What are snipers supposed to do? Engage in close quarters combat like the rest of the team? Tht would be stupid. Camping is a legitimate strategy, and I really don't like people complaining about it.
Poll: Does the use of a sniper rifle excuse camping?
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If you use a sniper what else you can do? Also, I'm always searching for a good spot when gets cleared with a shotgun you crab your sniper and the party starts along with the whining and the mf words...it's really funny!!
I don't dig camping, I don't think it's really in the spirit of the game.
I get accused of it a lot, cause no one ever sees me kill them. It's not that I have some crazy ninja stealth, I'm just perpetually lost on multiplayer maps and the only kills I get are if I happen to spot a flash of movement across the map. I'd be totally useless without my sniper rifle. But I do keep moving. I might stick in a good high spot for one or two kills then move on.
I can see why camping might be considered a viable tactic, but it feels more like an exploit to me. If everyone on a map did it, then it wouldn't even be a game, so why should one or two people take adavtage of everyone else using standard tactics to kill them?
I get accused of it a lot, cause no one ever sees me kill them. It's not that I have some crazy ninja stealth, I'm just perpetually lost on multiplayer maps and the only kills I get are if I happen to spot a flash of movement across the map. I'd be totally useless without my sniper rifle. But I do keep moving. I might stick in a good high spot for one or two kills then move on.
I can see why camping might be considered a viable tactic, but it feels more like an exploit to me. If everyone on a map did it, then it wouldn't even be a game, so why should one or two people take adavtage of everyone else using standard tactics to kill them?
For sniping, I pick one spot, get three kills then move on to another spot, like what a real-life sniper would do. (The enemy knows where you are after three shots)
Any other weapon is usualy camping to defend a spot, not to rack up my kill ratio.
Any other weapon is usualy camping to defend a spot, not to rack up my kill ratio.
I think camping is fine as long as 1) you're not spawn camping, 'cause that's just cheap, 2) you're not just waiting around a corner the whole game, because your team needs you playing rather than hiding like a little girl, and 3) you're using the sniper rifle, because a good sniper moves around anyway, and if people can't find you and kill you in the one place you're sitting, they suck.
I've camped, and killed people who've camped... just depends on map type weapon loadout and situation.
it's a legitimate strategy, and if you stay somewhere long enough, an easily foiled strategy... one nade and you'll be pasted... one person smart enough to find that one spot you can't see them from but they can get a clear shot at you, and your face becomes a bullet salad... so really... also in some games there are so many different routes between locations that it's better to use the tried and true shoot twice, and move on strategy... which some idiots called camping when i used it... i think they were just pissed that every time they tried to sneak up on me i was killing them from a different location... hehe
it's a legitimate strategy, and if you stay somewhere long enough, an easily foiled strategy... one nade and you'll be pasted... one person smart enough to find that one spot you can't see them from but they can get a clear shot at you, and your face becomes a bullet salad... so really... also in some games there are so many different routes between locations that it's better to use the tried and true shoot twice, and move on strategy... which some idiots called camping when i used it... i think they were just pissed that every time they tried to sneak up on me i was killing them from a different location... hehe
Is camping acceptable? It's a hard question to answer without any personal bias influencing your argument.
It is not an illegal practice, though some games punish it, but it is, in my opinion, very unsporting unless you have a sniper rifle, which I shall mention later. Whereas other players are fighting a fair fight using their own wits, coordination and skills, the camper simply finds a one-or-two-shot-kill weapon and hides. Most players won't even know the camper is there until they are dead or as good as. Camping is a parasitic strategy that preys on those more sporting than they are. I ask you this: What would happen in a game where everyone was camping? I'd bet it'd end in a no point draw.
I have yet to find a game that makes camping a challenge worthy of calling it a sporting strategy. Timesplitters is probably the only one that springs to mind and that's simply because the multiplayer in that is so chaotic that there is no strategy, sporting or otherwise, that gives the player any advantage over another. If, however, camping did become a challenge and did require some manner of skill and gave the victim a half-decent chance of winning the fight then yes, camping would be a sporting strategy to use.
This brings us on to sniping which is, in my opinion, very reliant on the game itself. In Halo, for example, sniping is so easy that you might as well just up your score by five or ten just by finding the sniper rifle. Whereas in other games, it becomes a lot harder. However, with the blatant overpowering to unnecessarily compensate for the slow rate of fire and limited ammunition capacity that occurs in most games, you only have to hit the target twice for a kill with little or no risk of any personal harm. Still, in the interest of the subject, camping is the only strategy available to the user of this weapon and it does, in most games, require a degree of skill and patience. Camping with a sniper rifle is an irritating practice to the victims, but nevertheless still sporting.
Camping on ammunition, health, armour or any sort of power-up is rarely a fruitful activity to pursue. Most map designers have the initiative to put these in-game items in tactically unsound places to force players not to camp there. So I'd say that camping in this sense is fine but often really, really stupid.
Spawn killing is definitely the most unsporting practice that I have yet to witness in an online multiplayer. You pick on a player that is disorientated from just spawning, has basic equipment and, even if he does know that you are there, doesn't even have enough time to turn and face his attacker. This form of camping is the worst.
In conclusion to what has quickly become an essay more than a quick post, camping is not illegal but is an irritating and often cowardly and unskilled strategy.
It is not an illegal practice, though some games punish it, but it is, in my opinion, very unsporting unless you have a sniper rifle, which I shall mention later. Whereas other players are fighting a fair fight using their own wits, coordination and skills, the camper simply finds a one-or-two-shot-kill weapon and hides. Most players won't even know the camper is there until they are dead or as good as. Camping is a parasitic strategy that preys on those more sporting than they are. I ask you this: What would happen in a game where everyone was camping? I'd bet it'd end in a no point draw.
I have yet to find a game that makes camping a challenge worthy of calling it a sporting strategy. Timesplitters is probably the only one that springs to mind and that's simply because the multiplayer in that is so chaotic that there is no strategy, sporting or otherwise, that gives the player any advantage over another. If, however, camping did become a challenge and did require some manner of skill and gave the victim a half-decent chance of winning the fight then yes, camping would be a sporting strategy to use.
This brings us on to sniping which is, in my opinion, very reliant on the game itself. In Halo, for example, sniping is so easy that you might as well just up your score by five or ten just by finding the sniper rifle. Whereas in other games, it becomes a lot harder. However, with the blatant overpowering to unnecessarily compensate for the slow rate of fire and limited ammunition capacity that occurs in most games, you only have to hit the target twice for a kill with little or no risk of any personal harm. Still, in the interest of the subject, camping is the only strategy available to the user of this weapon and it does, in most games, require a degree of skill and patience. Camping with a sniper rifle is an irritating practice to the victims, but nevertheless still sporting.
Camping on ammunition, health, armour or any sort of power-up is rarely a fruitful activity to pursue. Most map designers have the initiative to put these in-game items in tactically unsound places to force players not to camp there. So I'd say that camping in this sense is fine but often really, really stupid.
Spawn killing is definitely the most unsporting practice that I have yet to witness in an online multiplayer. You pick on a player that is disorientated from just spawning, has basic equipment and, even if he does know that you are there, doesn't even have enough time to turn and face his attacker. This form of camping is the worst.
In conclusion to what has quickly become an essay more than a quick post, camping is not illegal but is an irritating and often cowardly and unskilled strategy.
thanks for putting the shotgun in the poll, can you imagine it? 20 miles away and BOOM critical failure! it would be awesome
you could even be better of camping with a stick, or with a dog or something
you could even be better of camping with a stick, or with a dog or something
If your team has failed to defend a spawn point effectively, and your troops drop into missile blasts and sniper fire... well, thats you and your team's fault. In such a case "getting camped" likely immediately precedes "losing"
Griefing is a subjective matter, but as long as camping does not degenerate into griefing its ok.
Griefing is a subjective matter, but as long as camping does not degenerate into griefing its ok.
Are you kidding? I camp in MGO and MW2, and it takes a lot of skill. For starters, you have to kill them very quickly. Secondly, once you shoot you alert everyone on the other team to your location.firedfns13 said:
Thirdly, the entire point of snipers are to stay in one spot and wait for the perfect shot. Let's take the sniping mission from COD4. Following your logic, instead of Price and his CO waiting for several hours on top of a building for their target to show up, they should have always been on the move and engaged the enemy head on.
Fourth, Sniper rifles typically are bolt action, which means there's a significant gap between shots. Sure you can get semi-auto or even full-auto sniper rifles, but by in large by the time you shoot someone twice they could have shot you a dozen times.
Fifth, Connected to the above point, sniping puts a lot of emphasis on accuracy. With most other weapons it's not as important, but trying going around getting body shots with a sniper on MW2 and see how long you last and how high your kill count is. The best way to kill people as a sniper is to have a stable, stationary location to shoot from.
Sixth, your whole arguement has been used time and time again by whinny losers after they've gotten killed by a sniper for the fifth time in a row. Is someone camping? Then stick to cover, get right next to him and fill him with lead!
For me there are diffrent levels.
Spawn camping should never be done, simple as that.
Camping on a roof, in a window, behind a wall, or whatever is fine, and can be done with any weapon. I mean there is as much chance the "camper" will be hit in the flank as the front.
Camping in a room, ie; behind a door, or being prone in the corner on a room with your sights on the door, or whatever should never be done. This is the one that pisses me off the most, it is waht I would consider "proper camping." I dont gon in for any of this bull shit about "Its what you do in a real war." Its a game! In a real war you would not make 76 kills and die 34 times either. Its a game and should be played in that sprit.
Thats why I only play CoD4 on servers that have banned "proper camping" bunny hopping, spwan killing, ect.
Spawn camping should never be done, simple as that.
Camping on a roof, in a window, behind a wall, or whatever is fine, and can be done with any weapon. I mean there is as much chance the "camper" will be hit in the flank as the front.
Camping in a room, ie; behind a door, or being prone in the corner on a room with your sights on the door, or whatever should never be done. This is the one that pisses me off the most, it is waht I would consider "proper camping." I dont gon in for any of this bull shit about "Its what you do in a real war." Its a game! In a real war you would not make 76 kills and die 34 times either. Its a game and should be played in that sprit.
Thats why I only play CoD4 on servers that have banned "proper camping" bunny hopping, spwan killing, ect.
I would once again like to point out how much truth is in this.grimsprice said:
If you don't like it. Stop playing.
What would you do in a real battle?
Besides, any well made maps will be damn near impossible to find a 'perfect' camping spot for, and most of the time you should be able to flush them out. Here's my advice; learn how to use grenades and how to not just run headlong into places where people could be hiding behind the entrance.
Personally, if the game has them, I like to throw a flash-bang into an area if I know some-one's camping in there, or some other grenade that impairs their ability to take action; and on occasions I do so even if I don't know for sure and I just want to be safe.
I would also like to bring attention to this quote as well;
The only kind of camping that should be frowned upon or punishable with a kick/ban is spawn-camping. That shit's cheap.Pyromaniac1337 said: