Poll: Do you believe in the desensitizing effect?

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Therumancer

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I think it's false to be honest, and that while people can become jaded they do not become "desensitized" through things like video games and such. The only way you can truely doe that is through drugs or high level deprogramming techniques.

Truthfully, I think the entire issue is a sociological one. Right now you have a bunch of people in the US who have become over civilized, and over-sensitive, to the point where they become offended by things that are relatively "normal" despite not wanting to see them as such. I think a lot of it is the peace & love junk of the 1960s and how some people conditioned themselves to think of that as a normal state rather tan an alternative point of view.

To put things into perspective, warfare and violence have been around through human history, as has taking great pleasure in such things. While it's downplayed today or portrayed negatively today there is this simple concept known as "Glory" that has fueled massive conquests and acts of violence. It's just how we're wired.

What makes humans differant animals however is that we can control our violent impulses, and understand the benefits of doing so. After all what we can accomplish cooperatively is far greater than what we can achieve by killing each other and knocking everything down.

Look at the third world with less civilization holding things togethers. These bands of warlords and such don't have video games conditioning them to being homicidal maniacs. It's simply the fact that they are in an uncivilized area and nothing has been created that has lasted long enough to get people to curb their violent impulses. Sure you can go into some deep sociological and cultural analysises of say Africa or South/Central America and all the violence and war down in those parts, but the bottom line is that it's part of being human.

I'll also say that I feel violence with children and such is not anything new, nor has it really been increasing. People like to talk about a rise in violent behavior, but in reality I think it's simply a matter of better communication and shared record keeping. When something happens EVERYONE hears about it, compared to how things were just thirty or forty years ago when if some kid killed someone it would have just become a little local legend, locked away in paper archives. Heck, it wasn't THAT long ago that huge Biker gangs were able to virtually take over entire towns for that matter if you think about it. :p

Comparisons to other countries are borked in many cases because unlike the US they don't have the same level of free information, even if they claim otherwise. For reasons of keeping people calm, and looking good to other nations, a lot of countries are going to carefully control their statistics and keep dirty laundry out of sight as much as they can unlike here where the dirtier something is, the more reporters want to scream it from the rooftops to get attention.

Video games are just an outlet for escapism like anything else. Some kid running around and whacking other kids with sticks pretending they are swords (and perhaps causing injuries during play which is why parents tend to try and discourage things like this... even if all kids tend to instinctively do them) is no less an issue than someone playing a video game where the character kills enemies with swords. Same thing, less chance for injuries.

The basic point is, people are violent, it's who we are. Violence is one of our instinctive ways to solve problems. The fact that we hold it back in society does not mean it's not there. With children one has to expect that they aren't going to be as good at dealing with this as adults.... that's an issue with children in general, and always has been, not with video games or any other media.

As far as becoming Jaded, I think that mostly occurs when your dealing with things like horror that are intentionally intended to shock someone. Not with violence, even extreme violence. I mean there is only so much you can do with someone being shot or stabbed as far as realism goes.

When it comes to extreme gore, or torture, or whatever else that is beyond simple violence and combat I don't think people ever convince themselves it's acceptable, it's just that when they sit down and watch something that's supposed to be shocking and they are braced for it, it takes more and more to achieve the same results.

Interestingly enough, I rate this as not being desensitized because context matters. See if a horror fan decides to walk in and see "Splattergore VII: Electric Saw Bugaloo!" watching some young hottie being bondaged and having her face peeled off while she screams might just be mildly attention getting, after all you saw the other six Splattergore films and your just trying to find something that can give you the same 'shock' that way. BUT if the same jaded horror nut sits down and say watches another kind of movie/show like say a romantic comedy and someone graphically beats a kitten to death with a mallet THAT might shock or upset someone because context matters and it's not what your expecting. Some directors are QUITE good at pulling unexpected stuff like that out. Oh sure, it was nothing compared to Splattergore, and it made context that the father in law hated the kitten after it peed on him, but you weren't EXPECTING that and the fact that it happened in so normal a context...


Truthfully most of my "that was just plain wrong" moments in movies through the years have mostly come from non-horror films (which I still love). As a result I can sit there and say I'm jaded, I can sit down and watch some of the most depraved movies out there and tell you that don't go far enough for what they were trying to do. Yet show some of the same stuff (or even a lot less intense) out of the context... of such movies and I can be a bit of a softie.

I can also say to an extent that I think most people who play very violent shooters, will sort of say "wow" watching say the end of say "Casablanca" simply because context of violence and what it means can actually mean more than the act itself. That paticular bit meaning (and saying) more with a simple act than Rambo standing on a 20' corpse pile of southeast asian militants.
 

quiet_samurai

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Of course it's real, but as the Poll says... completely overplayed.

If you took a person who has never watched a horror movie before, then showed them Saw or Hostle or whatever breed of violently shocking film, they would probably pee themselves. So yeah it's real, but I don't think it is to the point of psychological alteration on a scale where you become a remorseless killer. It's just something the haters say to make themselves sound right, because honestly, it can't really be proven one way or the other.

Besides, it still isn't real. Even the really graphic stuff doesn't compare to real violence. I have seen both, and they aren't even in the same realm of exhistance.
 

Krythe

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There is a simple and obvious test for if you are desensitized.

Does the picture below cause you to cringe, shiver, or cock an eyebrow and wonder wtf?
http://scienceblogs.com/omnibrain/upload/2007/04/french-aids-posters.jpg

If yes, then congratulations, you have just proven that desensitization is a myth.
 

Shoggoth2588

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I believe that, though games do desensitize to an extent, they don't cause thoughts of homicide or anything. As for games being sex-boxes, that's only really a problem with recent games. Sure, older games may feature skimpily clad female characters but, it's just recently that they've actually started having sex.

despite years of gaming, I am anti-violence to the point that I can't watch discovery health without feeling nauseated. As for games turning me into a sex craved rapist; that is an epic fail as I am an asexual.

There was actually one time when the realism of games made me try something. I once tried using GTA IV as a parallel parking tutor. I can parallel park in Liberty City as well as I can in real life ... so not very well ... but then in real life my cousin never calls me out on dinner dates and whatnot
 

chinese_democracy

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It works on unstable minds and the weak willed. If you can hypnotize hundreds of millions of people that there is an invisible omniscient being watching us from atop a cloud, then you can certainly make a few of them more violent prone with graphic imagery. Don't tell the politicians that though, I want to keep playing my Modern Warfare 2.
 

rainman2203

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"Once you get hooked on internet porn, you can't just go back to Playboy!" -Randy Marsh

I suppose your talking more about violence, though. I can't remember what game it was, but the first time I saw someone get shotgunned point blank in I was devastated. The second time it was still a little much, but after that it was pretty much awesome. Nowadays, I'm disappointed if there isn't realistic tissue damage and the option to watch it in slow-motion.

So yeah, I think desensitization is a real effect. Does that mean I'm going to go pick up Mossberg and go for the high score IRL? No, that's idiotic. Plus, I don't have overshields, regenerating health, auto-aim, or a zealous disregard for the amount of life I'd be destroying.
 

Good morning blues

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1) A "desensitizing effect" does not mean that video games will make gamers want to kill people. It means that they will be less sensitive to real violence. This is a very real effect with some pretty sound science backing it up; it's not exclusive to video games, but it's pretty god damned powerful in them.

2) If you are using a forum poll from a gaming web site in a college research project, you completely deserve the F you will get.
 

Deathkingo

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Good morning blues said:
1) A "desensitizing effect" does not mean that video games will make gamers want to kill people. It means that they will be less sensitive to real violence. This is a very real effect with some pretty sound science backing it up; it's not exclusive to video games, but it's pretty god damned powerful in them.

2) If you are using a forum poll from a gaming web site in a college research project, you completely deserve the F you will get.
I doubt i will get an F. you see, this is the third poll I posted on the internet, two of them are legitimate, and one is incredibly biased. actually, most everyone agrees that it is overhyped. however, this is the only place where "fake" outnumbers "real" (at least it did last time i checked). so THERE fedora cigar man!
 

Carlston

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Deathkingo said:
Games have, for the most part, been labelled as "incredibly violent" and (especially in regards to Mass Effect) "sexboxes" that desensitize our brains to violence and sex. I have been playing games since the genesis came out when i was about 5 or 6, and I have yet to feel the urge to kill people. In my eyes, saying games inspire killing is like saying Cabbage Patch Kids inspire teen pregnancy.

So, I wanted to see what you guys thought about it. I'm doing this for a report for college, and I need my own data. So ,don't shovel "I believe in the search bar" my way.

Pac man inspires over eating and drug use. A being chased by ghosts only he could see. Eat a "power"pill to make him strong enough to face them...but every new stage the buzz last shorter ammounts of time.

Space invaders breeds hate saying it's ok to shoot illegal immigrants.

And Barbies Horse adventure breeds pure hate, only the likes of a bond villian or skeletor could match.

Honestly, I played a ton of games, then joined the military and hoenstly the games didn't make me any more ready for a combat situation.
Other than better reflexes than the other guy.
 

Aschenkatza

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Desensitization is a real psychological effect. All it does it make you more comfortable in situations. It does not make you more prone to doing said act.
Just because I played grand theft auto like 4 years ago, I'm not about to drag someone out of their car and drive away with it. Now if I saw that situation happening in front of me, I might be more inclined to do something about it since I have seen it before and won't be scared to death.
I don't think twice when I see blood now a days, but that's kinda good in a way. If I somehow ended up as a doctor or something, I wouldn't faint at the sight of blood now would I. THANK YOU VIDEO GAMES!
 

Good morning blues

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Deathkingo said:
Good morning blues said:
1) A "desensitizing effect" does not mean that video games will make gamers want to kill people. It means that they will be less sensitive to real violence. This is a very real effect with some pretty sound science backing it up; it's not exclusive to video games, but it's pretty god damned powerful in them.

2) If you are using a forum poll from a gaming web site in a college research project, you completely deserve the F you will get.
I doubt i will get an F. you see, this is the third poll I posted on the internet, two of them are legitimate, and one is incredibly biased. actually, most everyone agrees that it is overhyped. however, this is the only place where "fake" outnumbers "real" (at least it did last time i checked). so THERE fedora cigar man!
...Except that all of your samples are completely unscientific. All you're going to get from these three polls are three separate counts that cannot be meaningfully compared due to differing sample sizes and the fact that you don't know anything about your samples aside from the fact that they come from these three forums. None of these samples, independently or together, is anything even approaching representative of the general population. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, but the information you're gathering here is useless.
 

Flames66

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Deathkingo said:
In direct terms, this is true. It is not what it means, but because it has less of an effect on you, it may cause you to re-think actions. With violence so prevalent, the barrier of "this is wrong" becomes thinner, and eventually becomes blurred. Of course, what I mentioned is a slippery slope, indeed. I suppose "urge" is the wrong word choice there.
I see what you're saying. Just being clear on the definition.
 

JIst00

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Seldon2639 said:
JIst00 said:
It has a soothing effect on me. If i couldnt take my rage out and kill pixels, I'd have probably commited mass murder by now. God I hate fucking miuth-breathers.

Jessica Rabbit had more of the "sex" efrfect on me than games ever did, i mean Jessica Rabbit is fucking lush =P
The world of psychology says you're not only wrong, but wrong on almost every level. The whole "catharsis releases rage" thing doesn't work. Giving into anger/rage/whatever else, and then having a release produces endorphins and serotonin which basically trains your brain that giving into anger is a good experience. You're more likely to become enraged the more often you give into your rage, study after study confirms it.

Violent behavior (virtual or real) only feeds more violent behavior. We're hard-wired
Lol better out than in, and I've still neevr killed anyone as yet, nor am I violent, rage doesnt have to releaased in a violent way =P