Poll: Do you support evolution?
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I came in to say exactly this.MrHero17 said:
I believe that God exists, and that He will condemn to Hell those who cut me off in traffic.
I think that the weight of scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the Theory of Evolution as an explanation for life on Earth reached the current levels of distribution and biodiversity from an initial point of there being no life.
captcha: "take umbrage". Weirdly appropriate
No.
Better.
I think 'what you find more plausible' is better than what you believe, because the overwhelming majority doesn't use the word believe.
Yes, and I also believe that God created the planet by moving a bunch of rocks together and snapping his fingers.
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As I understand it, there are roughly three groups of people who reject that Evolution is real, People who do not properly understand it, people who reject it because they're too God-crazy (An embarrassingly vocal minority), and people looking to make money off either of the first two.
why is it Team Science and Team God... I think whoever made this poll has a skewed view of the issue.
I don't even have to read any of the posts. I already know this is a bait thread and the person who created just wants a flame war.
I don't even have to read any of the posts. I already know this is a bait thread and the person who created just wants a flame war.
Ah, this tired crap again. First things first though. Evolution is not the same thing as the theory of evolution. Stop presenting it like the same damn thing. The Phenomenon of evolution is a natural process that we can observe the same as gravity, the water cycle and countless other processes. The Theory is the explanation of that phenomenon.
See, the difference here is that the theory, the explanation of the hows and why of evolution can be given or denied a belief. The phenomenon itself is a fact and therefore can't be a belief, it either is or is not.
To compare, this is like asking if I believe in lightning. Someone might say lighting is actually gods throwing the bolts and not the scientific explanation, but only a true nutjob goes "there is no lightning!" This is why creationists are dismissed so often, as they never acknowledge the reality of the phenomenon in the first place, thus reveal the worthlessness of their position.If someone refuses to admit to reality from the start, you can't take them seriously.
ok, now that we have explained that there is two issues raised whenever someone asks "do you believe in evolution", lets address things.
Do I believe in the phenomenon? As much as I believe in gravity, water, atoms and every other aspect of reality that can be observed and tested. You know, not a belief at all so much as fact. Anyone who denies it, well, is a damned idiot who invalidates their opinion because only an idiot or a madman denies reality because they don't like it.
Do I believe the theory? Yes. I find it explains the phenomenon well, has been tested countless times and can be used to predict. It is the best explanation of the process for the phenomenon called evolution. I can see why some might disagree with the explanation for the process, instead dismissing the facts and testing for the wishful thinking of intelligent design, but honestly, I have only ever known one person to actually say "evolution happens but the theory that explains it isn't right/complete". Instead I get idiots who deny reality because it threatens their delicate delusion.
So remember people, even if you don't like what the theory describes, it doesn't fucking matter because the phenomenon is a simple fact and no amount of whining will change that, even if the explanation of why is "only a theory"
See, the difference here is that the theory, the explanation of the hows and why of evolution can be given or denied a belief. The phenomenon itself is a fact and therefore can't be a belief, it either is or is not.
To compare, this is like asking if I believe in lightning. Someone might say lighting is actually gods throwing the bolts and not the scientific explanation, but only a true nutjob goes "there is no lightning!" This is why creationists are dismissed so often, as they never acknowledge the reality of the phenomenon in the first place, thus reveal the worthlessness of their position.If someone refuses to admit to reality from the start, you can't take them seriously.
ok, now that we have explained that there is two issues raised whenever someone asks "do you believe in evolution", lets address things.
Do I believe in the phenomenon? As much as I believe in gravity, water, atoms and every other aspect of reality that can be observed and tested. You know, not a belief at all so much as fact. Anyone who denies it, well, is a damned idiot who invalidates their opinion because only an idiot or a madman denies reality because they don't like it.
Do I believe the theory? Yes. I find it explains the phenomenon well, has been tested countless times and can be used to predict. It is the best explanation of the process for the phenomenon called evolution. I can see why some might disagree with the explanation for the process, instead dismissing the facts and testing for the wishful thinking of intelligent design, but honestly, I have only ever known one person to actually say "evolution happens but the theory that explains it isn't right/complete". Instead I get idiots who deny reality because it threatens their delicate delusion.
So remember people, even if you don't like what the theory describes, it doesn't fucking matter because the phenomenon is a simple fact and no amount of whining will change that, even if the explanation of why is "only a theory"
Well science only answers how, philosophy answers why. Religion (that is, the idea that there are supernatural beings directly influencing the universe and ultimate reasons for being, ultimate morality, etc.) is just one philosophy. Same with naturalism or secularism.chozo_hybrid said:
But yes, I am firmly in the evolution boat, and have no belief whatsoever in god(s).
I'm in the same boat as you, It was just an interesting thought that I had while reading this threadrenegade7 said:
I'm glad it's been noticed by a few people.
Evolution doesn't care if you believe or not. It's there, and it has more than enough evidence to back itself up. That's the whole point of science, it's got nothing to do with faith.
Religion however, uses old text. Very old text, with a lot of inconsistencies and plot holes, written by many people, over a very, very long time.
I'm not trying to be inflammatory toward religion, you either believe it or not. But any real "evidence" is completely in your own mind, it's a spiritual thing. But saying you can't 'disprove' something is not an argument.
Religion however, uses old text. Very old text, with a lot of inconsistencies and plot holes, written by many people, over a very, very long time.
I'm not trying to be inflammatory toward religion, you either believe it or not. But any real "evidence" is completely in your own mind, it's a spiritual thing. But saying you can't 'disprove' something is not an argument.
Do I "support" evolution? Not so much. Evolution has been proven. It is a fact. Facts simply are. They do not require support or belief.
Sorry, for some reason my post came out "I am more about..." it should have been, "I am more concerned about..."uro vii said:
I've never known any Christians to be passive about the mysteries in the universe. The rigidity within the Catholic church may have unfortunately colored your experience, but I hear you.
Im Christian and i completely accept evolution.
You Americans seem to have too many christians that can't see beyond their nose.
Bible is a guide people, not the word of god. God didn't write it, men did. Best intentions aside, the word of god has been manipulated to suit political agenda's since pagan times. Jesus and modern christianity sadly is no different.
You Americans seem to have too many christians that can't see beyond their nose.
Bible is a guide people, not the word of god. God didn't write it, men did. Best intentions aside, the word of god has been manipulated to suit political agenda's since pagan times. Jesus and modern christianity sadly is no different.
Evolution can account for a belief in God and religion. Certain religions cannot account for the evidence of evolution. I'm going with the more complete view.
Evolution, Science > Religion, God.
It is possible for both to be true. In the scientific method though creationism, has no bearing on evolution. (Unless you can somehow test for god....)
That aside.
What's more unique/rare/special/miracle?
God created all living things, and we eventually evolved from it?
Of all possible galaxies in this universe(s?), of all the stars in all the galaxies, of just the right age (carbon, required stars made out of older stars) of all the planets that orbit said stars, we evolved on a planet. Just far enough away from the sun not to fry, or freeze. With a moon large enough to cause the Tides, with just the right amount of building blocks, for humanity to eventually evolve from countless generations of whatever the hell that goop was.
The second one may not have any meaning, as opposed to a god creating it. The Second one is by far, the most Miraculous of them all.
Its the equivalent of buying a lottery ticket, winning $500M, And then buying 250M $2 unique Lotto-Tickets (each a different lottery entirely) with a maximum payout of 100M each, and winning them all.
It is possible for both to be true. In the scientific method though creationism, has no bearing on evolution. (Unless you can somehow test for god....)
That aside.
What's more unique/rare/special/miracle?
God created all living things, and we eventually evolved from it?
Of all possible galaxies in this universe(s?), of all the stars in all the galaxies, of just the right age (carbon, required stars made out of older stars) of all the planets that orbit said stars, we evolved on a planet. Just far enough away from the sun not to fry, or freeze. With a moon large enough to cause the Tides, with just the right amount of building blocks, for humanity to eventually evolve from countless generations of whatever the hell that goop was.
The second one may not have any meaning, as opposed to a god creating it. The Second one is by far, the most Miraculous of them all.
Its the equivalent of buying a lottery ticket, winning $500M, And then buying 250M $2 unique Lotto-Tickets (each a different lottery entirely) with a maximum payout of 100M each, and winning them all.
Of course I believe in evolution. I believe in God too. I just think with the miracle of it and how f*cking amazing it is, that points to God's existence. For me, that is.
I think it's silly when believers deny what science so blatantly points out. I believe God wants us to discover everything we can. Burying your head in the sand and denying it doesn't take away its validity.
I think it's silly when believers deny what science so blatantly points out. I believe God wants us to discover everything we can. Burying your head in the sand and denying it doesn't take away its validity.