Poll: do you think there is a place in society for a REAL dark knight?

[Risingblade]

No unless they knew what they were doing they'd probably just end up destroying evidence and making it look like assault or any other crime.

 

[Sean Steele]

Vigilantism is crime, and never works because it limits to the individuals decision of morality. That and crime especially violent crime has gone down as the years go by, what all the noir comics and crapsack world stories don't want to tell you is the world has actually become a less violent and brighter place, not the other way around, overall.

 

[4173]

You know the old jokes about how stupid everyone else must be not to figure out the Bruce Wayne/Clark Kent - Batman/Superman connections?


Well, that.


captcha: in over my head

Yep, that sums it up.

 

[JaceArveduin]

I want to read more about that, care to give a link/give more info? I can't seem to find anything on it.

I've no idea if it was even put in the papers *shrug* For all I remember, it could have been 40, not 20 years ago. If someone goes missing around here, there are lots of places to hide a body, and that's not counting all the pigs they could be fed to.

 

[Hawgh]

Untrained vigilantes running around escalating encounters with criminals? This could not possibly go wrong. No sirree.

 

[BeeGeenie]

Don't do it, bro.
Just put down the cape, and walk away.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

For some reason I can't directly quote the OP. Dunno what that's about.

With all the crime going on in today's society such as people attacking others purely because they are bored

I have never heard a verified case where this is true at all; and it sounds like something made up by news organizations on a slow news day with vague arguments for it's validity.

The police are doing their job and 9 times out of 10 they are doing their job well, but they are tied down by the legal and justice system which is often not harsh enough on criminals.

If not 'tying them down' magically worked better, then that's how the police would operate. But it's not, because it isn't.

look at your area and surrounding areas and I can guarantee that at least one area near you has a high crime rate. Now imagine someone was actually fighting back against crime striking fear into those that strike fear into the community.

All it would teach them, is to be better at violence. And that's exactly what they would do. Look at the aggressive approach the Mexican government took towards the Ciudad Juarez cartels. They brought in forces with unlimited powers, and all that happened is Juarez went from a relatively bad place to being the murder capitol of the world that no one has any idea how to solve. Because sending in tons of police didn't work, and escalating with military forces yielded only the result of getting more innocent people killed.

i understand that this dark knight is still breaking the law and would have to avoid the police ironically like the criminals he/she is facing.

That's not ironic at all, ironic deals with an unexpected result. Vigilantes break the law and are criminals themselves.

so it has me wondering why isnt there an over ambitious male or female out there who has decided to sit at home with a police radio, mask and a make-shift weapon and dish out their own brand of justice to their local area

There are. Plenty of them. They are called vigilantes and they tend to get arrested very quickly because they are really easy to catch for a great many reasons including the fact that they are active where they live, and they have a very predictable MO.

im my personal opinion i think all areas need someone like this, someone who operates outside the law but with good intentions.

That's the same idea behind Extraordinary Rendition, and it yields some really horrifying results.

a dark knight would only be one person in theory but they would have the collective power of the community behind them

Not from me they wouldn't.

 

[Luna]

Also, realistically I couldn't see a female doing this sort of job unless they were more of a gun wielding crime stopper. Physically even a fit woman with fight experience wouldn't stand much of a chance against a reasonably sized man who's not clueless on how to fight and hasn't been stunned by surprise.

Fine, but you have to be the one to tell these women:

Spoiler

I'm sure as hell not doing it for you.

lol. I think your point might be better justified by pictures of female MMA fighters but this is certainly a very visual outlook.


Captcha was 'work out'. Dayum...

 

[Alex909]

Surprised no one mentioned Kick-Ass yet. He got stabbed, hit by a car and put in hospital for months within 2 minutes of his first attempt to stop a car theft. That was fiction but at the same time, an accurate representation of what might happen if someone attempted such a thing.

 

[Tanis]

Nope.

Now, The Punisher on the other hand...could work.

Not saying it's 'right', but it COULD work if you're ex-military and got the view of 'kill all the bad guys, screw the legal system'.

 

[Lionsfan]

Holy Generalization's Batman!

I don't want to sound like an ass, but the movies portrayal of the justice system is not at all real. In fact your whole argument smells like a teenager who has spent way too much time in his basement playing video games and watching movies.

Care to explain how the justice system isn't harsh enough on criminals? Or your reasoning behind this thought: "Now imagine someone was actually fighting back against crime striking fear into those that strike fear into the community"? This one made me laugh, "also its not just a person its a sense of community, a dark knight would inspire others to be more vigilant and be more brave to stand up acknowledge what has happened rather than just cowering behind their curtains".

People aren't hiding behind curtains, and no, there is no high-crime area where the criminals have taken over.

Also, having one person in charge of punishing people and dealing out "justice", very juvenile concept

 

[Chairman Miaow]

If you went after people who were charged but released but you still believe are guilty, then you are a nutbag.

Heh... check out the TV series Dexter.

Yup, he is a sane and well rounded human being and his actions have never hurt an innocent despite all the resources at his disposal and his great knowledge of forensics. -shifty eyes-

 

[karcentric]

No, because it wouldn't work. We don't have a bun creepy villains. Just stupid people unable to contain their own problems.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

Besides, Batman isn't very good at stopping crimes anyway. Hell, he seems to create more criminals than he ever permanently stops.

Yep, as was the point of the Dark Knight. For every vigilante willing to push back against crime, there will be a villain able to push harder. And in the end, they're both criminals.

Id say with that example though, even if Batman creates worse criminals, he showing people that they dont have live in fear, that they can all become heroes and stand up to evil (Evil being a subjective term of course)

 

[Flizzick]

I've always thought of vigilantism as a very intriguing subject; the idea that an ordinary citizen could bring their own form of justice to the table without regard for any legal backlash.

The reason heroes like Batman and Superman are able to fight crime without consequence is because the enemies they fight are completely fantastical; they don't fit within the parameters of what you or I would consider a "normal" criminal to be. This is one of the reasons I find The Punisher to be so interesting. He's just a regular guy (more or less) who wages war on gangsters and criminals because his family was killed by the mob, so he takes it upon himself to rid the world of all the scum.

The point I'm trying to make is that if a city were to have a vigilante, he/she would probably more closely resemble The Punisher rather than Batman.

 

[Thrashgrinder]

A lot of people brought up Punisher. If the main idea is the "strike fear into criminals" That would work. But not actual crime fighting. Sadly people are not awesome. It's possible to stop a mugger or two, but there isn't many people that could take out 8 people with guns or sticks hand-to-hand. That's why someone with high fire power and a very long time at their hands to plan things might work. For example, a big hit to a mob every 6 months or so, would break the wills of many criminals I assume. Of course I'm not suggesting it.

 

[Hagi]

This already exists.

We have groups like Al Qaida and individuals like Anders Breivik who go outside the bounds of the law and fight for what they believe is right.

They strike terror in the hearts of those who oppose them. It's why they're called terrorists.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

My city (montreal, Quebec, Canada) doesn't need one for the regular crime.

We need a dark knight to kick out the mafia groups that have our province's government by the balls. THAT needs taking care of, STAT.