Poll: Do you like Israel?

[6037084]

short answer: No
long answer: Israel sucks, first of all they're milking the US hard, I mean ~114 billion dollars has been sent to Israel, that's waaay too much. Secondly Palestine. And thirdly I'm sick and tired of the jewish bullshit about oh the holocaust was so terrible, if anyone says anything bad about us he is a evil nazi etc yet when you look at History, specifically the bible and the genocides that the jewish people did that was all well and good and the people deserved it, I know the holocaust was more recent history but still how about jews SHUT THE FUCK UP for a change.

 

[TheIronRuler]

When you are done dragging children to jail, murdering your neighbors, and acting like in a dick in the region, maybe I will consider something other than 'no'.

Damn, stop making these posts without explaining yourself.
Not only you but the others that think the same and are too lazy or don't even know how to discuss the manner, they just throw accusations.

 

[jonyboy13]

No.

I've read too many newspapers and watched too many news broadcasts to ever view Israel with anything other than cold contempt.

The nicest thing I can say is that I respect them for having the strength to establish themselves and hold on like they have.

Ha! Gotta love world news about Israel.

Now consider I live in Israel I know so much I don't like whether it's political or otherwise but I'll keep it objective and I won't be mentioning certain irrelevant stuff.

No, there's nothing here to like. Israel doesn't offer anything to tourists (unless you're a religious fanatic) since pretty much all we got are 'holy' sites. Israel doesn't have any exclusive product or a certain specialty that you can't get the same or better in other countries.
Oh, the people are horrible. That's not just a stigma, they are just terrible, loud and obnoxious.

So I voted that I support it. In an ideal world, I wouldn't support it or any other country with a religious government but this isn't an ideal world, so I believe every religion should have a right to exist in it's own country.

I won't bother commenting on the "Let's hate on Israel because this is what I saw in the news" posts because this is quite pathetic. Go watch some real news. Watch a video of a Palestinian instructing kids to rub their faces with blood and lie on the floor while the 'reporter' films them and says that the IDF has killed dozens on children. This is the basic -fact- that the world is not aware of. There are many, many more. Some are even more shocking but you got Internet, look it up yourself.

God damn it, I wanted this to be a 2 lines post.

 

[TheIronRuler]

short answer: No
long answer: Israel sucks, first of all they're milking the US hard, I mean ~114 billion dollars has been sent to Israel, that's waaay too much. Secondly Palestine. And thirdly I'm sick and tired of the jewish bullshit about oh the holocaust was so terrible, if anyone says anything bad about us he is a evil nazi etc yet when you look at History, specifically the bible and the genocides that the jewish people did that was all well and good and the people deserved it, I know the holocaust was more recent history but still how about jews SHUT THE FUCK UP for a change.

By that logic you the Americans shout SHUT THE FUCK UP since you massacred and killed thousands of native americans when you got here.
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That wasn't in the bible.
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Your post is ludicrous. You don't even explain the Palastain issue, talk about how srael is a money sink - You keep ARMY BASES IN TAJIKISTAN. You give money to LEBANON among other countries, not only Israel. You give money to Palestine too!
What about those? What about the military bases is Cuwait? You have plenty of expenses abroad, Israel isn't the only or the largest money sink you have. Damn it, stop listening without trying to learn the truth yourself.

 

[maturin]

I like Israel. Judea and Samaria, which Israel controls, I have the same opinion of as Apartheid South Africa. So just a little bit of tension there.

The Levant is one of those places that is too tangled up to have insane national and state borders imposed upon it. I'd like to visit the Holy Land, but all that barbed wire and military frontier really sucks.

 

[Duruznik]

Yep, I've lived here my entire life, and though I think many things are wrong with my country, I fully support it.

My opinion is thats not the peoples fault that they are represented poorly in outer affairs.Seriously get some less bitchy diplomats in your offices around the world.
When it comes to the israelis i met so far, half of them were cool, half of them were complete idiots.But the ones that were cool had some of the best dark and evil sense of humor i ever experienced, great times.

I know, our diplomats are shit. It's aweful, really. :L

 

[TheIronRuler]

Whilst I understand the premise of Israel's creation, the way they and other countries has gone about it has been, and is, appalling. I don't really care if some UN Resolution did decree that Israel could be a nation - accepting them as a member of the UN straight after the massacre of Deir Yassin and the dispossession of 900,000 Palestinians, who weren't allowed to safely return to their homes, is an abhorrent disregard for human rights, which the UN is supposedly meant to be protecting. And let's face it, the only reason they were accepted was because of their strategic position for western powers to gain an ally in the Middle East, and the West would have felt bad about the whole Holocaust. So their creation was floored from the beginning.

Add to that their continued disregard for the Palestinians and other Arab nations (ie, the taking of more territory in 1967 and the destruction of Lebanon, just so they could push the PLO further from the area), as well as other horrible things, such as the Sabra Shatila massacre, I don't think that Israel has a right to exist in its current form. I'm not condoning the response of Arab nations (they really didn't give a shit about the Palestinians either), but they were so terrible at warfare, it wasn't funny. I understand that Israel was and is paranoid, being surrounded by enemy nations, but adding wood to a fire isn't going to help their 'plight'. And continually treating the Palestinians like refugees in their own land is so wrong it's not even funny. I'm not surprised the Palestinians and other sects turned to 'terrorism' to get their message across, and to be noticed, since many powers completely ignored them. Assassinating just about every mediator that tries to alleviate some of the tension and conflict doesn't help either.

As I said though, Israel isn't the only one that has been in the wrong, but I'd say that proportionately, they've done worse than any other nation in the area. So, I do think that Israel has some right to exist, but not in its current form.

As far as the culture, area and general people go, I'm sure it's all fine (don't really know much about any of these) - as is with any place.

EDIT: Since the big thing was the Jews going through the Holocaust, how is dispossessing an entire peoples showing any sense of development? You'd think that since they went through some horrible stuff, they'd at least be slightly understanding and cautious not to do the same to another group of people...

What about the fact that the refugee crisis came from the Arab leaders warning local Muslims to flee the country so that they wouldn't be caught in the cross-fire. When Israel WASN'T Destroyed as planned, they had only themselves to blame.

 

[Bunnymarn]

Oh, and why of all people did you have to go and assassinate Yitzhak Rabin? He was actually going to get something done with the whole conflict...

 

[Gardenia]

I don't like their politics, and I don't support the decision to found the state of Israel in the first place. However, there's no going back now, and both sides of the conflict have to make the best of it to try and live together in peace, some day.

 

[TheIronRuler]

Oh, and why of all people did you have to go and assassinate Yitzhak Rabin? He was actually going to get something done with the whole conflict...

To this day the Oslo treaties are a piece of paper. The only thing present from the piece of paper are the security arrangements.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I don't like their politics, and I don't support the decision to found the state of Israel in the first place. However, there's no going back now, and both sides of the conflict have to make the best of it to try and live together in peace, some day.

Why don't you support the founding of Israel?
There was a nationalistic movement (Zionism) like any other that wanted for the Jews to be a nationality and have a home, a country.

 

[Bobzer77]

And since I'm not going to support the side that fires rockets indiscriminately into residental areas, props to Isreal.

In that case you shouldn't be supporting either side.

Whoever started it, nothing is going to be solved by either side firing missiles randomly into each others countries.

If Israel want's to act like the mature, cool headed seat of democracy of the Middle East they can start by only targeting Hamas militants and not the people of Palestine. Revenge attacks justified or not won't endear them towards anyone.

Walking out on peace talks also makes them look like dicks.

I don't support anyone who acts like a child. That seems to be everyone in the Middle East (including Israel) right now.

What also pisses me off is that every time someone says something against them it's all suddenly anti-semitic and we should be ashamed for picking on the Jews, remember that thing that happened when none of us were alive? Yeah!

Other than that I like a lot of Israeli people, they have a beautiful country and I refuse to get involved in the "right to exist" argument.

So solve your bullshit politics and I'm happy.

 

[6037084]

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By that logic you the Americans shout SHUT THE FUCK UP since you massacred and killed thousands of native americans when you got here.
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That wasn't in the bible.
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Your post is ludicrous. You don't even explain the Palastain issue, talk about how srael is a money sink - You keep ARMY BASES IN TAJIKISTAN. You give money to LEBANON among other countries, not only Israel. You give money to Palestine too!
What about those? What about the military bases is Cuwait? You have plenty of expenses abroad, Israel isn't the only or the largest money sink you have. Damn it, stop listening without trying to learn the truth yourself.

it's funny because I'm not an american but an Estonian a people who have been opressed by the germans the swedes the the russians then the germans again briefly and then the russians again

 

[TheIronRuler]

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it's funny because I'm not an american but an Estonian a people who have been opressed by the germans the swedes the the russians then the germans again briefly and then the russians again

It;s not funny because you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the topic of Israel and "palestine".

 

[Bunnymarn]

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What about the fact that the refugee crisis came from the Arab leaders warning local Muslims to flee the country so that they wouldn't be caught in the cross-fire. When Israel WASN'T Destroyed as planned, they had only themselves to blame.

The refugee was both the fault of the Arabs and Israel. The Israelis shouldn't have dispossessed them to such a large degree in the first place and the Arabs shouldn't have juggled the refugees around like a hot potato. Not allowing them to return to their homes was the fault of the Israelis.

 

[TheIronRuler]

And since I'm not going to support the side that fires rockets indiscriminately into residental areas, props to Isreal.

In that case you shouldn't be supporting either side.

Whoever started it, nothing is going to be solved by either side firing missiles randomly into each others countries.

If Israel want's to act like the mature, cool headed seat of democracy of the Middle East they can start by only targeting Hamas militants and not the people of Palestine. Revenge attacks justified or not won't endear them towards anyone.

Walking out on peace talks also makes them look like dicks.

I don't support anyone who acts like a child. That seems to be everyone in the Middle East (including Israel) right now.

What also pisses me off is that every time someone says something against them it's all suddenly anti-semitic and we should be ashamed for picking on the Jews, remember that thing that happened when none of us were alive? Yeah!

Other than that I like a lot of Israeli people, they have a beautiful country and I refuse to get involved in the "right to exist" argument.

So solve your bullshit politics and I'm happy.

Do you know how f*cking difficult it is to spot a militant in a group of civilians?
They use houses, hospitals and schools as launch sites for their rockets. They want us to not attack them. They dress like civis... how can you spot them?
They use their civilian population as cover.

 

[Bunnymarn]

Oh, and why of all people did you have to go and assassinate Yitzhak Rabin? He was actually going to get something done with the whole conflict...

To this day the Oslo treaties are a piece of paper. The only thing present from the piece of paper are the security arrangements.

They're a piece of paper because he got assassinated before he could do anything and then the Lukid government with Benign came and pretty much just reversed everything Rabin was trying to do.

 

[Bobzer77]

And since I'm not going to support the side that fires rockets indiscriminately into residental areas, props to Isreal.

In that case you shouldn't be supporting either side.

Whoever started it, nothing is going to be solved by either side firing missiles randomly into each others countries.

If Israel want's to act like the mature, cool headed seat of democracy of the Middle East they can start by only targeting Hamas militants and not the people of Palestine. Revenge attacks justified or not won't endear them towards anyone.

Walking out on peace talks also makes them look like dicks.

I don't support anyone who acts like a child. That seems to be everyone in the Middle East (including Israel) right now.

What also pisses me off is that every time someone says something against them it's all suddenly anti-semitic and we should be ashamed for picking on the Jews, remember that thing that happened when none of us were alive? Yeah!

Other than that I like a lot of Israeli people, they have a beautiful country and I refuse to get involved in the "right to exist" argument.

So solve your bullshit politics and I'm happy.

Do you know how f*cking difficult it is to spot a militant in a group of civilians?
They use houses, hospitals and schools as launch sites for their rockets. They want us to not attack them. They dress like civis... how can you spot them?
They use their civilian population as cover.

I didn't say I support them, they are complete cowards.

But I definitely can't support Israel's attitude which seems to be, fuck it, mow them all down.

 

[TheIronRuler]

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What about the fact that the refugee crisis came from the Arab leaders warning local Muslims to flee the country so that they wouldn't be caught in the cross-fire. When Israel WASN'T Destroyed as planned, they had only themselves to blame.

The refugee was both the fault of the Arabs and Israel. The Israelis shouldn't have dispossessed them to such a large degree in the first place and the Arabs shouldn't have juggled the refugees around like a hot potato. Not allowing them to return to their homes was the fault of the Israelis.

Homes?
Why do you think they wanted to return to the land of the Jews?
They tried AGAIN to take down Israel, three more wars to put it out. They failed.
The redugee problem grew.
Israel didn't want them because it was convenient. It couldn't provide for them all and it would have made the democratic voters balance a problem.
Do you think that at first they wanted to return to the land of the Jews? They were told horror stories about Israel killing and enslaving them all, making matzas out of their blood.
The Arabs that live here, about 1.25 million or so live here just fine. They benefit from living in a democratic country with welfare, while their brothers are stuck in Jordon, a monarchy, Lebanon - a giant clusterfuck, Egypt - which can't get on its feet and elect a leader since it's high on political rallies... the list goes on.

 

[TheIronRuler]

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I didn't say I support them, they are complete cowards.

But I definitely can't support Israel's attitude which seems to be, fuck it, mow them all down.

That's wrong too. You think that because of the number of casualties, but what other force had to deal with what the IDF is dealing right now?