Poll: Does zero exist? - intellectual debate

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Claymorez

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Edit : as some ppl have misunderstood my point I'll try and make it clear, Zero is a valid mathematical unit of measurement used to represent NOTHING - and because it is nothing it represents space in which nothing exists, and is a mathematical short hand or saying nothing/doesn't exist.

My logic is that it doesn't exist as it is nothing and doesn't adhear to the other rules other number do:

1 + 0 = 1
1 - 0 = 1

Therefore (n = any number)

n + 0 = n
n - 0 = n



1/1 = 1
2/2 = 1
there for n/n = 1
so you would expect 0/0 = 1

also

n x 0 = 0

0 / 1 = 0
0 / n = 0

therefore like all numbers it must ad-hear to the rule of swapping the bottom of a fraction for the answer so e.g. 1/2 = 0.5 can be rearranged to give 1/0.5 = 2

therefore 0 / n = 0 and so 0/0 = n and as n can be any number you want this means that either it doesn't exist or it has multi-shifting qualities which means

0 / 0 = n because 0 can change its value and peramiters to suit its answer.


but keep in mind divivide means to split e.g. 1 stick can be broken into 2 pieces. However by saying n / 0 you imply that nothing is being divided so instead of it being 1 where you start division 0 can be throught of as the point of initial divide before the action to divide takes place so the division never takes place and you are always left with n - which razes the question if 0 can change its properties to 1 or if it favours one state.

p.s. please post your opinions.
 

fix-the-spade

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Oh dear goodness you mathematicians.

The first post sums it up perfectly, a figure to rationalise the absence of something. It exists even though it represents something non existant, humans are very, very good at representing things that don't exist.
 

Ekonk

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claymorez said:
0 / 0 = n
YOU CAN'T DO THIS. NOT EVEN WITH ZERO. BIG NO-NO, SIR.

Edit: And don't say 'But what if I do?', because you can't. It can't be done. You can bicker all you want about what it would be, but that doesn't change that it's just impossible.
 

Julianking93

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[img/]http://gallery.hobostuff.com/d/1409-2/confuse.jpg[/img]

I guess that 0 is real since it represents nothing. The number itself isn't nothing though.
 

Shru1kan

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VioletZer0 said:
Yes...

Zero is a measurement invented by humans to represent absence.
Yay, a one-reply thread! Or it should be. /thread.

And WHO DIVIDED BY ZERO? THERE'S A WORMHOLE OUTSIDE MY WINDOW AND I DEMAND AN EXPL - AARGH!
 

Raven's Nest

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VioletZer0 said:
Yes...

Zero is a measurement invented by humans to represent absence.
Yup...

and negative numbers exist to represent further shades of nothingness...
 

Loop Stricken

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Does cold exist? Cold being merely the absense of heat...
Does time exist? Time being the name given to the process of entropy...
 

Ekonk

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claymorez said:
Ekonk said:
claymorez said:
0 / 0 = n
YOU CAN'T DO THIS. NOT EVEN WITH ZERO. BIG NO-NO, SIR.
yes and my argument hinges on the fact that YOU CAN'T DO THIS because 0 doesn't exist
I think zero exists. In both the philosophical and the physical way. It's just that when you have an apple, and you eat it, and someone asks you how many apples you have, you say zero. It's an artificial construct in the mind - OR IS IT. Let's take vacuum. That's pretty much nothing. And, man, there is a lot of nothing. All one big zero.

I don't believe I'm talking a lot of sense here, but I'm sure you catch my drift.
 

Ganthrinor

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ravens_nest said:
VioletZer0 said:
Yes...

Zero is a measurement invented by humans to represent absence.
Yup...

and negative numbers exist to represent further shades of nothingness...
Not nessecarily further shades of nothingness, but rather a deficit of something beyond nothing.

If anybody requires proof of the existence of zero and/or negative numbers, just point out the fact that Black Holes are the natural equivalent of the mathermatical principles of nothingness and negativity.
 

zen5887

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claymorez said:
Theres your problem.

Not everything can be solved with pure logic (hear me out) because that would make you a computer.

In my hand at the exact point in time I have no apples. Therefore, if someone were to ask me "How many apples are in your hand?" I would reply "Zero"

If zero doesn't exist, what are you using in your equations?
 

Break

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Isn't "not existing" kind of the point of zero? It's an expression of nothingness. A way to describe absence. It'd be silly to say that it's not a useful concept to mathematicians, but saying that [nothing] isn't there is rather moot.

Loop Stricken said:
Does time exist? Time being the name given to the process of entropy...
Actually, the current prevailing theory is that time is another expression of space, and we the only reason we haven't measured an instance of travelling backwards in time is because it's exceedingly unlikely - and even if it did happen, we wouldn't have the means to record it, what with our reliance on causality. So yeah, time has about the same probability of existing as your living room.
 

Raven's Nest

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Ganthrinor said:
ravens_nest said:
VioletZer0 said:
Yes...

Zero is a measurement invented by humans to represent absence.
Yup...

and negative numbers exist to represent further shades of nothingness...
Not nessecarily further shades of nothingness, but rather a deficit of something beyond nothing.

If anybody requires proof of the existence of zero and/or negative numbers, just point out the fact that Black Holes are the natural equivalent of the mathermatical principles of nothingness and negativity.
Pfft... What do I know about maths anyway? I can barely tell the time lol.

EDIT: Wait a minute, I can do better than that. Negative numbers are...

Err...

Actually nope, sorry, carry on. I can't do math for shit...
 

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Oh wow, IF I where to say, How many Narlarks are in my anus, You'd have to say Zero untill proven. Zero represents absence of the object in question. If the object in question isn't there, It's zero figure represents the absence...Or something like that.
 

Claymorez

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Ganthrinor said:
ravens_nest said:
VioletZer0 said:
Yes...

Zero is a measurement invented by humans to represent absence.
Yup...

and negative numbers exist to represent further shades of nothingness...
Not nessecarily further shades of nothingness, but rather a deficit of something beyond nothing.

If anybody requires proof of the existence of zero and/or negative numbers, just point out the fact that Black Holes are the natural equivalent of the mathermatical principles of nothingness and negativity.
actually if u believe in expansion theory then you gotta except that nothing is defined as the constantly expanding infinite space that is outside out universes expanding cluster of matter.