The poll's a bit limited. Ignorance, yes, that does annoy me and there's no excuse. Irreverence, yes, what Michael Bay did to transformers was, in my opinion, inappropriate and it does annoy me. However, I don't expect an adaptation to remain completely faithful, some things just need changing. Marvel's woven an excellent story for its cinematic universe that wouldn't have been as good if they'd followed the comic canon to the letter.
Poll: Does ignorance of source material annoy you?
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Pokemon is a big one for me. Just the games in general, not the t.v. show. When fans think that the first 3 games are the best in the series. No they are not. You might have had the most fun playing them, they are not the best. 4th gen split the attacks into physical/special. Meaning that in the first 3 Pokemon games, all fire type moves were considered special. The 4th gen came along, some fire type moves became physical. This makes the games better and it turned some useless Pokemon into real contenders. The newer games still have the Pokemon you know and love in them. There are the people that ***** about there being to many Pokemon. Since when did the games force you to catch em all. Catch the ones you like, you move on. Then the people that claim that the Pokemon have gotten more retarded in the newer gens. No they haven't. You just focus on the ones you hate, then yeah. I think the 2nd gen has the worst Pokemon designs in it. There are several good pokes from the 2nd gen. There are more horrible designs than good ones in my opinion.
Look, I don't really care what you said but I wanted you to know that your avatar is approved. I'm giving it thumbs up.ToastiestZombie said:
OT: A bit. Depends. I recognise different adaptations as...different adaptations. I am not too bothered if somebody talks about characters/events from one in the context of it. Well, assuming the adaptations aren't horrendous and breaking everything. But If they are going to make statements about the larger whole based on the small snippet they have, that's annoying. But I don't really think it's specific to entertainment - I'm always annoyed with arguments based on ignorance.
I'm personally glad I saw the movie before reading the comics. If I had read the comics first, I probably would have been prone to some degree of nerd rage when so much was repurposed, rewritten, moved around, or removed. Having seen movie then books, I can enjoy both by accepting them as different versions of the same thing with their own merits without negatively comparing it to the arguably superior comics.Rylot said:
But yeah, I get some degree of this, though I am also guilty of being ignorant of some things even having a source material at times which I'm sure pisses some people off if it ever becomes apparent.
Only when they are dead wrong.
You know, if someone experiences a movie / game or w/e and doesn't know any better, i can live with that. You could always tell him about the source material if he wants.
Now the one time i did get quite annoyed and was dieing of laughter at the same time, was when some 16y/o boy tried to tell me that some bullshit rapper {one of those top 40chart kind) created, and was the first to use, this
Now that pissed me right off. Specially since dumb cunts (pardon my language, but you didn't meet this people, they really were) believed him.
You know, if someone experiences a movie / game or w/e and doesn't know any better, i can live with that. You could always tell him about the source material if he wants.
Now the one time i did get quite annoyed and was dieing of laughter at the same time, was when some 16y/o boy tried to tell me that some bullshit rapper {one of those top 40chart kind) created, and was the first to use, this
Now that pissed me right off. Specially since dumb cunts (pardon my language, but you didn't meet this people, they really were) believed him.
There are acceptable limits of ignorance obviously. Not everyone is going to be an expert on the material. In the case of Hollywood though, I'm often baffled as to why they choose to generally ignore the source material in favor of "some new vision". Comic book movies tend to be the worst for it, but it often happens to other properties. (I'm lookin' at YOU Conan The Barbarian of 1982.)
If it's done as close to the material as they can while making modest changes I can live with it though. Except the end of the Watchmen. That shit was stupid.
If it's done as close to the material as they can while making modest changes I can live with it though. Except the end of the Watchmen. That shit was stupid.
Honestly, I myself am ignorant of probably more source material than most, not having been an avid reader of comics at any point. And I think it's unreasonable to expect people to be familiar with the enitre body of lore surrounding a character that has been explored for decades before forming an opinion of them in relation to the content they have consumed. Mainly because especially in regards to comics, many different versions of the character exist, and movie versions tend not to be representative entirely of the originals. Although I can understand how you would be annoyed if after a couple of movies someone was satisfied with their knowledge of a character enough to try and argue about it.
Having not found myself in many debates over lore in comics and not being a particularly vocal person in light of my ignorance on the matter, what annoys me is when manga and anime are drastically different, such as in Fullmetal Alchemist. They really screw with the entire story, down to the villain's motivations. The reason is they were making the anime before the comics were done, but even so, were I in a discussion with someone who'd only seen the anime I'd probably be a bit fanboyish too.
The second thing is that no, it sort of does push the catch 'em all. You have a Pokedex you're obliged to fill. It's always been a motivation, and it's caused a lot of frustration for younger or more avid players who don't happen to live in Japan over the years trying to complete their Pokedex. The majority move on, it took me two generations to stop bothering with any Pokemon I don't particularly want, but a large amount still fruitlessly pursue a full Pokedex and it's made worse by Nintendo's ridiculously convoluted transferring from platform to platform that makes it theoretically possible to do so.
Having not found myself in many debates over lore in comics and not being a particularly vocal person in light of my ignorance on the matter, what annoys me is when manga and anime are drastically different, such as in Fullmetal Alchemist. They really screw with the entire story, down to the villain's motivations. The reason is they were making the anime before the comics were done, but even so, were I in a discussion with someone who'd only seen the anime I'd probably be a bit fanboyish too.
2 points, I generally agree with you. One, people complain about an icecream and a bag of rubbish as Pokemon and cite them as unoriginal. Pokemon were never particularly inspired. In Gen 1 we have a rock with arms, a puddle of purple sludge and a straight-up bunch of eggs. I think what's really happening is that as Pokemon as a whole is seeing more iterations people are seeing the designs for what they really are, which tends to be nothing all that original anyway. Some individual designs are retarded, and the icecream and rubbish bag are testament to that, but from generation to generation they haven't really gotten better or worse as a whole.Ratties said:
The second thing is that no, it sort of does push the catch 'em all. You have a Pokedex you're obliged to fill. It's always been a motivation, and it's caused a lot of frustration for younger or more avid players who don't happen to live in Japan over the years trying to complete their Pokedex. The majority move on, it took me two generations to stop bothering with any Pokemon I don't particularly want, but a large amount still fruitlessly pursue a full Pokedex and it's made worse by Nintendo's ridiculously convoluted transferring from platform to platform that makes it theoretically possible to do so.
Eh, while quite a bit was changed around I still felt like it fit the tone and was true to the source material enough that I really enjoyed it. If they'd tried to fit everything from the comics it would've been five hours long (which I would've been fine with). In fact I'm rather glad they didn't just retread all the same jokes and the exact plot points; I thought it struck a good balance between being different and similar. The only thing that really bugged me was at the very end when it looked like Scott might go with Knives.Quazimofo said:
Since I'm probably guilty of being ignorant of source material myself, I can't really complain too much. I've never really been into comic books and thus my only real exposure to DC and Marvel's receptive universes is through TV, movies, video games, and the occasional book. Besides I don't often discuss these sorts of things so I've never really been in the situation you describe, but I can see how it'd be rather irritating.
I don't understand why they have to screw up mah X-Men... I mean, to a non-fan, a guy/girl with super powers is cool. To a fan, a character added out of context or misused is something to get pissed off about. I'm also a bit bitter that Marvel has managed to do such great things with their properties and... my X-Men are slipping down there with Fantastic Four and Daredevil...
So yes, yes I do.
So yes, yes I do.
To tell the truth I prefer the first anime adaptation than brotherhood - brotherhood, at least to me, felt like it hit the ground running, throwing character after character at the viewer without giving much time to flush them out and the whole thing felt a little more cartoonish than it probably should have been - the first series was slower, flushed out and felt realistic in terms of emotions - you got time to find a favorite character without them being up in your face all of the timeRelish in Chaos said:
Though in the context of the movie, which takes place in a drastically shorter timeframe, that potential outcome was completely reasonable. Otherwise, yeah I get your point. Still, it's the whole thing with "the book(s) is(are) always better". You cant help but feel a little disappointed that they left out something from the book that you liked in order to shorten the thing into movie format (since not everything can be LOTR/Schindler's list long and have people still be interested)Rylot said:
No, it's basically impossible to know the fictional background of every fictional character. No one official source is more authoritative than another either. It might be easier on you to remember that there are many different alternate versions of popular fictional characters. The new X-men movies for example are their own separate canon, it doesn't matter what happened/happens in the comics in the context of the movies. And remember, in a lot of cases the most popular interpretations of characters are the ones that get re-used, not the first. A lot of the stuff you think you know about super heroes is not from the first, second or even third interpretation.
What you describe op doesn't bother me too much. But I always view movies and cartoons as a separate universe. But I've never been in a situation quite like what was described. I'm pretty used to explaining to family members who is who and what was what when it comes to comic book movies(there was always questions after we left the movie theaters and even now they will call me and ask my opion on such things).
I only really get annoyed when people are mocking something out of a desire to mock it. It doesn't matter if their knowledge is limited or vast on the subject--if they're intentionally being negative to others about a fandom or a part of a fandom, they're being obnoxious. You don't need to be ignorant of something to be negative.
I don't think it's fair to chastise people for not having x amount of knowledge on a subject. If they're excited about it and using whatever amount of knowledge they have to be happy and make others happy, then I don't care how much they know about it. You don't need to know about the Valeyard or Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart to enjoy Doctor Who, you don't need to know about how Ash and Charmander met to enjoy Pokemon, and you don't need to know what happened in issue no. 894 of Batman to enjoy any other part of it. So what if there are people out there who only enjoy Christopher Nolan's Batman, or J.J. Abram's Star Trek? Your disapproval is not going to stop these things from existing, and nor is it going to make anybody who might be interested in learning about those older stories more likely to explore them. I think "nerd culture" is fast becoming more accepting of outsiders, but this sort of "You must be this knowledgable on the subject to truly enjoy it" elitism is just idiotic. Of course if they're telling outright lies that's obnoxious, but again the problem there isn't their ignorance but rather their desire to offend and disagree with others.
I don't think it's fair to chastise people for not having x amount of knowledge on a subject. If they're excited about it and using whatever amount of knowledge they have to be happy and make others happy, then I don't care how much they know about it. You don't need to know about the Valeyard or Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart to enjoy Doctor Who, you don't need to know about how Ash and Charmander met to enjoy Pokemon, and you don't need to know what happened in issue no. 894 of Batman to enjoy any other part of it. So what if there are people out there who only enjoy Christopher Nolan's Batman, or J.J. Abram's Star Trek? Your disapproval is not going to stop these things from existing, and nor is it going to make anybody who might be interested in learning about those older stories more likely to explore them. I think "nerd culture" is fast becoming more accepting of outsiders, but this sort of "You must be this knowledgable on the subject to truly enjoy it" elitism is just idiotic. Of course if they're telling outright lies that's obnoxious, but again the problem there isn't their ignorance but rather their desire to offend and disagree with others.
I think the main thing for me would be the Slenderman thing before and after the game came out, but I guess that's also just feeling a bit like a hipster. It's a pretty similar feeling to when somebody takes all of about 2 minutes to look something up on google then proceeds to act like an expert on it.
All the resi movies dont follow the games. They are separate but they are similar although i think it should be more horror based than the action they are. But then some movies completely change everything and is nothing like the source material like the WWZ movie. Now that pisses me off.I know film cant be the same as its source, or atleast have to simplify parts as they only have 90 minutes to do it. But atleast get the basic stuff done.