Poll: Dog Torture vs. Rapist

[Hairetos]

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.

...So then, I take it you consider a dog's life to be equal to that of a human's life? Alright, I give, this thread has me tired out. I won't try to convince you that a person's life is worth more, but I will say I personally believe (along with the majority of people on this planet) that a human life is the most precious thing there is, and that while I love dogs, and I would certainly be upset if my dog was brutally killed, I have no delusions that the two crimes are even in the same ballpark. I now bid you a good night.

Nice bias brah.

Life is life, why are we special? One carbon-based lifeform is more valuable than another?

Yeah, callin' bullshit there.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

Please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic, or trolling, or whatever the kids call it these days. If not, then I'm sorry, but you have a fucked up set of ideals.

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.

Agreed 100%
Can't understand how people consider rape worst than having gladitorial style battles to the death for your own entertainment.
And I know someone is gonna ask me if I'm serious, yes indeed I am and I would question if someone was serious if they said rape was worse.

 

[zehydra]

None of those things should have any bearing AT ALL on his status as a sports player. Terrible people make it to the covers of these games, but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability.

Yeah... uhhh, this...

Please, for the love of god, I hope you're being ironic/sarcastic here. Touche if yes. And, well... so many things wrong if no.

On topic: you're right, terrible things have been done by sports people/people in the sports world (as my grammar is slipping I notice I'm sleepy, withered). However, the devilishness of one act ought not to excuse the slightly lesser or worse acts of another. That's kind of like defending Stalin by saying, "Hey man, at least that douche wasn't Hitler." Or, slightly more analogous: "Hey man, you shouldn't hate so much on Hitler because he really only persecuted the Jews." Wrong, so very, very wrong on both counts. Granted, in this case one is dogs and one is people, and it is incredibly difficult to draw a line that will stay purely white or black, unspotted, so to speak, with the staining grey tones the world loves to throw. But I suppose here's one: According to our criminal justice system, the facts stacked up against Vick. He was convicted and sentenced for his crimes. He is guilty. Kobe was acquitted. Is the U.S. criminal justice system a good enough judge of right/wrong? Perhaps not, yet it is the one thing that seems to be different in these two cases.

Oh, sorry one last thing directed towards the original poster: I cannot stand when people try to answer an argument with a question that seems relevent but really, really isn't. So what are your reasons for Vick being Maddenized? This discussion cannot advance forward with only empty questions consisting of "Why did" or "Why didn'ts" - it can only be moved forward even the tiniest bit by examining our reasoning, assessing our biases, and attempting to discern a place from which we can settle, proud in our understanding of something close to truth.

no, I wasn't being sarcastic. But when I said that "but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability." I meant for the cover of the game's box, not for life in general.

 

[aashell13]

where I'm from, we used to hang rapists. if they didn't get shot first, that is.

both are really bad. I'm not fond of either of these guys, and people like them are a big part of the reason that I have no use for sports in general. Also, where was I when the Kobe case went down? playing KOTOR, most likely. love that series. Never played sports games, have no desire to start now, mostly for reasons very eloquently outlined by MovieBob earlier today.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Agreed 100%
Can't understand how people consider rape worst than having gladitorial style battles to the death for your own entertainment.
And I know someone is gonna ask me if I'm serious, yes indeed I am and I would question if someone was serious if they said rape was worse.

Nice bias brah.

Life is life, why are we special? One carbon-based lifeform is more valuable than another?

Yeah, callin' bullshit there.

Oh give it a rest. If you two can't tell the difference between a pet, and a person with hopes, dreams, aspirations and awareness of mortality, then this discussion is pointless, since there is just no conceivable way this will lead to anything but flaming and pointless bickering. Now I bid you both good night, and I'd thank you to not quote me and just drop it, as I really think there is just no point in this conversation, and I don't want to derail this thread anymore than we already have.

 

[Hairetos]

Agreed 100%
Can't understand how people consider rape worst than having gladitorial style battles to the death for your own entertainment.
And I know someone is gonna ask me if I'm serious, yes indeed I am and I would question if someone was serious if they said rape was worse.

Nice bias brah.

Life is life, why are we special? One carbon-based lifeform is more valuable than another?

Yeah, callin' bullshit there.

Oh give it a rest. If you two can't tell the difference between a pet, and a person with hopes, dreams, aspirations and awareness of mortality, then this discussion is pointless, since there is just no conceivable way this will lead to anything but flaming and pointless bickering. Now I bid you both good night, and I'd thank you to not quote me and just drop it, as I really think there is just no point in this conversation, and I don't want to derail this thread anymore than we already have.

First off, dogs have pretty much the same emotional gamut as people do, are definitely aware of mortality.

Second off, stop quoting me and then asking me not to quote you back. You pretty much say: "Ya, ur wrong, but I don't wanna talk about it anymore". If you want the conversation to end, you can stop talking. I have no issue continuing the argument, so I will.

 

[mikespoff]

What, apparently I'm not allowed to hate both those fuckers? :|

This.

The poll isn't about Dog Torture vs. Rape, it's actually saying:

"Since rape is OK, should we be happy with dog torture too?"

I disagree with the first part of that proposition, so the second part doesn't work.

 

[mikespoff]

First off, dogs have pretty much the same emotional gamut as people do, are definitely aware of mortality.

No, they don't.

And no, they aren't.

 

[Hairetos]

First off, dogs have pretty much the same emotional gamut as people do, are definitely aware of mortality.

No, they don't.

And no, they aren't.

Happiness, sadness, jealousy, self-preservation, desire, etc. Mostly the same shit.

And yes, dogs are aware that they can die, hence the whole "self-preservation" thing.

 

[Laxman9292]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

Especially if they're Michael Vick shoes with a picture of a dog next to a boxing glove. Cause he likes boxing and.... uhh dogs?

http://i31.tinypic.com/14o86g.jpg (The image tag isn't working for some reason, anyone wanna tell me why?)

 

[Finebrew]

Vick is scum for what he did but too be fair he served his time.

 

[thedeathscythe]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

Especially if they're Michael Vick shoes with a picture of a dog next to a boxing glove. Cause he likes boxing and.... uhh dogs?

http://i31.tinypic.com/14o86g.jpg (The image tag isn't working for some reason, anyone wanna tell me why?)

HOW DID YOU FIND THAT AND HOW DID YOU FIND MY POST AND MAKE IT FIT SO WELL?!?!

You sir, just blew my mind. Please, although I am male, let me bear your children.

 

[Laxman9292]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

Especially if they're Michael Vick shoes with a picture of a dog next to a boxing glove. Cause he likes boxing and.... uhh dogs?

http://i31.tinypic.com/14o86g.jpg (The image tag isn't working for some reason, anyone wanna tell me why?)

HOW DID YOU FIND THAT AND HOW DID YOU FIND MY POST AND MAKE IT FIT SO WELL?!?!

You sir, just blew my mind. Please, although I am male, let me bear your children.

Hahaha glad to do my part. I saw it and just had to share that, it was too perfect.

 

[tjdavids]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers' Most of the people in prison/jail tend to not even consider animal abuse a 'crime' and think of it as a way for the 'man' to keep certain cultures down.

It's very weird. Every criminal thinks there is some other criminal worse than them.

Also most forms of sexual assault yield longer prison terms than most forms of animal abuse.

off topic maybe, but wouldn't the natural human response be to explain things that do not help him/herself as an action dis inclined. but an action previously committed as justifiable,
sorry I'm working off of animal behavior in conscious organisms rather than psych, but it's all I know.

 

[EllEzDee]

Even if it was entirely true that Kobe raped the woman, Vick has abused far more lives than Kobe.

Okay, I'm trying to think of a polite way to put this, but nothing is really coming to mind so here goes-

They're just fucking dogs. I love my dog a lot, he's a fantastic friend, but he's still just that, a dog. Even comparing rape to animal cruelty isn't like comparing apples to oranges, it's like comparing a super-soaker to an Ak-47. Yes, losing a dog is terrible, but it sure as hell beats getting raped any day. Hell, even a thousand dead/tortured dogs is better than one innocent person getting raped. By a goddam mile.

Yea, dogs aren't alive or anything. They don't have thoughts, or dreams, or anything because they're just dogs and humans are the master aryan race most important species.
We've established that this case, since Kobe wasn't convicted, is clearly in favour of Vick being the Dick. But even if it were a fair case to compare it to, where Kobe forced his meat in some girl and Vick forced a shit load of dogs to fight to the death for his sexual pleasure, Vick has still taken or abused more lives than Kobe. Stop trying to measure the value of a human life against that of any other species and realise that everything, at least in my own eyes, is of equal fucking value.
And why is it that every moral argument about animal cruelty has to start with "I LOVE MY DOG A LOT, BUT..."?

Kobe supposedly raped a woman. That's terrible, yea, but he wasn't charged with raping her, and Vick has been irrefutably charged with animal abuse.

Even if it was entirely true that Kobe raped the woman, Vick has abused far more lives than Kobe.

Yep, pretty much this.

Innocent until proven guilty. And while raping one woman is worse than abusing one animal, Vick abused a lot of animals.

Wow, someone (just read the thread, there's a small handful actually) with an actual sense of morality on a Gaming Forum. There's something you don't see every blue moon. It's amazing how our so-called civilised society sees the life of anything besides a human (at least until about 60 years back for some countries AMIRITE AMERICA EH) as replaceable and cheap. Maybe one day we'll have a functioning society where people realise the value of life, and animals have the same breakthrough Blacks had. And maybe one day i'll learn to fly using just my teeth.

They were just dogs? Since when did a human become so much more valuable than a animal?

Since when was an animal close to the worth of a human?

They have always been of equal worth. But some people (read: idiots) like to claim humans are somehow inherently worth more for some bullshit reason.
I value animal life and human life the same until they prove they are worth less. (eg: Dog attacking random people for no reason. Human hurting others for fun)

So if a truck was about to hit a dog and a human, you'd have trouble deciding which one to save?

So he literally explained his argument to you, and you put a completely redundant question to him? I can't help but GUUUUH at moments like these.

 

[Jaranja]

I'd trust the dog kicker more than the rapist I guess

I don't see why you'd have to choose. I wouldn't trust either of them at all. Not even a smidgen.

Just saying rape is worse than the dog thing, of course I wouldn't trust either of them

Depends who was raped, honestly.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

I'd trust the dog kicker more than the rapist I guess

I don't see why you'd have to choose. I wouldn't trust either of them at all. Not even a smidgen.

Just saying rape is worse than the dog thing, of course I wouldn't trust either of them

Depends who was raped, honestly.

I so hope that this was irony...


Now, all of you who said that dog torture is worse than human rape:
Are you all VEGAN?
If so, cudos.
If not: Hypocrites.

 

[ace_of_something]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

>all the rapists that I know.
wat?
>most of the people in prison/jail
you know them too?

I know tons.

Sorry, I'm a police officer. I previously worked in a large jail for 3ish years as well. You'd be surprised how much you learn about a group of 60 murderers/rapists/robbers when you have to sit there and watch them play cards and argue about the president for 3 months (that's how long you had to sit in one part of the facility before you were reassigned)

 

[Prof. Monkeypox]

Both should be barred from playing, let alone earning an dubious accolades. Their skill is completely insignificant to me in the face of what they have done.

Except, legally, Kobe did nothing. We have a legal system for a reason. Innocent until proven guilty. He was proven innocent.

Who's Kobe? I wasn't speaking of anyone in particular- I was answering the hypothetical. A convicted rapist and/or convicted dog fighter should both be barred from playing.

I don't know football at all, so besides Vick, I don't know what examples people are using.

 

[Krion_Vark]

*SNIP*

Those covers WERE NOT chosen by the fans. It was chosen by the developer because he is unfortunately the best player currently in the NBA.

But still no one was making a big fuss about him being on it. Regardless of who chose it no one really complained. If EA had just chosen Vick because, rather than this poll, it would have been the same thing I wager. Michael Vick is one of the best players currently in the NFL.

Personally I think Vick, Rothlisburger and Bryant should all be in jail right now for what they have done/ "accused" of doing. Just because they have money they get out of their shit. Apparently money speaks louder than anything.