Poll: Does Hatred actually look like a good game?

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Xan Krieger

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While it is simplistic it looks like a good time killer, something worth maybe $5 especially if there's mod support. Just good for when you're angry or bored and need to vent it by ventilating a few fictional people. The executing to regain health reminds me of W40K Space Marine in a good way so I'll look forward to seeing how it comes out.
 

atomic304

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I think it looks like a decent isometric shooter, like the first Postal game. Other than that, the objective and player character are kind of like, lame, so I doubt I'd find myself ever getting immersed in it.
 

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Scow2 said:
Mutant1988 said:
I didn't insult anyone specific to this topic so nope.
Yes you did. Namely, every single person in this thread who happened to not vote "No" on the poll, or spoke in favor of the game.
Well, if you want to feel insulted I won't stop you.

Sarge034 said:
Mutant1988 said:
I don't really see any hypocrisy in supporting free speech but disliking juvenile attention seeking garbage and the people that like such things.

And if you note my wording there, what I'm inferring is that it's the only merit it seems to have, period. It exists. It's allowed to exist. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think it does a good job in even existing.
How does the saying, sorry, the law go? Oh yeah, your free speech ends where mine begins. But regardless, free speech has nothing to do with this as it's a privately owned forum. So the CoC is the law of the land about these parts.

Why do you feel the need to insult people for liking something you don't? Dislike the game sure, but so long as no one is hurting anyone why insult the people?
Because I think you facilitate the creation of garbage by buying garbage?

I never said you weren't allowed to disagree with me. I have yet to be convinced by any merit to Hatred still. It hardly seems like an exploration of morality. Rather, it looks like straight anti-social wish fulfilment and a bad game to boot.

Pardon me for not liking terrible games with terrible premises and the people that buy terrible games with terrible premises.

Cue the "But that's just like, your opinion, dude"

Duh.
 

Trippy Turtle

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I don't like to judge games until I've played them so I voted maybe.
Its all about how a game feels, rather than looks.
If I had to judge it, I say it looks reasonably fun.
 

BarryMcCociner

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Cutting out all the bullshit around it, nah it doesn't look like a good game, to be honest I find isometric shooters incredibly boring.

Does it have a right to exist in spite of looking boring and also in spite of the puritan "But it's VIOLENT, WAAAAAAAAH" republican-tier "logic" (read: whining)? Yes, obviously.
 

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I voted No, because it's not a game I would buy at launch.
The engine looks like it could do so much more but the game itself is a bit too simple in it's setup. Though if it floats past me on a steam sale for 90% off I might add it to the pile and buy it in the bulk. Also because I imagine modders will have gone to work on it by then as the engine is good and it supports destructible terrain, this equals to a million possibilities. :D
 

Adultratedhydra

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It's probably not going to be that great but people calling this "The first of its kind" Seem to conveniently forget the -Original- Postal games. Hatred seems to be an attempt to grab that particular lightning right down to the overly grimdark protagonist.

Will it be good? Probably not. Will it be Cathartic? No more than any other game where shooting the X in the X is.
 

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I would never play the game as I don't find the goal or theme very compelling

But it does look very competently made, it's certainly above the usual quality you see from Steam Greenlight
 

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Mutant1988 said:
BathorysGraveland2 said:
If we were on YouTube or a number of other such sites I wouldn't have a problem with the harsh language, and I would certainly dish it back in kind. But the Escapist generally strives for more civil, respectful discourse, which I try to honour. Which is why it's a bit more difficult to chat with someone who quite clearly thinks I'm a shitty person.
Seeing how you haven't actually discussed the game but started a tangent about civility, well... You don't inspire me with confidence in your rhetorical abilities, if nothing else.

Feel free to explain why I should like Hatred and the people that like such vapid garbage. I'm waiting.

You say it has a good concept. What about it is good, specifically? The absolute gratuitous attention seeking of the marketing? The utterly misanthropic protagonist? The utterly tasteless subject matter? The shallowness and triviality it makes of severe mental issues for the sake of shits and giggles? The lazy monochromatic visuals?

It's explicit violence porn specifically made to garner controversy and nothing else. Pretending it's anything else is lying.

ClanCrusher said:
Do the police still show up and gun you down? 'Cause that would be hilarious bit of social commentary right there.
One problem with that - The main character isn't black.
Yep, we all know that when the police are gunning people down, they specifically target Africans.
 

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Just seems kinda silly to me to sit back and watch the trailers and some gameplay videos to make the judgement. Is that seriously how people decide on their purchases?

I'm not really interested in playing it, the trailer had my stomach turning. But lets wait until it's out at least so we can see a lets play or the like before we know if the gameplay is good or not.
 

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Adultratedhydra said:
It's probably not going to be that great but people calling this "The first of its kind" Seem to conveniently forget the -Original- Postal games. Hatred seems to be an attempt to grab that particular lightning right down to the overly grimdark protagonist.

Will it be good? Probably not. Will it be Cathartic? No more than any other game where shooting the X in the X is.
But if I'm not mistaken, in the Postal universe isn't everyone extremely rude and hate filled? Where as, what Hatred is proposing, you're gunning down ordinary people.
 

Mutant1988

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lowhat said:
Yep, we all know that when the police are gunning people down, they specifically target Africans.
Gunning? No. Holding up without due reason? Yeah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling#In_practice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling#Empirical_evidence

But I suppose a bit of gunning too. Kept up with news at all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ferguson_unrest#Racial_context

But I suppose there's Hispanics too. Sorry for forgetting about them.
 

Gameguy20100

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No and here is a comment I left on the trailer to sum up my feelings.

"What is the point of this? Why does he go on a killing spree, is he just bored? Anyone over the age of 12 is going to find this silly.

It's trying way to hard to be shocking which is stupid because shocking people is really really easy. Is there any game-play beyond murdering people? I mean yea I like to just run and blow shit up in prototype as much as the next guy, But there is more to it than that.

Children are not going to be allowed to play this crap and adults are just going to find it boring. So I have concluded this game is not going to be fun for anybody who isn't extremely childish for their age, or a victim of very bad parenting. And If a game is not fun what is the point?"
 

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Gameguy20100 said:
No and here is a comment I left on the trailer to sum up my feelings.

"What is the point of this? Why does he go on a killing spree, is he just bored?
Main character says he finds the humanity disgusting. So no, not just bored.

Anyone over the age of 12 is going to find this silly.
At least it adds variety of protagonists in gaming. We don't see too many many anti-heroes.

It's trying way to hard to be shocking which is stupid because shocking people is really really easy. Is there any game-play beyond murdering people? I mean yea I like to just run and blow shit up in prototype as much as the next guy, But there is more to it than that.
If it's done well do you need anything else?

Children are not going to be allowed to play this crap and adults are just going to find it boring. So I have concluded this game is not going to be fun for anybody who isn't extremely childish for their age, or a victim of very bad parenting.
It was the fastest game to ever greenlit on steam. So there is clearly a market for it.

And If a game is not fun what is the point?"
I didn't have fun playing Spec Ops:The Line but I still love it.
 

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Mutant1988 said:
If you can't see how insulting people for liking a thing you don't not only breaks the CoC here but is just plain wrong, then there is no hope of having any meaningful discussion on the matter. Who are you to decide what is morally acceptable and what is not? Who are you to judge others for their taste in media? You can dislike the media all you want, please do and be vocal about it, but insulting others for not thinking the way you do is perhaps more immature than enjoying "immature" media. I mean, isn't a part of being "mature" learning to accept those who are different from yourself so long as they aren't hurting anyone? Just something to think on.
 

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Sarge034 said:
Mutant1988 said:
If you can't see how insulting people for liking a thing you don't not only breaks the CoC here but is just plain wrong, then there is no hope of having any meaningful discussion on the matter. Who are you to decide what is morally acceptable and what is not? Who are you to judge others for their taste in media? You can dislike the media all you want, please do and be vocal about it, but insulting others for not thinking the way you do is perhaps more immature than enjoying "immature" media. I mean, isn't a part of being "mature" learning to accept those who are different from yourself so long as they aren't hurting anyone? Just something to think on.
Nah. I think I'll keep thinking less of people that enjoy (Or believe they will enjoy) garbage.

I don't really presume to tell you anything about morality. How is that even relevant? Hatred is tasteless garbage, but hardly immoral. Not any more than stupidity is.

Maybe you should ask yourself why my opinion of you matters so much. Because this insistence on me not expressing any kind of negative opinion in regards to other people is getting rather tired. I do think the people that make Hatred are exploitive, controversy invoking, juvenile hacks deserving of no respect.

Can you guess what I think of people that buy into their purposefully engineered garbage? It's nothing nice. Let's just say "Lowest Common Denominator" and leave it at that.

I don't think highly of those that buy every Call of Duty release either. Why? Because in doing so they enable the laziness of those developers in re-using content, year after year. The writing is also absolute garbage, bordering on jingoistic propaganda.

People pre-ordering Ubisoft titles? Establishing that yes, it's okay to ship broken games on release. Or at least that every other game is broken. Then people just forget about the broken game once the polished "sequel" is released. But hey, it's fine - People want a game yearly. Even if it takes a couple of extra months to actually make the game playable after everyone has paid for it already.

Or anyone that buys into subscription based online services, where the service is practically non-existent and only possible because they employ a closed network system. Xbox Live and PS+ anyone? Meanwhile, Steam is perfectly free and I only need an internet connection to play, oh, probably 75% of all games released.

Except MMOs, but I avoid those because they're so obviously engineered to take up the most possible time for the least possible content, to ensure that people keep playing and paying monthly. That or they're free of subscription fees but absolutely awful to play, or make any kind of progress in, without paying money.

I have a reason for disliking people, is what I'm getting at. If me disliking you is so terrible, then feel free to report me. Wouldn't be the first time I got moderated for speaking my mind on such matters as these.

SquallTheBlade said:
At least it adds variety of protagonists in gaming. We don't see too many many anti-heroes.
Wrong. Villain Protagonist. Hero would imply a degree of heroism, which seems to be completely absent.

Also, variety? Yeah, the white 30-ish male with a violence fetish and antisocial tendencies adds a lot of variety, for sure.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainProtagonist
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
Adultratedhydra said:
It's probably not going to be that great but people calling this "The first of its kind" Seem to conveniently forget the -Original- Postal games. Hatred seems to be an attempt to grab that particular lightning right down to the overly grimdark protagonist.

Will it be good? Probably not. Will it be Cathartic? No more than any other game where shooting the X in the X is.
But if I'm not mistaken, in the Postal universe isn't everyone extremely rude and hate filled? Where as, what Hatred is proposing, you're gunning down ordinary people.
Wrong postal game. Look at the Postal games that came before the FPS.
 

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So I hope that the developers are paying people to get angry online. If not they should be. The only reason I know about this game, and I would suspect the overwhelming majority of people who know about it, is because of folks on the net getting the vapors and making a fuss. As to the game itself based on the footage available? Eh. If it were cheap enough it could be a mindless way to kill a little time.
 

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Mutant1988 said:
all of the snip
And I ask the important question again. Why do you feel the need to attack those who enjoy different things than you? Perhaps you should play Hatred... How did you put it? "Let's just say "Lowest Common Denominator" and leave it at that."
 

SquallTheBlade

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Mutant1988 said:
*very long snip of telling people they can't enjoy things*

I have a reason for disliking people, is what I'm getting at.
You have a reason for disliking people because they ENJOY something? I really can't comprehend this. I mean I would understand if these people who you dislike did something to you but they are not. They are just liking things that you don't like. Why all the hatred towards these people?

I actually have a friend who said that everything not aimed at him is wasted resources. That's why he hates anything "casual". He says that those resources could have been used to make a game that he likes. I guess you share similar kind of mind set?