Poll: Do you support gay marriage?

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

Seeing as I myself am bisexual, I can't exactly say no.

And honestly, why shouldn't two consenting adults, in love with each other, be allowed to marry each other just because they are the same gender? And no, being allowed to marry heterosexually is not the same. If you aren't marrying someone you feel close to, and someone who feels the same towards you, what is the point of marrying?

 

[Frozen Fox]

I have a boyfriend we are married by law in a few states but in the state I am not married i have no fucing idea what my right are or are not. Let it be know THIS HS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES OR EVEN MONEY IN ANY FATHOMABLE WAY I know it may be hard for ignorant moutherfucks to believe bur marriage befits go beyond tax breaks.

 

[Frozen Fox]

Is this an implication that adoption does not exist?

Adoption is fine and all but the reason for the tax breaks is to encourage reproduction. That is something same sex couple are simply incapable of without quite a bit of help (ie Invetro Fertilization etc)

The level of how stupid this comment is is on par with murder if I was that depressed. I mean for real if I had depression and was not just a guy that could just shrug this off i would have killed my self in shame of this comment. It is just that hideously ignorant.

 

[BringBackBuck]

Do we need a talk about irony? If you pay undue attention to a certain passage of a book of the bible to support your view then ignore a passage in the very NEXT chapter, and do so in a means that visibly contradicts this and proves you haven't even read the book it is humorous in an ironic sense. It's like refusing to use a corked bat in baseball because it's against the rules while on steroids.

Also, Bible is Bible, if it's written in there and you're taking it literally; you should follow every rule.

Why? The rules don't apply to gentiles, so unless you want to be Jewish, there is no reason to follow them.

Are you saying the rules in Leviticus only apply to Jews? Like the rule tattooed on this guy's arm forbidding homosexuality?

 

[Xanthious]

I have a boyfriend we are married by law in a few states but in the state I am not married i have no fucing idea what my right are or are not. Let it be know THIS HS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES OR EVEN MONEY IN ANY FATHOMABLE WAY I know it may be hard for ignorant moutherfucks to believe bur marriage befits go beyond tax breaks.

Tell me what benefits you get via marriage that you can not legally obtain through other simple means? I'm curious.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Do we need a talk about irony? If you pay undue attention to a certain passage of a book of the bible to support your view then ignore a passage in the very NEXT chapter, and do so in a means that visibly contradicts this and proves you haven't even read the book it is humorous in an ironic sense. It's like refusing to use a corked bat in baseball because it's against the rules while on steroids.

Also, Bible is Bible, if it's written in there and you're taking it literally; you should follow every rule.

Why? The rules don't apply to gentiles, so unless you want to be Jewish, there is no reason to follow them.

Are you saying the rules in Leviticus only apply to Jews? Like the rule tattooed on this guy's arm forbidding homosexuality?

Look at this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide_laws], yes the tattoo rule doesn't apply to gentiles.

 

[BringBackBuck]

I have a boyfriend we are married by law in a few states but in the state I am not married i have no fucing idea what my right are or are not. Let it be know THIS HS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES OR EVEN MONEY IN ANY FATHOMABLE WAY I know it may be hard for ignorant moutherfucks to believe bur marriage befits go beyond tax breaks.

Tell me what benefits you get via marriage that you can not legally obtain through other simple means? I'm curious.

The right to legally call that person your husband/wife
Joint property rights
Custodial rights to children of the marriage
Numerous financial benefits, including joint filing of tax returns / bankruptcy etc
The right to visit your spouse if they are in intensive care
The right to make the decision on medical care if they are unable to do so
Immigration / visa rights conferred to spouse
Numerous benefits in the event of the death of your spouse

Depending on what jurisdiction you live in and whether de-facto rights exist for same-sex couples there may not be any other means to obtain these rights, also a deemed de-facto relationship usually has time and situation qualifications which marriage doesn't.

 

[BringBackBuck]

Do we need a talk about irony? If you pay undue attention to a certain passage of a book of the bible to support your view then ignore a passage in the very NEXT chapter, and do so in a means that visibly contradicts this and proves you haven't even read the book it is humorous in an ironic sense. It's like refusing to use a corked bat in baseball because it's against the rules while on steroids.

Also, Bible is Bible, if it's written in there and you're taking it literally; you should follow every rule.

Why? The rules don't apply to gentiles, so unless you want to be Jewish, there is no reason to follow them.

Are you saying the rules in Leviticus only apply to Jews? Like the rule tattooed on this guy's arm forbidding homosexuality?

Look at this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide_laws], yes the tattoo rule doesn't apply to gentiles.

So what you are saying is: this guy is an idiot because he has tattooed a section of the bible on his arm and is picking and choosing which bits of the bible apply to him and which bits don't.

 

[Xanthious]

The right to legally call that person your husband/wife

Why do you need the state's approval to call someone your husband or wife?

Joint property rights

Joint property rights can be had through filing a property agreement. You can own whatever you like with whoever you like and divide up ownership however you deem fit.

Custodial rights to children of the marriage

Unmarried gay couples are legally allowed to jointly adopt children.

Numerous financial benefits, including joint filing of tax returns / bankruptcy etc

This is one I'll give you as I think this is the crux of what the gay marriage argument rests on. This is the one thing that gay couples are actually denied in states that ban same sex marriages

The right to visit your spouse if they are in intensive care

This matter is solved by a durable medical power of attorney that takes about a minute to print out and sign.

The right to make the decision on medical care if they are unable to do so

This is another thing that is covered by a durable medical power of attorney.

Immigration / visa rights conferred to spouse

Honestly this is something I didn't consider. Point to you.

Numerous benefits in the event of the death of your spouse

These can all be handled with a well prepared will. Granted you won't enjoy the same tax immunity that married couples do but again that goes back to my original point of gay people only being denied tax breaks and government recognition.

Depending on what jurisdiction you live in and whether de-facto rights exist for same-sex couples there may not be any other means to obtain these rights, also a deemed de-facto relationship usually has time and situation qualifications which marriage doesn't.

My point is that gay people in states that do not allow same sex marriage really aren't being denied much at all beyond a few tax breaks. The vast majority of benefits that come along with marriage can easily be obtained through other means. The other thing they are denied is government recognition. However, I can't honestly see why anyone would give a toss what the government thinks of their personal life one way or the other.

 

[GonzoGamer]

I think Jon Stewart said it best: "I was totally against it until I found out I didn't have to marry another man and I could stay married to my wife."
The way some people carry on, you'd think that's what was being asked of them.

 

[Dudeman325]

Definitely yes

MORE BLOODY WOMEN FOR US STRAIGHT GUYS (keeping it classy)

How does this make any sense? Do unmarried gay guys kidnap womenfolk off the streets or something? Why would there be less available straight women if there were more unmarried homosexuals?

 

[Xanthious]

Your view of 'simple' is curious, to say the least.

Most of these are very simple. A power of attorney, a property agreement, and a will can all be printed off and filled out at home and then taken to a notary. Of course with a will it's probably best to involve a lawyer or at the very least a paralegal just to be safe. Adoption is a headache but adoption is a bureaucratic nightmare regardless if you are straight or gay.

 

[lacktheknack]

Sure.

As long as they're not forcing a religious leader to lead the ceremony if they don't want to.

That would be douchetastic.

 

[David VanDusen]

I voted no and I do not feel bad about it.

I voted no because I happen to have had my eyes open recently to the flip side of this whole argument and realized how ignorant I had been to the common sense of the matter.

I support Civil Unions for all..... Gay "Marriage" is up to the Churches.

 

[00slash00]

i guess the results arent that surprising, considering what people are like on xbox live and shit like that, but the fact that 1 or more people oppose gay marriage is still rather upsetting

 

[DeltaEdge]

Wish there was an in-between option on the poll. *Warning, I am a Christian* Now that that's out of the way, I'd like to get one thing straight. I most certainly do not have anything against Gay marriage. Generic response, but I have plenty of gay friends and know that sexual preference isn't necessarily a defining characteristic, and if people want to marry same-sex partners, I'm cool with that. That doesn't mean that I will go around screaming about how gay marriage is totally awesome and about how I totally back it 100% either. Of course, there's the fact that in a country like the U.S, where we claim to be the land of the free, gay marriage should be a given right just for living here. We aren't a theocracy. It's just hypocritical to want to wear the name of the land of the free, but then want to force laws that prevent people from engaging in acts that deviate from your personal norms. I know that no one even thinks the U.S is a free country anymore, but still... This is just sad. It's not even a matter of whether or not you personally agree with gay marriage, it's an inalienable right that shouldn't even be restricted like it is.
Edit: BTW I voted yes on the poll.

 

[David VanDusen]

i guess the results arent that surprising, considering what people are like on xbox live and shit like that, but the fact that 1 or more people oppose gay marriage is still rather upsetting

Well it's simple if you understand that the inherent sub context to this is that Religious outlets should be "forced" to support things against their religion. That, in every sense, would be a violation of their Constitutional Right.

That being said, as I posted above you, I believe in Civil Unions under the law of the State. Marriage is a Church matter not a Civil Right matter.

 

[00slash00]

i guess the results arent that surprising, considering what people are like on xbox live and shit like that, but the fact that 1 or more people oppose gay marriage is still rather upsetting

Well it's simple if you understand that the inherent sub context to this is that Religious outlets should be "forced" to support things against their religion. That, in every sense, would be a violation of their Constitutional Right.

That being said, as I posted above you, I believe in Civil Unions under the law of the State. Marriage is a Church matter not a Civil Right matter.

i really hate religious debates (we arent debating whether god exists but i feel that this falls under the grounds of religious debate if it continues much further), so im not going to challenge you on this, but as someone who believes in freedom and equality above all else, it deeply saddens me any time i see it denied to a group of people. the fact that im a trans lesbian probably also influences my strong stance on the issue.

in any case, i am willing to agree to disagree