Oh so very much love. I seen that video a few days ago. Excellent, to the point, and Daniel Craig. Perfect.John Funk said:
Poll: Do you consider yourself a feminist?
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Women still don't have the same rights as me (glass ceiling and all that) so I'll say feminist. The extreme ones piss me off though, also anyone who expects equality and chivalry. Chivalry shouldn't be something you expect in the first place.
But how can you unify a movement of this caliber? I can't think of a large, political movement where everyone had the same aims and outcomes.Generic Gamer said:
It's not the kind of issue that's easily changed, sex equality is something human society has struggle with for centuries. Can you blame it for not wanting to make enemies given the image it's had for the past 40 years or so. It's not the law that's the problem it's people's attitudes towards it and that is a very difficult thing to change.
Wait i think i just failed at life here. Reading what all of you posted i have figured out that feminist go for equality not superiority. Which is weird since feminist and sexist are supposed to be polar opposites. So feminism doesn't imply that men are in some shape or form inferior? I'm Really uneducated on the subject so I wouldn't know...
what im understanding goes like this:
Sexism: Men are superior
Feminism: Equality
???????: Women Are superior (Also what word is for this I'm curious now.)
But what what i was thinking before posting was:
Sexism: Men are superior
???????: Equality
Feminism: Women are superior
Im still confused so someone would like to enlighten me?
what im understanding goes like this:
Sexism: Men are superior
Feminism: Equality
???????: Women Are superior (Also what word is for this I'm curious now.)
But what what i was thinking before posting was:
Sexism: Men are superior
???????: Equality
Feminism: Women are superior
Im still confused so someone would like to enlighten me?
having answered your poll, i find it sad that there are, at most recent count, 17 women who think they are the inferior of every male on the planet. you 17 women should give yourselves more credit. everyone is created equal.
I am not a femminist, since I don not like how the word focuses on the female aspect of equalisism. If that is what you stand for then I would say you are an:
EQUALIST
like me
(I stand against 20% women in a company BTW, because there is no policy stating that there has to be 20% men.....)
EQUALIST
like me
(I stand against 20% women in a company BTW, because there is no policy stating that there has to be 20% men.....)
the idea behind "feminism," a word created by the media to make you think exactly that, was an idea of equality. you won't find, in any feminist writings, that word used to describe what they're looking for. while you will find writings that try to tell women that they are not inherently flawed for being women, and those can be a bit overzealous, that extreme was what it took to make women believe that they should have the same rights as men. what we take for granted now was an unthinkable impossibility when the feminist movements started. feminists, from the beginning of the movement, have been about equality. when western women won their equal rights, the movement expanded to help people, men and women everywhere, see their inborn equality and try to educate that no one person is better than another.WendelI said:
Equal rights? Sure. Lowering standards so more women can get into positions traditionally held by men (or vice versa)? Fuck that. If I have the choice between being carried out of a burning building by someone who can carry my 150lb ass or being semi-dragged out by someone who can't, I'll pick the first. If I have the choice to be operated on by someone who has the dexterity and know-how to compensate for not having the latest medical technology (and still is given and knows how to use said medical technology) or someone who does not have that dexterity, I'll still choose the former. (attempting to illustrate an instance a piece where either gender would have a genetic advantage over the other)
Male. And no, I wouldn't consider myself terribly biased toward gender either. Although I find guys easier to get along with, that's more because I am one than anything else.
i dont see why demanding equal rights needs a label. shouldnt that be the norm and if you think women should be in the kitchen or women should have more rights then you need to be labels as sexist or something.
to me feminists are the people who hate men and are basically sexist but when they are sexist believe its just women power and all good and stuff. to me feminists are the people who want women to be on top and not just equal.
to me feminists are the people who hate men and are basically sexist but when they are sexist believe its just women power and all good and stuff. to me feminists are the people who want women to be on top and not just equal.
i wasnt saying equality is the norm. i was saying people wanting equality is the norm so it shouldnt need a label.Colour-Scientist said:
but personally i havent expirenced or seen men and women treated differently at work etc. where i used to work everyone either got paid the same or negotiated their pay. had the same holiday pay etc.
can some people give me some examples of where women or men are treated differently?
I consider myself what is known as a gender egalitarian. Meaning much the same thing as the "definition" given in the beginning, but much more all-inclusive and not bearing the same stigma as claiming to be a feminist.
Due to the fact that feminism is equated with man-hating (which is known as "misandry" for those of you who were not aware) and to many seems to betray the overall message of feminism, I and she shy away from the phrase. Hence, gender egalitarian. And not feminist.
Due to the fact that feminism is equated with man-hating (which is known as "misandry" for those of you who were not aware) and to many seems to betray the overall message of feminism, I and she shy away from the phrase. Hence, gender egalitarian. And not feminist.
Yes, but it operates on a flawed premise, that only women are disadvantaged by institutional sexism in our (modern, Western) society. If it doesn't mean misandry, then why does it only seek to correct anti-woman sexism, and in fact doesn't just ignore, but works to further existing (or implement fresh) pro-woman sexism?John Funk said:
There's reasons to search for equality in this day and age, yes. Absolutely. To only focus on part of the problem, and to use misinformation and half-truths to exaggerate and obfuscate the reality of the situation, that has no place in any methodology that alleges to want nothing more than plain equality.
Here's an even bigger point to consider -- if the "gender gap" worked the way feminists claim it work -- that women are doing the exact same job WITH THE EXACT SAME CREDENTIALS yet getting paid 70 cents on the dollar, then why have we not heard of one firm, one company, one executive board or one employer firing every male on their staff and replacing them with females, cutting payroll costs by 30% in one fell swoop?Merkavar said:
I see men and women as equal, all of you equally kneel before, Asuka. Pilot of Eva 002!
I shall rule you with an iron fist of equality!
But in all seriousness(I'm still better then you! *sticks tongue out*) humans are humans, while there needs to be understanding and we may need to treat people a tad differently, for biological things we should be on equal terms. As we're both humans, we're both entitled to respect and fair treatment.
Sadly, there's still alot of stereotypes and opposition to the concept of equality between genders/races.
I shall rule you with an iron fist of equality!
But in all seriousness(I'm still better then you! *sticks tongue out*) humans are humans, while there needs to be understanding and we may need to treat people a tad differently, for biological things we should be on equal terms. As we're both humans, we're both entitled to respect and fair treatment.
Sadly, there's still alot of stereotypes and opposition to the concept of equality between genders/races.
I'm an equalist (oh yeah made up word) I'm a male and I love the ladies but I don't think one gender should have special treatment over the other. My motto is if I can do it, you can do it.
WendelI said:
Sexism doesn't mean men are supperior. Sexism is the treating of another gender like something lower then your gender or by stereotyping. Both men and women can be sexist.
Its a bad term at this point. Even ignoring the bad apples, it would make more sense to make a new title to better signify it as meaning equality among the sexes. Feminism puts women in the spot-light. Not saying they dont need it, but too often men are actually put down, intentionally or not.
I'm an equalist. Can't have equality when the name of the group trying to define it is associated with a sex.