Poll: Dog Torture vs. Rapist

[BanthaFodder]

sadly, rape gets much less attention in the media than animal abuse. but no, Vick is an awful human being and should NOT be on the cover. does this justify anyone else who did something worse (rape, murder, etc.)? HELL NO. and frankly, it's insanely stupid of anyone to think that.

Really confused by this statement, considering the Kobe event was overly televised, and I recall the Roethlesburger ( I have no idea if I spelled that right) attack was also splattered all across the tv. I think it's stupid to compare apples to oranges at this point. One was convicted, the other was not. Just because you're an athlete doesn't mean you deserve a free pass in life.

well, what I basically meant was that people and the media still talk about Vick's dog fighting, whereas with rape, it's big for a week or two, then no one mentions it again.
but my main point is that while there are others who have done worse, that does not justify his actions.
I wholeheartedly agree with your last statement. whether you're an athlete (Vick, Kobe, etc.), an actor/actress (Lindsey Lohan, Charlie Sheen, etc.), or someone who thinks they're famous (Paris Hilton, Perez Hilton, etc.), you are NOT above the law in any way, shape, or form.

 

[thedeathscythe]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

>all the rapists that I know.
wat?
>most of the people in prison/jail
you know them too?

I know tons.

Sorry, I'm a police officer. I previously worked in a large jail for 3ish years as well. You'd be surprised how much you learn about a group of 60 murderers/rapists/robbers when you have to sit there and watch them play cards and argue about the president for 3 months (that's how long you had to sit in one part of the facility before you were reassigned)

Alright, that's fair, I was under the assumption you were an average joe that just happened to have a lot of friends who were rapists and chimos. It's like when someone says "I know 12 year olds that are stronger than you" and you respond "You know 12 year olds?"

 

[vodkafairy]

The reason people still talk about Vick's dogs is that as a media driven society we're a) basically brainwashed by any media channel pursuing ratings and b) all hypocrites. To anyone that says dogs are as valuable/worthy of empathy/important as humans, look inside you as a member of a different species and tell me you'd value the life of an animal, regardless of which animal that would be over the well being of a human.
We're different species and i'm pretty sure we're hardwired to give more of a damn about carbon based lifeforms our side of the fence. After all, love developed as a survival mechanism, and it's really not that much different from empathy.
So, long story short, even if you chant loudly for the rights of dogs/cats/lemurs, you're still a human being and would probably choose one of your own kind over any animal, considering the same circumstances (neither one of those was a dick that stole your sandwich at work/doesn't flush/whatever).
Just my 2c.

 

[Defense]

They were just dogs? Since when did a human become so much more valuable than a animal?

Since when was an animal close to the worth of a human?

They have always been of equal worth. But some people (read: idiots) like to claim humans are somehow inherently worth more for some bullshit reason.
I value animal life and human life the same until they prove they are worth less. (eg: Dog attacking random people for no reason. Human hurting others for fun)

So if a truck was about to hit a dog and a human, you'd have trouble deciding which one to save?

So he literally explained his argument to you, and you put a completely redundant question to him? I can't help but GUUUUH at moments like these.

Don't be an idiot. My scenario is completely different because you know nothing about either one. If you save one or the other without knowing anything about the character, then they must have some inherent superiority when talking about species.

 

[Phoenixlight]

Why?

Because they've done something terrible and must be made to feel bad about what they've done.

 

[zehydra]

Why?

Because they've done something terrible and must be made to feel bad about what they've done.

and what if they already do?

 

[Phoenixlight]

and what if they already do?

They need to feel worse.

 

[zehydra]

and what if they already do?

They need to feel worse.

and what if they already do?

 

[Phoenixlight]

and what if they already do?

Then maybe they'll kill themselves? I don't know, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Just as long as they do it properly so that doctors don't need to waste their time trying to bring them back.

 

[zehydra]

and what if they already do?

Then maybe they'll kill themselves? I don't know, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Just as long as they do it properly so that doctors don't need to waste their time trying to bring them back.

you're sick. you know that? You're no better than he was.

 

[Phoenixlight]

you're sick. you know that? You're no better than he was.

Why? for trying to cleanse the world of evil? I'd rather not live in the same world as people who do things like that, they don't deserve to live.

 

[zehydra]

you're sick. you know that? You're no better than he was.

Why? for trying to cleanse the world of evil? I'd rather not live in the same world as people who do things like that, they don't deserve to live.

We cannot live in a world where people try to kill other people who commit what we consider "evil" even just once. Your approach, that is, to never forgive a sinner is extremely harsh, and very much paints yourself in almost a saintly light. What makes you so un-evil that you have the right to condemn a man to death?

 

[Phoenixlight]

We cannot live in a world where people try to kill other people who commit what we consider "evil" even just once. Your approach, that is, to never forgive a sinner is extremely harsh, and very much paints yourself in almost a saintly light. What makes you so un-evil that you have the right to condemn a man to death?

I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I don't take drugs, I don't swear, I don't litter, I'm a Vegetarian, I don't waste electricity, I encourage people to recycle, I follow no religion but believe in a greater eternal essence (no religious bias), I support wikileaks. I could go on but I believe that entitles me to be self righteous.

 

[zehydra]

We cannot live in a world where people try to kill other people who commit what we consider "evil" even just once. Your approach, that is, to never forgive a sinner is extremely harsh, and very much paints yourself in almost a saintly light. What makes you so un-evil that you have the right to condemn a man to death?

I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I don't take drugs, I don't swear, I don't litter, I'm a Vegetarian, I don't waste electricity, I encourage people to recycle, I follow no religion but believe in a greater eternal essence (no religious bias), I support wikileaks. I could go on but I believe that entitles me to be self righteous.

and what about those who believe that which you do is evil? Would you support the idea that they should be allowed to condemn you to death because they merely THINK you are evil? You do not KNOW that what you do is RIGHT, you merely suppose that it is, you sort of "guess" that it is.

My point is, is that if everybody believed that they, solely, were in the right, and that people who disagree with them are in the wrong, then everybody would be trying to condemn each other to death.

 

[Phoenixlight]

and what about those who believe that which you do is evil? Would you support the idea that they should be allowed to condemn you to death because they merely THINK you are evil? You do not KNOW that what you do is RIGHT, you merely suppose that it is, you sort of "guess" that it is.

My point is, is that if everybody believed that they, solely, were in the right, and that people who disagree with them are in the wrong, then everybody would be trying to condemn each other to death.

But the thing is I do know, i'm very objective and can prove what classifies as good and what can be classified as evil. Torturing a dog is evil because it causes a lot of pain for the animal, being a Vegetarian is good because animals aren't killed for food.

 

[zehydra]

and what about those who believe that which you do is evil? Would you support the idea that they should be allowed to condemn you to death because they merely THINK you are evil? You do not KNOW that what you do is RIGHT, you merely suppose that it is, you sort of "guess" that it is.

My point is, is that if everybody believed that they, solely, were in the right, and that people who disagree with them are in the wrong, then everybody would be trying to condemn each other to death.

But the thing is I do know, i'm very objective and can prove what classifies as good and what can be classified as evil. Torturing a dog is evil because it causes a lot of pain for the animal, being a Vegetarian is good because animals aren't killed for food.

objectively prove that causing pain to an animal is evil.

 

[Phoenixlight]

objectively prove that causing pain to an animal is evil.

Deliberately causing pain to an animal is evil because not only does the animal (in this case: dog) writhe in pain and get upset they can also receive permanent damage to an internal organ which could lead to their death. And killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party in the world.

 

[zehydra]

objectively prove that causing pain to an animal is evil.

Deliberately causing pain to an animal is evil because not only does the animal (in this case: dog) writhe in pain and get upset they can also receive permanent damage to an internal organ which could lead to their death. And killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party in the world.

So, because killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party, it's evil?

That doesn't make sense. You're only saying that it's objectively evil because everybody else seems to think so, and have provided no actual grounds relating to the nature of evil.

Your argument is like saying that X is a car, because everbody seems to think so. (as opposed to saying that X is a car, because it fulfills the definition of "car").

 

[Phoenixlight]

So, because killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party, it's evil?

That doesn't make sense. You're only saying that it's objectively evil because everybody else seems to think so, and have provided no actual grounds relating to the nature of evil.

Your argument is like saying that X is a car, because everbody seems to think so. (as opposed to saying that X is a car, because it fulfills the definition of "car").

If no sane person disagrees then I'd say that's proof enough, the difference between right and wrong is quite clear with this being obviously wrong. Why you feel the need to defend the rapists and tortureres of the world is very odd. They don't accidently do these things, they're aware of what they're doing and if they stopped to think about it would realise that what they're doing is wrong. We really don't need people like that in a perfect world which is something that people should be working towards.

 

[zehydra]

So, because killing something "just because" is believed to be evil by every major religion and political party, it's evil?

That doesn't make sense. You're only saying that it's objectively evil because everybody else seems to think so, and have provided no actual grounds relating to the nature of evil.

Your argument is like saying that X is a car, because everbody seems to think so. (as opposed to saying that X is a car, because it fulfills the definition of "car").

If no sane person disagrees then I'd say that's proof enough, the difference between right and wrong is quite clear with this being obviously wrong. Why you feel the need to defend the rapists and tortureres of the world is very odd. They don't accidently do these things, they're aware of what they're doing and if they stopped to think about it would realise that what they're doing is wrong. We really don't need people like that in a perfect world which is something that people should be working towards.

People often do not disagree because they simply go with what they're told.

I am defending them because they are people too, and we have system already set up to punish them. Why you need to see them DEAD is beyond me.

There is no "perfect" world to work towards. "perfect" is a completely subjective point of view!