as the plot which can be very bad when done poorly. I also the the focus on customization in the case of western games. Having a piece of myself in the game world really helps my investment in the game. The heavy focus on always being the hero tends to grate on me though.
On the side of the East, I like focuses on sublty and character. Games like Dark Souls and Silent Hill are the paragons of these qualities, but there is no need to sing their praises. That being said what I like about western media is in many cases what I dislike about the eastern media. A lot of the fights/action scenes in many Japanese games take place "outside" of the actual world; or simply have no relevance to the plot. It makes me feel like the world is hollow and the game is patronizing me by only allowing me to interact with things that won't interfere with what it wants.
Each side has ups and downs, and no side is superior. It all depends on what you're looking for.
I think both Eastern and Western media can come out with great fight scenes. You have an unfair comparison by using a videogame and an anime. Obviously one is designed to make the audience feel empowered, and the other is supposed to heighten drama.
Also why'd you pick the two crappiest Gundam characters...
Both. While I'm a pretty big fan of anime (and just finished watching Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood), I can acknowledge the pros and cons of both sides.
For example, I find that eastern games/films/shows are distinguished in two ways: in the way that characters are a lot more soulful and introspective than their western counterparts, and in the way humour is injected into situations.
The trade off here is that characters sometimes get a little too soulful and end up being angsty and annoying, a stigma that JRPGs have been saddled with for a long time. In the same way, some of the humour found in eastern works is bound to be lost in translation for western viewers. Fullmetal Alchemist, though fantastic, had its fair share of serious scenes punctuated by wacky shenanigans, and it's a little alienating.
For western works, I've always been more of a fan of the brutal, staccato fight scenes featured in films like the Bourne trilogy and the more recent James Bond films, a style that I will acknowledge has been appearing a lot particularly in South Korean films like Oldboy (oh boy, that hallway fight).
As for culture in general, I find 'eastern' culture fascinating, despite having some reservations about some cultural differences in Japan. I'd love to go there some day.
tl;dr Meh, they're both pretty good I guess. I hate turn-based combat. Bleh.
I go with both!
Fine if I really had to picked then it will be Western animation despite I am a anime fan!
Sure while I have seen far more Eastern animations then Western however those Western animations are more of a classic to me (Samurai Jack, Tom & Jerry, Duck Tales, Looney Toons, Avatar: The Last Airbender etc etc). I'm guess I'm bias seeing I grew up watching Western animation.
Yes, there is a japanophile under the surface, that doesn't mean that I can't like western things or that Japanese media is bad. In fact I love a lot of american things: mass effect, Deus ex, Inception, and various others. I just like a lot more Japanese things. Plus, how is this a surprise? I listed my bias in the beginning and it would seem clear as hell what i am. Also, if you are not going to contribute to this discussion in any meaningful way than through an insult that I fully acknowledge, then stop wasting my time or your own.
P.S. from what little Japanese I know (college semester of Japanese I) Desu does not go at the front and chan in this context would be used to put someone below you by calling them a child so please refrain from errors so blatant that a cursory interent search bring them up.
I think both Eastern and Western media can come out with great fight scenes. You have an unfair comparison by using a videogame and an anime. Obviously one is designed to make the audience feel empowered, and the other is supposed to heighten drama.
Also why'd you pick the two crappiest Gundam characters...
Because I haven't watched the Universal Century, Turn A or Victory, Setsuna F. Seiei is a bit too ideological and the Asuno family is poorly constructed.
Also, you say they are bad but why don't you tell me who is good?
Well, since I don't watch a lot of anime or things like that, I'll pick an entertainment style from which there is a dispute about western styles or eastern styles: Horror.
It pains me to no end when people go on about how Japanese horror is inherently better than Western styles. That's a load of crap.
First off, it's not inherently better. The most famous movies from Japan people often cite as examples are Ju-On and Ringu. While they're decent movies, Ju-On and Ringu are Japan's equivalent to western films like Friday the 13th. Not in terms of the actual film, but in terms of cultural relevance. Just as there are innumerable Jason knockoffs in America, Japan has plenty of little black haired ghost girls in the style of Sadako littering their horror films. It's just that those movies rarely get anywhere overseas.
Others cite artists like Junji Ito. Now, don't get me wrong, I love Ito's work. He's got a perfect understanding of what makes people uncomfortable, and the artistic ability to back it up. But he's not the archetype for all Japanese horror. It's just like anywhere else; there are talented horror masters, and there are ameteurs.
Or, talking video games like Silent Hill. I am a huge Silent Hill fan, but it's about as far from "traditional Japanese horror" as you can get. The Silent Hill series (or at least the first 3 games) takes a lot of inspiration from the movies Session 9 and Jacob's Ladder, both American films.
Now, I'm not trying to say that Western styles are superior; I'm trying to say that the notion that Japan has some kind of forbidden understanding of horror that we pitiful foreigners can never hope to grasp is utterly ridiculous. And I'm not saying that Western styles are flawless, either: Oren Peli's atrocious excuses for horror films are the works of a talentless hack with an undeserved reputation. The Saw movies started with a clever psychological thriller, but quickly devolved into menaningless gore and nonsensical plots. I absolutely love the classic slasher villains like Freddy and Jason, but I love them with full knowledge that almost all of their movies suck.
I guess the sad thing I have to come to terms with as a horror fan is that there's a good 3% of the whole genre that isn't garbage...
Although, if I wanted to toss out my credibility and give a reason why I prefer Western styles...
Well, I don't watch anime at all, and I have never actually come across an anime visual style that was in any way esthetically pleasant to me. Caustic and totally unenjoyable. But I haven't really watched cartoons at all in the past ten or so years, aside from an occasional episode of something like Bob's Burgers, the Simpsons or something else I enjoyed way in the past. Even Disney, which I adored and secretly wanted to work for when I grew up, lost its appeal to me after the Lion King.
As for films in general, whatever. I've enjoyed movies from countries all over the world, doesn't really matter to me. I prefer Chinese movies with the Mandarin track over Cantonese, just so I can understand what they're saying. That's about it.
I take it that your dislike of anime visual styles is based on both your personal opinions and your position as Gearbox's environmental artist?
I surpose that the heavy manga influence style of Jojo's or Attack on Titan can be a bit much. But there are many works that are merely replications of current landscapes. If the thing you have issue with is the slight unreality or washed out colors, I can understand but I personally like the softer colors and simpilar faces
Actually, I've heard you say this for a while now, may I ask what about anime visual styles is "caustic"?
I am much more likely to pick a Japanese style fight scene than a Western style fight. Protagonists from Western Media such as Marcus Felix and Rambo seem weak in character compared to people like Kira Yamato or Heero Yuy. I can list more Japanese games that I like than American. As for why, in order: Japanese fights seem more dynamic with a greater display of skill and power compared to the plain war time gunfights.
Dude, have you ever SEEN First Blood? Rambo is a fucking ninja, using camoflage to hide in the grass, creating deathtraps with sticks and twigs, he barely even fires a gun in that movie I think, he kills most people with knives and shit by sneaking up on them.
The sequels are pretty bad, I would ignore them.
Ya, never liked anime, it all seems so over the top it feels like it's parodying itself. Also, every female anime character looks like the same person to me, just with different hair. It weirds me out.
Everyone seems to recommend First Blood so I probably should watch it, again i did say that i had an extreme bias
As for over the top, I personally like it as it feels more removed from the reality i'm trying to escape. Female characters, well anime has always had issues with female characters for a while so I understand that they would be turnoff but I would argue that the characters are actually quite different between each other.
A thought experiment to illustrate this would be to look at Rie Kugimiya's roles: compare Louise from Familar of Zero and Rise from Persona 4 and see if you can spot differences between the two. Most likely, you will find them to be very different despite having the same actor.
As I remember, in First Blood ( the movie version as in the book Rambo kills without compuncture as I hear) Rambo accidentally kills only one person and that was from the guy not being properly strapped in his helicopter and falls out. As others said, it was pretty much was a anti-war movie.
I am much more likely to pick a Japanese style fight scene than a Western style fight. Protagonists from Western Media such as Marcus Felix and Rambo seem weak in character compared to people like Kira Yamato or Heero Yuy. I can list more Japanese games that I like than American. As for why, in order: Japanese fights seem more dynamic with a greater display of skill and power compared to the plain war time gunfights.
Dude, have you ever SEEN First Blood? Rambo is a fucking ninja, using camoflage to hide in the grass, creating deathtraps with sticks and twigs, he barely even fires a gun in that movie I think, he kills most people with knives and shit by sneaking up on them.
The sequels are pretty bad, I would ignore them.
Ya, never liked anime, it all seems so over the top it feels like it's parodying itself. Also, every female anime character looks like the same person to me, just with different hair. It weirds me out.
Actually, if I remember that movie correctly, the only person that got killed was *light spoilers* the policeman who falls out of the chopper who I guess you could say Rambo was partially responsible for. He does really mess up the others in the ways you just said though.
Back on topic, I'd say I'm on somewhat of a Eastern Bender right now, getting into some anime's and really loving some of the brawlers and hack and slash games. God Hand and Devil May Cry 3, everything by Platinum, Dark Souls. I feel like Japanese game makers 'get' sword and melee combat better whereas western devs are more about guns, and I feel like guns are getting boring.
I like anime as much as the next guy-... well, the next guy that likes anime, but my preference lies in western (European, American) media ultimately. Which isn't too strange seeing as I am Dutch, and thus have been exposed to far more western media than eastern when growing up. As a matter of fact the anime I did get exposed to as a child were series based on famous western novels, like The Wizard of Oz, Heidi, and Peter Pan.
I am much more likely to pick a Japanese style fight scene than a Western style fight. Protagonists from Western Media such as Marcus Felix and Rambo seem weak in character compared to people like Kira Yamato or Heero Yuy. I can list more Japanese games that I like than American. As for why, in order: Japanese fights seem more dynamic with a greater display of skill and power compared to the plain war time gunfights.
Dude, have you ever SEEN First Blood? Rambo is a fucking ninja, using camoflage to hide in the grass, creating deathtraps with sticks and twigs, he barely even fires a gun in that movie I think, he kills most people with knives and shit by sneaking up on them.
The sequels are pretty bad, I would ignore them.
Ya, never liked anime, it all seems so over the top it feels like it's parodying itself. Also, every female anime character looks like the same person to me, just with different hair. It weirds me out.
Everyone seems to recommend First Blood so I probably should watch it, again i did say that i had an extreme bias
As for over the top, I personally like it as it feels more removed from the reality i'm trying to escape. Female characters, well anime has always had issues with female characters for a while so I understand that they would be turnoff but I would argue that the characters are actually quite different between each other.
A thought experiment to illustrate this would be to look at Rie Kugimiya's roles: compare Louise from Familar of Zero and Rise from Persona 4 and see if you can spot differences between the two. Most likely, you will find them to be very different despite having the same actor.
As I remember, in First Blood ( the movie version as in the book Rambo kills without compuncture as I hear) Rambo accidentally kills only one person and that was from the guy not being properly strapped in his helicopter and falls out. As others said, it was pretty much was a anti-war movie.
Two questions, One, why have i not seen this, this sounds perfect, two, how did Rambo become associated with stupid action when First Blood is pretty anti-war?
Well, I don't watch anime at all, and I have never actually come across an anime visual style that was in any way esthetically pleasant to me. Caustic and totally unenjoyable. But I haven't really watched cartoons at all in the past ten or so years, aside from an occasional episode of something like Bob's Burgers, the Simpsons or something else I enjoyed way in the past. Even Disney, which I adored and secretly wanted to work for when I grew up, lost its appeal to me after the Lion King.
As for films in general, whatever. I've enjoyed movies from countries all over the world, doesn't really matter to me. I prefer Chinese movies with the Mandarin track over Cantonese, just so I can understand what they're saying. That's about it.
I take it that your dislike of anime visual styles is based on both your personal opinions and your position as Gearbox's environmental artist?
I surpose that the heavy manga influence style of Jojo's or Attack on Titan can be a bit much. But there are many works that are merely replications of current landscapes. If the thing you have issue with is the slight unreality or washed out colors, I can understand but I personally like the softer colors and simpilar faces
Actually, I've heard you say this for a while now, may I ask what about anime visual styles is "caustic"?
What do you mean? Of course my artistic taste is formed by my personal opinion and experiences. Thinking about my friends from work, I can't name anyone but myself who DOESN'T like anime, so I hope you're not suggesting that there's some industry-wide position everyone who works in games is required to take or something v:
But what I meant by caustic is that it's like, jarring to look at. Especially when the framerate is low and with certain inking, it actually makes my eyes uncomfortable. Kind of the same thing as when I watch a 3d movie with glasses.
I am much more likely to pick a Japanese style fight scene than a Western style fight. Protagonists from Western Media such as Marcus Felix and Rambo seem weak in character compared to people like Kira Yamato or Heero Yuy. I can list more Japanese games that I like than American. As for why, in order: Japanese fights seem more dynamic with a greater display of skill and power compared to the plain war time gunfights.
Dude, have you ever SEEN First Blood? Rambo is a fucking ninja, using camoflage to hide in the grass, creating deathtraps with sticks and twigs, he barely even fires a gun in that movie I think, he kills most people with knives and shit by sneaking up on them.
The sequels are pretty bad, I would ignore them.
Ya, never liked anime, it all seems so over the top it feels like it's parodying itself. Also, every female anime character looks like the same person to me, just with different hair. It weirds me out.
Everyone seems to recommend First Blood so I probably should watch it, again i did say that i had an extreme bias
As for over the top, I personally like it as it feels more removed from the reality i'm trying to escape. Female characters, well anime has always had issues with female characters for a while so I understand that they would be turnoff but I would argue that the characters are actually quite different between each other.
A thought experiment to illustrate this would be to look at Rie Kugimiya's roles: compare Louise from Familar of Zero and Rise from Persona 4 and see if you can spot differences between the two. Most likely, you will find them to be very different despite having the same actor.
As I remember, in First Blood ( the movie version as in the book Rambo kills without compuncture as I hear) Rambo accidentally kills only one person and that was from the guy not being properly strapped in his helicopter and falls out. As others said, it was pretty much was a anti-war movie.
Two questions, One, why have i not seen this, this sounds perfect, two, how did Rambo become associated with stupid action when First Blood is pretty anti-war?
Well, I don't watch anime at all, and I have never actually come across an anime visual style that was in any way esthetically pleasant to me. Caustic and totally unenjoyable. But I haven't really watched cartoons at all in the past ten or so years, aside from an occasional episode of something like Bob's Burgers, the Simpsons or something else I enjoyed way in the past. Even Disney, which I adored and secretly wanted to work for when I grew up, lost its appeal to me after the Lion King.
As for films in general, whatever. I've enjoyed movies from countries all over the world, doesn't really matter to me. I prefer Chinese movies with the Mandarin track over Cantonese, just so I can understand what they're saying. That's about it.
I take it that your dislike of anime visual styles is based on both your personal opinions and your position as Gearbox's environmental artist?
I surpose that the heavy manga influence style of Jojo's or Attack on Titan can be a bit much. But there are many works that are merely replications of current landscapes. If the thing you have issue with is the slight unreality or washed out colors, I can understand but I personally like the softer colors and simpilar faces
Actually, I've heard you say this for a while now, may I ask what about anime visual styles is "caustic"?
What do you mean? Of course my artistic taste is formed by my personal opinion and experiences. Thinking about my friends from work, I can't name anyone but myself who DOESN'T like anime, so I hope you're not suggesting that there's some industry-wide position everyone who works in games is required to take or something v:
But what I meant by caustic is that it's like, jarring to look at. Especially when the framerate is low and with certain inking, it actually makes my eyes uncomfortable. Kind of the same thing as when I watch a 3d movie with glasses.
not suggesting anything like that, Just assumed that the type of games and projects you work on have influnced our tastes. As for the jarring nature, older works tend to be like this due to the hand drawn nature. I has gotten better in recent years but the issues is still there. I can understand if this is the case.
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