Poll: Does zero exist? - intellectual debate
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If there was no zero, there would be no nothing - therefore 0 is simply a 'filler' for nothing, but needs to exist.
Also, all mathematical and scientific functions that start from above zero and go below it (and vice-versa) would have to be re worked out to fit zero in.
Mr. X has two pieces of chocolate in his hands, his greedy neighbour Mrs. Y - takes them both: Am I sexist? ... and How is this possible without 0?
Also, all mathematical and scientific functions that start from above zero and go below it (and vice-versa) would have to be re worked out to fit zero in.
Mr. X has two pieces of chocolate in his hands, his greedy neighbour Mrs. Y - takes them both: Am I sexist? ... and How is this possible without 0?
Then infinity also doesn't exist according to you?claymorez said:
Inf / Inf = Inf
Inf + n = Inf
Inf / n = Inf
Inf * n = Inf
Inf * Inf = Inf
And, depending on your limit infinity - infinity can be 0, a positive number or infinity itself.
It's not because there are exceptions to the rules that they aren't part of the rules.
Value wise, no.
But existence, yes it does. It was made to make things easier for us when 1 plus nothing came into the problem, So we made a number with no value.
But existence, yes it does. It was made to make things easier for us when 1 plus nothing came into the problem, So we made a number with no value.
maybe some of them are in another dimension? or the essence of those eggs are still in the box? and you are just a dream of your brain fantasizing about eggs?Idlemessiah said:
wow i went too far there...
The fact is that even in basic mathematics we use zero as a valid number. When counting backwards you go from 1 to 0 to -1, it represents an absence, and then a substance.
I'm just curious if you actually think that you've somehow proved the non-existence of something that extremely intelligent mathematicians have been studying for years. You must have some kind of ego on you.
I know it's been said a few dozen times already, but you cannot equate 0/n = 0 to 0/0 = n.claymorez said:
Here's what happens if you try to solve for n, using first your example where n = 2:
Initial problem:
1/n = 0.5
Multiply both sides by n:
(1/n) * n = 0.5 * n
Simplify:
1 = 0.5 * n
Divide both sides by 0.5:
1/0.5 = (0.5 * n) / 0.5
Simplify:
1/0.5 = n
now the problem at hand:
0/n = 0
Multiply both sides by n:
(0/n) * n = 0 * n
Simplify:
0 = 0 * n
Divide both sides by 0 (!!!!) There you have it. There's your problem.
(EDIT: Damned post button, I meant to hit preview and my finger slipped >_>)
By definition, 0 doesn't exist. In fact the Romans took that literally, and had no number for it. Apparently that was a massive problem for Roman builders cos they couldn't tell if the space somewhere in the building plans was just a space or if it meant 0. S'what happens when you have a number system derived philosophically I guess.
Logically however, we need to represent the concept of nothingness, and 0 does a pretty darn good job of it.
Logically however, we need to represent the concept of nothingness, and 0 does a pretty darn good job of it.
It depends on how you define existence. However if we define existence, or let alone debate existence at all, would you not agree that it exists? Does generating debate over nothing MAKE it into something as, logically, existence CAN NOT just spark out of nothingness. I think that if you measure existence in VALUE then its debatable that "0" does not exist. However it is very hard to justify measuring existence in just value (not to mention we'd have to look at how we define value now too, and how mathematical value is very different from say psychological, historical, or practical value) as existence is defined by much more than that IMO... but yeah, just going around in circles now... I've probably made an ass out of myself to some smart cookie out there who knows actually knows what they are talking about
Hmm, that is entirely possible. I have only just woken up and all my body can think about is omelette. And I know for a fact that the 2 eggs in the fridge dimension that will soon be in my belly dimensionOrcus_35 said:
