Poll: Do you support gay marriage?
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i have no problem with it. (christian here) i just think that the bible is how i as a christian should live, but if theyr'e ot a christian they can live their own way
although i would like to know, if two guys get married do they have separate bachelor parties?
although i would like to know, if two guys get married do they have separate bachelor parties?
I don't see why not, marriage is there as a symbol of a certain level of commitment to each other in a relationship. Now, religious beliefs as I see it should be as far divorced from anything to do with law as possible and should never be allowed the power to actively deny the rights of others to follow their own beliefs (you should leave deciding what people can and can't do to the people who aren't trying to base their justice system off a series of fairy tales...)
If two homosexual people want to get married and can find someone who will perform the ceremony then go for it.
That this is an issue is frankly pathetic, we've had fucking centuries of religion and fanaticism causing catastrophic results when mixed with politics you'd have thought we'd have learned by now that extreme or irrational beliefs do not make for a good system.
If two homosexual people want to get married and can find someone who will perform the ceremony then go for it.
That this is an issue is frankly pathetic, we've had fucking centuries of religion and fanaticism causing catastrophic results when mixed with politics you'd have thought we'd have learned by now that extreme or irrational beliefs do not make for a good system.
This is how I feel beliefs should work, people are entitled to think however they like so long as they dont force others to obey their views.Matt King said:
Yep. Marriage in the legal sense is, at it's heart, just 2 people agreeing to share their shit and get some sweet bonuses like tax breaks. (What can I say? I'm a romantic.) I don't see why that should be limited to heterosexual couples. And the "it goes against tradition" argument makes me giggle because before it was 1 man + 1 woman agreeing to be married it was 1 white man + 1 white woman. And before that it was basically 1 man selling a woman to another man. I wish that marriage through the state for any pair had a different name than marriage through the church, but the law uses marriage as the term for the straight couples so there is no reason it shouldn't be used for gay couples.
This isn't going to be a very divisive topic on this site. The most recurring point of contention is semantics.
This isn't going to be a very divisive topic on this site. The most recurring point of contention is semantics.
I like how you barely hide your own bigotry under an argument over the most silly semantics ever and then have the nerve to tell people to keep it classy.
It's literally one of those "you know, I don't have anything against ___ but" arguments which is akin to saying "no offense, *insert something offensive*".
It's paper thin, really. Maybe you don't realize that.
Allow me to share some wisdom that may blow your mind with you.
Repeat after me, this is important:
"Your religion is your religion."
You got that? Especially the part where it says "your" as in "only affects you and doesn't default onto everyone else".
Some religious people like to forget that for whatever reason. They mix "yours" and "mine" up all the time like that.
You may think your "argument" is rooted in "common sense", but it's not. It's not even factually correct as others have pointed out already.
That's just you imposing your antiquated "morals" on others so let me ask of you to cut it the fuck out please.
Thank you.
It's literally one of those "you know, I don't have anything against ___ but" arguments which is akin to saying "no offense, *insert something offensive*".
It's paper thin, really. Maybe you don't realize that.
Allow me to share some wisdom that may blow your mind with you.
Repeat after me, this is important:
"Your religion is your religion."
You got that? Especially the part where it says "your" as in "only affects you and doesn't default onto everyone else".
Some religious people like to forget that for whatever reason. They mix "yours" and "mine" up all the time like that.
You may think your "argument" is rooted in "common sense", but it's not. It's not even factually correct as others have pointed out already.
That's just you imposing your antiquated "morals" on others so let me ask of you to cut it the fuck out please.
Thank you.
'Course I support it. Hell, it honestly stuns me that this is still an issue in this day and age. I'll never understand why but I know there are a significant amount of people that just don't like homosexual, but I've never understood what preventing them from marrying is supposed to even accomplish.
Anytime I hear the "What's next? People marrying their dogs?" or "homosexuality is going to increase and grow out of control" arguments or whatever other ridiculous claims, I just can't look at it any way other than an irrational fear of one's fellow man.
Anytime I hear the "What's next? People marrying their dogs?" or "homosexuality is going to increase and grow out of control" arguments or whatever other ridiculous claims, I just can't look at it any way other than an irrational fear of one's fellow man.
I have yet to hear a single convincing argument against gay marriage. I fully support it, I can think of no conceivable reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Even more so considering that civil unions don't offer the same legal rights as marriages. Even if they were completely identical other than the name, people should then have a right to choose whether they would prefer a marriage or a civil partnership. I don't even really understand why people care enough to oppose this kind of thing anyway. It's two people in love wanting to get married, why is that such a terrible idea?
Captcha: level playing field. I wish it was
Captcha: level playing field. I wish it was
Gay people should be able to do whatever they want, and call it whatever they want. What difference does it make to you? It's not like marriage is a prize that you can hold out of gay people's reach so that they might consider being straight - gay people are gay. If you ban gay marriage, you're just showing yourself to be a bigoted homophobe. They'll just do what they've been doing for years. Be gay together.
I'd be interested in you giving an actual book, chapter and verse where polygamy is treated in a positive light (by God) in the Bible. I agree that a man often had many wives in the Bible, including those who were godly persons, but there is a great deal of difference the Bible commenting on traits of an individual and condoning their actions.kickyourass said:
Since this doesn't directly relate address the original topic I'll give more of a rebuttal in spoiler tags so those who aren't interested can move on to more relevant posts.
The Bible doesn't cover up the flaws of its heroes, rather it shows humanity in its deepest sins. Like many other practices performed by the Israelites (such as idolatry), often picked up after mingling with pagan nations, the portrayal of the effects of polygamy are never in a positive light, instead the problems of such relationships are presented (domestic issues abound due to competitiveness and resentment among the women, and even todays unrest in the Middle East can be traced back to the rivalry of Abraham's two wives and their children).
You may be able to make a case that God tolerated the practice until the population of his people had sufficiently matured, before seeking to regulate the evil practice. But from what I know the norm as established by God is one man for one woman. I'm not saying that is no arguement to be made for polygamy in the Bible, but that's your case to make not mine, and from my readings I don't see a strong case for it.
Just to back up my points with specific instances:
Solomon, a king of Israel, maybe the most well known in regards to polygamy with 700 wives and 300 concubines, is in direct contradiction to Deuteronomy 17:16-17 (the only direct command against polygamy), a verse directly aimed at the future kings of Israel "and he shall not acquire many wives to himself" (there are two other 'shall nots' in those verses which showed Solomon was also living wrongly in other areas). His having other wives caused problems with his relationship with God later on in his life, 1 Kings 11:4 "when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods, and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God".
Verses refering to marriage being one man and one woman (singular tense), Genesis 2:24; 1 Timothy 3:2,12; Ephesians 5:23
My view on the topic, I'm in a similar position to the OP, if there was a similar arrangement for gay couples which gave the same legal benefits as marriage I may not be against that. But for me marriage is one man and one woman, and just because it is formed on a religious basis doesn't mean that my opinion is any less valid than anyone elses.
QFT. This quote perfectly illustrates my point.MRMIdAS2k said:
Opposing gay marriage is pure and simple bigotry. Case in point: the TC's insistance on putting the word "marriage" in quotation marks whenever he brings up the concept of gay marriage belittles gays as lesser beings than himself, just like segregation laws did with blacks. It's like saying: "Oh, look at the cute gays who want to get married like they were people! Aren't they ADORABLE?"
If gay marriage was legal everywhere, what would change in your own life, TC? Nothing. Rien. Nada. Ничего. Nichts. Saying you "support gay relationships" means nothing if you don't want them to legally officialize them because of your religious beliefs.
First this is my response to your opinion on marriage only being between Man and Woman.
Marriage is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that creates kinship. The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but is usually an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged.
Hell lots of cultures used to think it was okay for polygamous relationships and marriages but you know heaven forbid gay people get married.
But to answer your question, yes I support gay marriage. I believe that people have the right to live their life the way they want it and if that means they want to have a legally binding union with someone of the same sex fine by me.
And to be honest I don't even have a problem with people who are against gay marriage, hey that's your opinion which you are entitled too but when people start pulling the whole "What that group of people do is against my religion" they begin to discriminate, and that's just wrong. What they do has no affect on *insert homophobic group here* so get over it.
On top of that, although I'm Canadian so my understanding of the U.S Constitution may be a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure somewhere in there it says something about a separation between God and State so seeing people say that Gay people and gay marriage are unAmerican pisses me off cause it shows how ignorant *insert random homophobic asshat here* is.
(This in no way says that Canadians do not discriminate however, this topic begins with American statistics so I ran with that)
TLDNR; Yes I support gay marriage.
ALSO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-INsIbVcw&list=UUGaVdbSav8xWuFWTadK6loA&index=5&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQw0eLzfGNI&list=UUGaVdbSav8xWuFWTadK6loA&index=4&feature=plcp
Marriage is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that creates kinship. The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but is usually an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged.
Hell lots of cultures used to think it was okay for polygamous relationships and marriages but you know heaven forbid gay people get married.
But to answer your question, yes I support gay marriage. I believe that people have the right to live their life the way they want it and if that means they want to have a legally binding union with someone of the same sex fine by me.
And to be honest I don't even have a problem with people who are against gay marriage, hey that's your opinion which you are entitled too but when people start pulling the whole "What that group of people do is against my religion" they begin to discriminate, and that's just wrong. What they do has no affect on *insert homophobic group here* so get over it.
On top of that, although I'm Canadian so my understanding of the U.S Constitution may be a little rusty, but I'm pretty sure somewhere in there it says something about a separation between God and State so seeing people say that Gay people and gay marriage are unAmerican pisses me off cause it shows how ignorant *insert random homophobic asshat here* is.
(This in no way says that Canadians do not discriminate however, this topic begins with American statistics so I ran with that)
TLDNR; Yes I support gay marriage.
ALSO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-INsIbVcw&list=UUGaVdbSav8xWuFWTadK6loA&index=5&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQw0eLzfGNI&list=UUGaVdbSav8xWuFWTadK6loA&index=4&feature=plcp
Yes, it does make it less valid, because who the hell are you to force your own archaic beliefs onto someone who does not follow them. I believe in equal rights for everyone, and I believe that your messiah did as well.Khazidhea said:
my whole church is like this,(well the youth thing is and the leaders that do it) one of the members is one of those absolutely REAALLY camp gays that regularly brings his boyfriend and nobody mindsHazy992 said:If only more Christians had your attitude, things would be a lot easierMatt King said: