trooper6 said:
Jonluw said:
Hiya escapists.
Plus, pretty much all classical music is instrumental.
Hm. Nope. Instrumental classical music is instrumental but "classical music" includes:
Opera
Oratorio
Masses
Requiems
Troubadour song
Lieder
Chant
Choral Music
etc.
There is a *huge* amount of classical music with vocals.
Now, you are using the phrase "classical music" to mean "art music of the classical period, 1750-1820...that is also the time when some of the most popular works were opera rather than symphonies.
I knew someone was going to call me out on that.
What I meant was "Most of the great classics from the baroque and out that we still listen to to this day are instrumental".
If you go out and buy an album like "classical favourites" or something, pretty much the only pieces with lyrics will be Händel's messiah, Carmina burana, Pomp and circumstance and certain versions of In the hall of the mountain king.
I'm not really counting opera in that statement. I've always seen opera as its own genre that I just don't feel like touching on too much.
Also this idea that instrumental music has a higher "technical or musical level" is completely subjective and is based on covert and casual values that are not universal. West African Singing/Drumming tends to be much more advanced in terms of rhythm. Modern popular music tends to be much more advanced in terms of timbre. Music with lyrics clearly have a higher level of lyrical skill and vocal skill than music without it. Jazz (including jazz vocalists) tends to be much more advanced in terms of improvisation. There are many different musical parameters. Instrumental classical music values some over others, but that doesn't mean those parameters are the most important to making good music. Nor is the value "more complex" actually better than "more simple."
I see I didn't express myself very clearly there either.
What I meant was that in instrumental music, the only thing that is presented to the listener is the music. No lyrics. As a consequence, the melody and harmony or groove or otherwise just plain musical aspects of a piece are normally afforded more attention and more carefully crafted. i.e. I don't like the kind of music that only exists as a background to the writer/composer's poetry.
the voice is one of my favorite instruments for expressivity.
Do note that I still call music instrumental if the voice is used for something other than performing lyrics.
Would you really say that the music in this piece
is as interesting and engaging as this music?
[sub]Note that I'm using a song with lyrics here. I'm not saying music with lyrics is bad. I just think instrumental music is generally more engaging, musically, because it's made to engage only by means of music, not with the help of lyrics.[/sub]