Poll: Do you agree with this man's point of view?

[Nouw]

I found this video a while ago and whole-heartedly agreed with it. Not just the Glee-aspect, the bigger picture. You might have seen me post this around here too.

So do you agree? And what's your point of view?

EDIT:Broken Poll is Broken.

 

[Dark Knifer]

Sounds good to me. Using someone else to get glory is hardly an achievment and should be discouraged alot more then it is instead of getting bags of money for someone else's work.

 

[Dags90]

TV as a medium is losing ground, I don't see it becoming a big pusher for music sales. As a means of exposure, yeah movies and TV are both much bigger than they ever were. I just hope we never see people buying song adverts into TV/Movies like the awkward product placements I've seen. Although there are people who think retailers are buying adverts in songs... I probably wouldn't call Glee music completely homogeneous, but it certainly always plays it safe. Really my biggest complaint would be how much the songs clash with the idea of the show. It's more "show tunes covers" than "glee club covers" so it tends to come off as kinda gimmicky.

 

[BonsaiK]

I found this video a while ago and whole-heartedly agreed with it. Not just the Glee-aspect, the bigger picture. You might have seen me post this around here too.

So do you agree? And what's your point of view?

I don't know what Glee is, but Damon's view is not uncommon. Many artists won't license their songs to TV shows, advertising, etc, because it's considered a cheapening of the brand, and any unauthorised use is swiftly followed by lawsuits in a lot of cases. The thinking behind it is that once you license something, you lose control over how that thing is presented, what sort of context it appears in, what sort of message it could be used to send etc... retaining these things means that you retain control over the contexts in which your work appears and that's a very important thing - fans of a group attach themselves to the contexts of music (image, marketing, presentation) as much as they do to the music itself. All these things constitute the "brand", and it pays dividends to keep your branding consistent, especially with such a heavily image-oriented group as Gorillaz where a great deal of work has gone into extraneous elements.

 

[Dags90]

I don't know what Glee is, but Damon's view is not uncommon. Many artists won't license their songs to TV shows, advertising, etc, because it's considered a cheapening of the brand, and any unauthorised use is swiftly followed by lawsuits in a lot of cases. The thinking behind it is that once you license something, you lose control over how that thing is presented, what sort of context it appears in, what sort of message it could be used to send etc... retaining these things means that you retain control over the contexts in which your work appears and that's a very important thing - fans of a group attach themselves to the contexts of music (image, marketing, presentation) as much as they do to the music itself. All these things constitute the "brand", and it pays dividends to keep your branding consistent, especially with such a heavily image-oriented group as Gorillaz where a great deal of work has gone into extraneous elements.

He specifically has issue with Glee though. One of the things that I was reminded of while watching the video was a commercial I saw ages ago with 19-2000 (The Soulchild Remix). I did a quick Google search and found a list of Gorillaz licensing in movies, TV, ads, etc:
http://www.vblurpage.com/info/tv_gorillaz.htm

 

[BonsaiK]

I don't know what Glee is, but Damon's view is not uncommon. Many artists won't license their songs to TV shows, advertising, etc, because it's considered a cheapening of the brand, and any unauthorised use is swiftly followed by lawsuits in a lot of cases. The thinking behind it is that once you license something, you lose control over how that thing is presented, what sort of context it appears in, what sort of message it could be used to send etc... retaining these things means that you retain control over the contexts in which your work appears and that's a very important thing - fans of a group attach themselves to the contexts of music (image, marketing, presentation) as much as they do to the music itself. All these things constitute the "brand", and it pays dividends to keep your branding consistent, especially with such a heavily image-oriented group as Gorillaz where a great deal of work has gone into extraneous elements.

He specifically has issue with Glee though. One of the things that I was reminded of while watching the video was a commercial I saw ages ago with 19-2000 (The Soulchild Remix). I did a quick Google search and found a list of Gorillaz licensing in movies, TV, ads, etc:
http://www.vblurpage.com/info/tv_gorillaz.htm

Well, because I don't really know what Glee is, I can't really comment except to say that I guess Glee crosses a line somewhere for him that the other stuff doesn't - at least in his eyes.

 

[Nouw]

I found this video a while ago and whole-heartedly agreed with it. Not just the Glee-aspect, the bigger picture. You might have seen me post this around here too.

So do you agree? And what's your point of view?

I don't know what Glee is, but Damon's view is not uncommon. Many artists won't license their songs to TV shows, advertising, etc, because it's considered a cheapening of the brand, and any unauthorised use is swiftly followed by lawsuits in a lot of cases. The thinking behind it is that once you license something, you lose control over how that thing is presented, what sort of context it appears in, what sort of message it could be used to send etc... retaining these things means that you retain control over the contexts in which your work appears and that's a very important thing - fans of a group attach themselves to the contexts of music (image, marketing, presentation) as much as they do to the music itself. All these things constitute the "brand", and it pays dividends to keep your branding consistent, especially with such a heavily image-oriented group as Gorillaz where a great deal of work has gone into extraneous elements.

That's good to see. And the usual 'BonsaiK' reply.

 

[Ldude893]

Knowing Damon Albern's counter-culture viewpoints (he founded the Reject False Icons movement sometime before Demon Days was released), I think his opinion is understandable and I do agree with him. The main focus of the TV show is singing covers of popular songs, which is rather unoriginal if you ask me.

 

[Something Amyss]

Don't the Gorillaz have songs on both Guitar Hero and Rock Band?

I own games from both franchises, but his criticism of Glee seems to go right down the same vein.

 

[Substance-E]

Don't the Gorillaz have songs on both Guitar Hero and Rock Band?

I own games from both franchises, but his criticism of Glee seems to go right down the same vein.

If they do it is still the actual song, not some silly musical rehash of it.

 

[TeeBs]

I don't 100% agree with him, I love the guy, fan of Gorillaz, Blur and The Good, The Bad, and The Queen, but I feel that all covers aren't bad. Jeff Buckley for example did a cover of Leonard Cohens song, Hallelujah, and according to most critics, surpassed the original. Though i'm not sure if Damon Albarns opinion expanse to artists who only cover a couple songs, but I think its worth noting that, though I can't think of one cover this guy has done, on his gorillaz b-sides there are more then a good amount of remixes done by several artists. How is this any different then artists who get there songs covered for there recognition?

 

[RatRace123]

This man is a genius! I agree completely, a musical show that features the actors singing (or more realistically, singers acting, god help us all) should find its own identity and write its own songs. Plus that might increase people's opinions on the show, because it wouldn't have the songs being butchered by being sung in a completely different genre.

I also agree that music should stand and gain popularity on its own merit and not as "ohmygodthatsongwastotallyfeaturedongleeandnowIwanttohearmoresongsbythatbandsimplybecauseofmuchIlovegleeohmygodsokawaii!"

 

[Numb1lp]

When he responded "So what", he went from douchy musician to a f*cking boss.

 

[Substance-E]

Sing your own music Glee.

Write your own stuff Puff Daddy, and everyone else who 'samples' others songs. Sample a sound here or there, but not whole songs you lazy *#@$s!!!

As far as having your song in a video game, is selling out? NEWS FLASH! People aren't musicians just so they can write music, they want to make money and live, just like most sane people want to make money and live. I disagree with piggybacking off of others.

There's a difference between making money because enough people like your music and bother to pay for it and making music in order to make money. The second you go down that road it stops being about a personal creative outlet and more "will this song sell?"

 

[crudus]

Don't the Gorillaz have songs on both Guitar Hero and Rock Band?

I own games from both franchises, but his criticism of Glee seems to go right down the same vein.

TV shows tend to take a lot of liberties when putting music on air. They remix it, edit it in various ways, etc. In Rockband, you still have the song in its entirety the way it was meant to be played and heard (also, can't people make their own songs anyway?). Besides, I wouldn't want my art to be associated with Glee regardless.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't know if the outcome will be as bleak as he says, but yeah I agree.

 

[Sacman]

I agree with anything Damon Albarn has to say...<.<
oh yes and never touch his bracelets...<.<

 

[TeeBs]

Don't the Gorillaz have songs on both Guitar Hero and Rock Band?

I own games from both franchises, but his criticism of Glee seems to go right down the same vein.

TV shows tend to take a lot of liberties when putting music on air. They remix it, edit it in various ways, etc. In Rockband, you still have the song in its entirety the way it was meant to be played and heard (also, can't people make their own songs anyway?). Besides, I wouldn't want my art to be associated with Glee regardless.

But, if there is a band that has over done remixes* its gorillaz.

*Barring Linkin Park.

 

[randomsix]

The man has principles, and I respect that.