Poll: Does Hatred actually look like a good game?

[Sarge034]

Feel free to explain why I should like Hatred...

Um, you don't have to?

...and the people that like such vapid garbage.

Here's the problem buddy. You said some fairly nasty things about people who have an interest in this game. And here are the rules you broke straight from the CoC by doing so.


Flaming
-Calling people names (or groups who may visit The Escapist), this includes calling others a troll. Calling another user a troll is always an infraction
Offensive Posts
-Please read what you wrote before you post it and think if anyone else could find it offensive.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

You crossed a line by making it personal, can we put it to bed now and discuss the game?

 

[Mutant1988]

Feel free to explain why I should like Hatred...

Um, you don't have to?

and the people that like such vapid garbage.

Here's the problem buddy. You said some fairly nasty things about people who have an interest in this game. And here are the rules you broke straight from the CoC by doing so.


Flaming
-Calling people names (or groups who may visit The Escapist), this includes calling others a troll. Calling another user a troll is always an infraction
Offensive Posts
-Please read what you wrote before you post it and think if anyone else could find it offensive.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/codeofconduct

You crossed a line by making it personal, can we put it to bed now and discuss the game?

I didn't insult anyone specific to this topic so nope, doesn't qualify as flaming. But if you think it will do your argument any good, feel free to report me.

As for offensive post... Isn't it a bit hypocritical to call what I write offensive but be perfectly okay with the subject matter of Hatred?

I suppose people saying mean words is worse than making and supporting the creation of horrendous games.

I have been discussing the game, it's subject matter and it's target audience, as I consider it to be.

I have yet to have my assessment proven "wrong", by any definition of wrong. I've only had my stance dismissed for being "mean".

And that's just tough if you think I am a big old meanie pants. I think the game sucks, the developers suck and anyone that would buy it suck - Based on the information I have available to me.

The only merit anyone can say it has is that it's allowed to exist. That's good, means the media is becoming more progressive. I don't deny it the right to exist. But the fact that it's permitted to exist won't stop me from criticizing it for the garbage I consider it to be.

I wouldn't censor Mein Kampf either, but I would call it an awful book and I'd be vary of anyone that consider it good reading material.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

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Who said anything about you having to like Hatred? Where the fuck have I ever even come close to saying that? If anything, I've made it pretty clear that not liking Hatred is perfectly fine. It's being condescending to those who are interested in it that I'm not, however, fine with. That's the crux of my issue, not your opinion of the game or its concept.

I dig the concept because I've always been fascinated with evil, the dark side, and the like. There are plenty of horrible protagonists in media, but they tend to either be anti-heroes or at least have some kind of relatable/sympathetic trait. The character in Hatred appears to have no redeemable factor whatsoever. He's evil through and through, and truly despicable. And that appeals to me. To play a protagonist so widely different than one I've ever played before. Darkness and evil are concepts that I've always been interested by, and I see no reason why video games can't explore them as well.

Also, I do somewhat like the look of the gameplay. I dig the aesthetic and the destructive environments look pretty good, as does the brutality of the carnage.

 

[Dr. Octogonopus]

I dig the concept because I've always been fascinated with evil, the dark side, and the like. There are plenty of horrible protagonists in media, but they tend to either be anti-heroes or at least have some kind of relatable/sympathetic trait. The character in Hatred appears to have no redeemable factor whatsoever. He's evil through and through, and truly despicable. And that appeals to me. To play a protagonist so widely different than one I've ever played before. Darkness and evil are concepts that I've always been interested by, and I see no reason why video games can't explore them as well.

Its an interesting point you bring up. Playing characters who are evil for being the sake of being evil. I do however think that this game is in poor taste. Would you still play this game if it was set in a school? Or if you played a Nazi in Auschwitz?

My main problem with this game is that we are finally starting to move away from the media portraying violent videogames as 'murder simulators' and then this game comes out that, judging from the trailers, looks like Murder Spree Simulator 2015.

 

[Genocidicles]

I guess it depends on the challenge really.

If it's all just mindless slaughter of civilians then I can't see it being very good, simply because of how easy that would be.

If there are more challenging enemies, like first cops, then swat and then the army or whatever then I guess I could be alright.

 

[Sarge034]

I didn't insult anyone specific to this topic so nope, doesn't qualify as flaming. But if you think it will do your argument any good, feel free to report me.

Ah but you did, "Calling people names (or groups who may visit The Escapist)". Are you telling me that those who have an interest in the game don't visit the escapist? Those people who you insulted and called names.

As for offensive post... Isn't it a bit hypocritical to call what I write offensive but be perfectly okay with the subject matter of Hatred?

Nope. One's a game, a fictional piece of media, and the other is hateful speech directed at actual people. Might surprise you to know I don't find GTA, Hatred, Postal, et all appealing, but I do appreciate their existence. Hating the games are fine and being vocal about it is too, but verbally berating people who like a piece of media you disagree with is not fine (so long as it's legal). Be the exact same thing if I called everyone who had an issue with the game something along the lines of closed minded immature censoring fascists... Not that I am, of course, but it goes both ways.

I suppose people saying mean words is worse than making and supporting the creation of horrendous games.

First, I would like to point out the irony and hypocrisy of this. You support the creation of the game by saying, "The only merit anyone can say it has is that it's allowed to exist. That's good, means the media is becoming more progressive. I don't deny it the right to exist." You might not like it but in the interest of diversity and progressiveness you support it, lol.

I have been discussing the game, it's subject matter and it's target audience, as I consider it to be.

I have yet to have my assessment proven "wrong", by any definition of wrong. I've only had my stance dismissed for being "mean".

And that's just tough if you think I am a big old meanie pants. I think the game sucks, the developers suck and anyone that would buy it suck - Based on the information I have available to me.

Everything you said here was fine, I even encourage it, except the bolded bits. Once you make it personal, and let's be frank because there are people here who support the game it will be taken personally, then you've crossed a line. You will never be "proven" wrong because these are your opinions. You see them as fact and you see no issue with them. Doesn't make personal attacks any less wrong. So please by all means continue to voice your opinions about the game and the devs, it's important to have discussion on this type of stuff, but don't attack people who like something you don't.

I wouldn't censor Mein Kampf either, but I would call it an awful book and I'd be vary of anyone that consider it good reading material.

I think it's many things; propaganda, hate speech, a view inside a monster's mind, but not awful. In fact it's far from awful, it's actually rather well written. Do I subscribe to what it advocates? Of course not, but I can appreciate it for what it offers. If nothing else it helps me to understand those I disagree with better and the most important thing in defeating your enemy is understanding them.

 

[Mutant1988]

First, I would like to point out the irony and hypocrisy of this. You support the creation of the game by saying, "The only merit anyone can say it has is that it's allowed to exist. That's good, means the media is becoming more progressive. I don't deny it the right to exist." You might not like it but in the interest of diversity and progressiveness you support it, lol.

I don't really see any hypocrisy in supporting free speech but disliking juvenile attention seeking garbage and the people that like such things.

And if you note my wording there, what I'm inferring is that it's the only merit it seems to have, period. It exists. It's allowed to exist. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think it does a good job in even existing.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

I don't really see any hypocrisy in supporting free speech but disliking juvenile attention seeking garbage and the people that like such things.

How can you know it's garbage when it's not even out yet? Also how does consuming ANY media make people garbage too? People aren't defined by what kind of media they consume. At least not negatively.

 

[Mutant1988]

I don't really see any hypocrisy in supporting free speech but disliking juvenile attention seeking garbage and the people that like such things.

How can you know it's garbage when it's not even out yet? Also how does consuming ANY media make people garbage too? People aren't defined by what kind of media they consume. At least not negatively.

Doesn't the saying go "You are what you eat"? It's kinda like that. If people throw money at shallow crap like this, more shallow crap like this will be made.

Didn't Postal already do all this anyway? Or is the issue that Postal wasn't realistic enough? Ah, right. You do want realism in your mass murdering games.

 

[thewatergamer]

Speaking from as objective a Point of view as I can?

Hatred looks pretty terrible, the gameplay looks boring and repetitive, the graphical style isn't very interesting to look at, yeah...

Ignoring all the controversy that it's obviously trying to convert into sales... Yeah it doesn't look like anything I would consider dropping money on...

 

[SquallTheBlade]

Doesn't the saying go "You are what you eat"? It's kinda like that. If people throw money at shallow crap like this, more shallow crap like this will be made.

Not really. I've played dozens and dozens of JRPGs and I still have no desire to kill a god with power of friendship. Also if people are buying "shallow crap" then isn't it a good thing there is going to be more of it? That's more enjoyment for people who like this kind of thing.

Didn't Postal already do all this anyway?

No idea. Never played it. But does it matter? I like JRPGs and I'm happy to play games that are similar because I like them. Same could be applied here. It's only a good thing that more are made for people who like them.

Or is the issue that Postal wasn't realistic enough? Ah, right. You do want realism in your mass murdering games.

"You"? I never said I was going to buy this game. Top down shooters aren't my thing.

 

[Qizx]

I don't like watching people suffer horribly and plead for their lives in any degree of reality.

I agree with this completely, I would refuse in any game to kill someone who's begging for their life (Minus in Fallout when they would beg for their lives AS THEY'RE SHOOTING YOU).

 

[Sarge034]

I don't really see any hypocrisy in supporting free speech but disliking juvenile attention seeking garbage and the people that like such things.

And if you note my wording there, what I'm inferring is that it's the only merit it seems to have, period. It exists. It's allowed to exist. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think it does a good job in even existing.

How does the saying, sorry, the law go? Oh yeah, your free speech ends where mine begins. But regardless, free speech has nothing to do with this as it's a privately owned forum. So the CoC is the law of the land about these parts.

Why do you feel the need to insult people for liking something you don't? Dislike the game sure, but so long as no one is hurting anyone why insult the people?

 

[vledleR]

Could be alright. It's supposed to be open ended, so we could get some of that unscripted chaos lots of us crave in an action game, and the music sounds pretty tight.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

Misinformation?! Why, because the dev said it ain't so, despite overwhelming proof to the contrary? Extreme Right-Wing groups. Just a nicer name for Neo-Nazis.

Trust me. I know what I'm talking about.

Oh the irony.

You say that like it's not significant.

Compared to misinformation being constantly spewed forth? Yeah I think so.
People are far too content to paint all right-wing politics as EVIL without seeing how bigotted it is to call others Nazis for being associated with others who have views that they dislike.

Even putting all of their associations aside, the devs still respond to their detractors with all the professionalism and grace of an angry fourteen year old. Which is ironic because it feels like those are the exact people this game is for.

So says the one with the username Ebola-chan.

This is a tasteless attempt at wish-fulfillment, plain and simple.

yay for fiction.

It's not the violence that's off-putting, it's the way mass murder is glorified, the way the protagonist is painted as some bold revolutionary who's not afraid to go against the grain. I'm against censorship, so I wouldn't say it should be banned, but I won't hesitate to call it out as the bullshit it seems to be.

I've seen a lot of comments saying that the gameplay resembles a school shooting, and what really put me off the whole thing was the speech the protagonist gave at the beginning of the trailer. It sounds exactly like thought-process of a school shooter. I'm not one of those people who thinks videogames make people violent, but this seems like it's marketed towards violent people. Anyone who takes pleasure in this has some serious fucking problems.

Bold revolutionary who sounds like a sociopathic school shooter. Make up your mind.

My main problem with this game is that we are finally starting to move away from the media portraying violent videogames as 'murder simulators' and then this game comes out that, judging from the trailers, looks like Murder Spree Simulator 2015.

That recent SVU episode would disagree with you.

 

[thehorror2]

Honestly, no it doesn't. I'm all for free speech, the game should get a release, but it just doesn't look like much fun. Anything it could bring to the table Postal 2 already did, years ago, and better. (And it didn't take itself so damned SERIOUSLY. If this is actually a parody game, it's hitting Poe's Law HARD.)

 

[Just Ebola]

Compared to misinformation being constantly spewed forth? Yeah I think so.
People are far too content to paint all right-wing politics as EVIL without seeing how bigotted it is to call others Nazis for being associated with others who have views that they dislike.

I'm not trying to weigh in on politics, I never said that anyone who has right-wing values is a Nazi. I just take issue with the company that the developers keep, I'm not going to dismiss it because somebody says "C'mon, it was only one time."

So says the one with the username Ebola-chan.

Irrelevant.

yay for fiction.

And three cheers for free speech.

Bold revolutionary who sounds like a sociopathic school shooter. Make up your mind.

You seem to have misunderstood. I was talking about how the trailer is glorifying murderous and sociopathic behavior, portraying the protagonist as a revolutionary when actually he's just disgusting and insane. I assure you, my mind is made up.

 

[BarkBarker]

Hatred looks mundane, context makes me enjoy violence, this context bores the every living fuck outta me. I play as the Hulk in the Hulk games because I'm looking to harm people who harm me, hurting a civilian is boring, like burning ants with a lens.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

I dunno, it's not out yet.

There isn't a lot to go on from the lack of any real details on the gameplay besides "you kill people in a top-down way" and it doesn't seems not be taking the "ironic" approach and playing it's rather boring premise completely straight. I also don't really like the dev's tooting their own horn by pretending they're some sort of morale crusaders instead of opportunistic controversy whores.

But as I said, it's not out yet. It might surprise me.

 

[Scow2]

I didn't insult anyone specific to this topic so nope.

Yes you did. Namely, every single person in this thread who happened to not vote "No" on the poll, or spoke in favor of the game.