Poll: Does the current school system actually work?

[sneakypenguin]

No it does not work in the least, my experience trying to get into a College of Business admin school. I have a 3.5 gpa in all my precore business classes but because I suck at language arts and spanish I'm struggling to keep my GPA high enough for admittance. Augh the college system sucks ass(but it's worth it once your in your major).

As far as k-12 education I say a huge issue is not segregating students enough, that is take the smart ones a put them in much harder classes(no, honors classes don't count). Trying to make an education system to fit all people is just ridiculous everything just gets dragged down to the lower levels because god forbid you should leave anyone behind. Up standards and you up performance(generally)+ segregate students by skill level,motivation,tallet etc.

Also I don't know about you but in high school teachers just give grades out, "o you forgot to turn it in that's okay i'll give you a B on it, just don't forget next time."(crap like that)
Also prolly watched every movie that released on DVD during those 4 years, or just had "study days" i'd say only about half of the classes used their actually allotted amount.
Gah I hate public education systems

 

[Lord Beautiful]

but yeah i could do without having to mandatorily take french, now theres a useless class.

Do what? Dude, French is excellent. Foreign languages in general are excellent. And think of the girls you could pick up if you were an adept French-speaker, as properly spoken French is beautiful. It's a shame that I had four years of education in French and I remember so little of it now.

my good fellow escapist, while i do agree that french is a beautiful language, its usefulness in todays world is about as important as knowing how to cook dirt, which is why i am taking mandarin chinese online so at least i know that i can speak directly to our invaders and plead for mercy when they take over the world.

Good point, but say that you come across an attractive Chinese woman... French would come in handy, methinks.

"Bonjour. Voudrais-tu un... petit morir... s'il vous plait?"
Congrats. Your last duty is to guide Chun Li to the sack.

My friend you would be quite correct should i only know english, but i also speak fluent spanish in 4 dialects including Espana spanish.

Damn right, man!

hell yeah dude, im going to sha ryu ken her all night long! all night all night long.. damn that song...

I hate to nitpick, but there's no a in shoryuken. But other than that, it's all good. I would have gone with a different song, like Yummy Down on This by Bloodhound
Gang.

can do brother, wait what the hell was this thread about?

The current condition of school systems, apparently. I think we got just a bit off track.

 

[leugim789]

but yeah i could do without having to mandatorily take french, now theres a useless class.

Do what? Dude, French is excellent. Foreign languages in general are excellent. And think of the girls you could pick up if you were an adept French-speaker, as properly spoken French is beautiful. It's a shame that I had four years of education in French and I remember so little of it now.

my good fellow escapist, while i do agree that french is a beautiful language, its usefulness in todays world is about as important as knowing how to cook dirt, which is why i am taking mandarin chinese online so at least i know that i can speak directly to our invaders and plead for mercy when they take over the world.

Good point, but say that you come across an attractive Chinese woman... French would come in handy, methinks.

"Bonjour. Voudrais-tu un... petit morir... s'il vous plait?"
Congrats. Your last duty is to guide Chun Li to the sack.

My friend you would be quite correct should i only know english, but i also speak fluent spanish in 4 dialects including Espana spanish.

Damn right, man!

hell yeah dude, im going to sha ryu ken her all night long! all night all night long.. damn that song...

I hate to nitpick, but there's no a in shoryuken. But other than that, it's all good. I would have gone with a different song, like Yummy Down on This by Bloodhound
Gang.

can do brother, wait what the hell was this thread about?

The current condition of school systems, apparently. I think we got just a bit off track.

It seems this conversation proved our point, no.

 

[dcheppy]

No it does not work in the least, my experience trying to get into a College of Business admin school. I have a 3.5 gpa in all my precore business classes but because I suck at language arts and spanish I'm struggling to keep my GPA high enough for admittance. Augh the college system sucks ass(but it's worth it once your in your major).

As far as k-12 education I say a huge issue is not segregating students enough, that is take the smart ones a put them in much harder classes(no, honors classes don't count). Trying to make an education system to fit all people is just ridiculous everything just gets dragged down to the lower levels because god forbid you should leave anyone behind. Up standards and you up performance(generally)+ segregate students by skill level,motivation,tallet etc.

Also I don't know about you but in high school teachers just give grades out, "o you forgot to turn it in that's okay i'll give you a B on it, just don't forget next time."(crap like that)
Also we prolly watched every movie that released on DVD during those 4 years, or we just had "study days" i'd say only about half of the classes used their actually allotted amount.
Gah I hate public education systems

Private education is no better(in quality of material learned), just more expensive. (At least in higher education) Private schools merely look better on a job application/graduate school application, but your level of education coming out of them is no better than in a good state school. Even with a private education you're only going to get an entry level job. What really matters in a career is work experience.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Private education is no better(in quality of material learned), just more expensive. (At least in higher education) Private schools merely look better on a job application/graduate school application, but your level of education coming out of them is no better than in a good state school. Even with a private education you're only going to get an entry level job. What really matters in a career is work experience.

Just going by ACT scores from my county the three big schools avg ranged between 20.8 to 21.5 the local christian school was 23. something. Of course that could be indicative of the caliber of students rather than of actual material.

 

[Higurashi]

Are all schools like this?

Nope. Come to Sweden; we are second to none when it comes to education.
Warning! Warning! Opinion red alert!
Shut up! *crushes with mighty fists* I have to get rid of those alarm systems..
Seriously though, that is what I think. As for the US.. I could not possible say anything, as I have too little experience. I did visit an elementary school in Boca Raton (Florida) when I was twelve, and it seemed okay at the time, but, as far as I know, the qualities of absolutely anything can vary from state to state. Some of your states just seem like different countries overall. Also, I hate to say it, but I can think of no miraculous way to rescue the educational system (or a myriad of other things) of the States. Sorry.
Well, if I dug into it, I could emerge with a theory, but alas.

 

[XxFear ItselfxX]

It seems my school blew money and 45 minutes of today's class time on a MAGIC SHOW. Good school system?! It's terrible! The new schedule is ever worse. They actually spent more money and grades have dropped faster than the WaMu (including mine). It's not ADHD friendly and seeing as how I have ADHD I may have to retake several classes my senior year.
The Dalles High School: screwing you and your children since 2005! It was great back in the 60s...

 

[XxFear ItselfxX]

Are all schools like this?

Nope. Come to Sweden; we are second to none when it comes to education.
Warning! Warning! Opinion red alert!
Shut up! *crushes with mighty fists* I have to get rid of those alarm systems..
Seriously though, that is what I think. As for the US.. I could not possible say anything, as I have too little experience. I did visit an elementary school in Boca Raton (Florida) when I was twelve, and it seemed okay at the time, but, as far as I know, the qualities of absolutely anything can vary from state to state. Some of your states just seem like different countries overall. Also, I hate to say it, but I can think of no miraculous way to rescue the educational system (or a myriad of other things) of the States. Sorry.
Well, if I dug into it, I could emerge with a theory, but alas.

STAY AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE! Even americans know it sucks! I'm still in the twisted grade ladder and I'm sick of it. Graduation requirements are so outragous...

 

[Higurashi]

STAY AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE! Even americans know it sucks! I'm still in the twisted grade ladder and I'm sick of it. Graduation requirements are so outragous...

Yes.. you have had an epiphany of late, have you not? In truth, I feel sorry for you all.
That aside, knowledge shall always be pursued!

 

[mark_n_b]

I'm a 16 year old student attending an unnamed school in NoVa. I do not like my school, nor the way it is run. I am stuck in my current situation of taking useless classes that i cannot bare to stand much longer. Are all schools like this? Is it really worth the money and trouble? Or should we be doing research (off the internet if necessary) on stuff we are truly interested in instead of spending useless time learning about history. I use history as an example because i find it useless. Let me hear your opinion, can the school system be improved or are we gridlocked in our current state?

And what do you think you find interesting? And how on earth would you propose that the world accommodate this kind of system?

Fact is, you are in secondary school, you are not going to enjoy all your classes and are going to presume they are all irrelevant and useless whether they are or they are not. History, for instance, is valuable for understanding reasoning behind modern political systems. Separation of church and state does not make much sense unless you understand the world in which this wasn't the case.

But let's say you are more into gaming and would like to pursue a career in game development instead of politics, and assuming you're not interested in making period themed games:

Physics is important in developing game systems, the concepts are key components in animation, and understanding them aids you in art creation and working in the game development world.

Writing is a huge component of gaming making English important and even if you aren't going to be a writer, you will be working with various documentation and communicating with a team and will need to know how to do so clearly.

DO NOT get anything less than an A- in trig, srsly, you will be kicking yourself for it later.

You get the point. If you looked you could probably find relevancy in any subject you are taking, focus on that. Being worldly makes you better at your chosen field than being whiny and ignorant of anything but those things you find immediately interesting (most of which aren't nearly as awesome as you think, grass always greener sort of thing)

also, I'm willing to bet you get to choose electives, which is all about learning to structure your education within an established curriculum.

 

[Zersy]

school has SUCK and will always SUCK

ironicly if anyone listened to gamers on a foroum the world would be a better place

the sad thing is that evrything i just said is TRUE

 

[Flying-Emu]

The ancient methods we use for teaching are wrong at their very core... Therefore the school system must be broken.

Teachers (at least in WA) have to take a single semester of Psychology to be admitted to the Union or whatever they use. During Psychology, they inform the future teachers about a very important discovery that occurred... oh, fifty years ago or so. The discovery?

The human mind is NOT a warehouse.

Yet the school system continues to shove piles and piles of information into these children's heads, making them memorize facts for two weeks until they pass the test. Let's examine the definition of learning.

Learning: Long term retention of memorized material.

Two weeks =/= long term.

The school system does not teach. They force kids to memorize and regurgitate information. Then they don't mind if you forget it; they did their jobs. I asked myself, "Why don't they -want- to teach us, make us learn?"

Of course, it's just speculation on my part. But think about it; if college professors (for the sake of argument, we'll use them) make X amount of dollars per student per semester, and they have a way to double, triple the value of X, would they not do it?

College professors teach the old-fashioned way. When I say old, I mean educational practices that were used over two thousand years ago. Since the students don't actually retain much of the information they're "taught", they are forced to take the class AGAIN, thereby putting more money into the professor's wallet.

True learning is when you can be TAUGHT something the correct way, and then four years later answer a question about the learned topic.

At least, that's the way I view it.

 

[Lord George]

I think the system in England is fine, at least in my school, I got to take my GCSE's early inn year 9, which I passed easily and then got to go into sixth form by year 11, I'm 16 now and I'm in the final year of completing my A levels and I'm predicted B's and an A, and I only have 3 lessons a day at the most so its brilliant for me as I'm lazy and intelligent

 

[captainwillies]

I'm in australia sucks here.

 

[kiwisushi]

Schools have gone down the pan in Wales. My ex-high school has gone down the route of mixed-ability classes. Supposedly this will encourage the less motivated to work. In reality this is just dumbing down everything, leading to more disruptive classes. Also the continual testing and evaluating of schools based on grades lead teachers to advise pupils to do subjects that have higher pass percentages (Media studies and the like) than subjects like Chemistry, Physics and Law at A Level.

I really hope that the grammar school system is re-introduced as the current system is farcical.

 

[kiwisushi]

I think the system in England is fine, at least in my school, I got to take my GCSE's early inn year 9, which I passed easily and then got to go into sixth form by year 11, I'm 16 now and I'm in the final year of completing my A levels and I'm predicted B's and an A, and I only have 3 lessons a day at the most so its brilliant for me as I'm lazy and intelligent

Does that mean that you will get into uni at 17? (from your grades, am assuming that you are heading that way)

 

[Steven Kyzburg]

It's bumbling along for now, give it a few years and it will need a desperate overhaul. I'm intending to become a science teacher so I'll find the future interesting...

 

[Lord George]

I think the system in England is fine, at least in my school, I got to take my GCSE's early inn year 9, which I passed easily and then got to go into sixth form by year 11, I'm 16 now and I'm in the final year of completing my A levels and I'm predicted B's and an A, and I only have 3 lessons a day at the most so its brilliant for me as I'm lazy and intelligent

Does that mean that you will get into uni at 17? (from your grades, am assuming that you are heading that way)

Yep if I get good enough grades I should be going off to do an English degree

 

[Lord Beautiful]

but yeah i could do without having to mandatorily take french, now theres a useless class.

Do what? Dude, French is excellent. Foreign languages in general are excellent. And think of the girls you could pick up if you were an adept French-speaker, as properly spoken French is beautiful. It's a shame that I had four years of education in French and I remember so little of it now.

my good fellow escapist, while i do agree that french is a beautiful language, its usefulness in todays world is about as important as knowing how to cook dirt, which is why i am taking mandarin chinese online so at least i know that i can speak directly to our invaders and plead for mercy when they take over the world.

Good point, but say that you come across an attractive Chinese woman... French would come in handy, methinks.

"Bonjour. Voudrais-tu un... petit morir... s'il vous plait?"
Congrats. Your last duty is to guide Chun Li to the sack.

My friend you would be quite correct should i only know english, but i also speak fluent spanish in 4 dialects including Espana spanish.

Damn right, man!

hell yeah dude, im going to sha ryu ken her all night long! all night all night long.. damn that song...

I hate to nitpick, but there's no a in shoryuken. But other than that, it's all good. I would have gone with a different song, like Yummy Down on This by Bloodhound
Gang.

can do brother, wait what the hell was this thread about?

The current condition of school systems, apparently. I think we got just a bit off track.

It seems this conversation proved our point, no.

What do you know? I guess it did.

 

[GothmogII]

As far as I understood it...the modern school system is to create viable workers, hence the broader emphasis on subjects. As long as you can read and know basic arithmetic the system could care less about your education. And I'm not saying this in any pessimistic or angry way, just stating it. Low level workers are always needed, and schools are there to provide them.

Anything beyond that is up to you as a individual, some schools do provide some measure of assistance, but that of course varies.