Poll: Dubstep. Music or not music?
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Even synthetic music can have compositional value. Also, not all synthetic music sounds unnatural. I'm pretty sure there isn't one organic instrument track in this song.omega 616 said:
That said, If I had a dubstep sample set (which im not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on to prove this point) I could open up FLstudio and make a relatively functional dubstep track in like 10 minutes. I don't think dubstep is bad because it's synthetic, I think dubstep is bad on its own lack of merits.
but thats subjectivity in its purest form, what your describing is a [i/]feeling[/i] a mood the music evokes in you, hence why you don't like it, you can't use that as a "reason" to say its objectivly inferioromega 616 said:
there is relaly no reason it should be "lesser" than any other form of music
I don;t see why people can't let go of the "physical instrument=supirority" preconception...person "singing wtih guitar" can be just as bland and boring
also that game music thing you linked..did you honestly expect anyone to rush tot defend that? its not good stuff....you don;t pick out crap to make a point
Does it count if i feel as though those eyes on the YouTube video will be staring into my soul when i sleep? If so, then yes its music. But seriously, anything is music and anything is art, they are both poorly defined therefore indefinite and arbitrary. Some people write seminars on the possible meanings of some modern art pieces, while considering some of Van Gough's paintings to be fairly unskilled, Its all about perspective.GoaThief said:
I know this opinion has already been shared so many times, hope this isn't becoming redundant.
thats pretty much the same as saying "I don;t like it"Nazulu said:
my original quote was actually asking the question "why do you feel the need to not call it music..why can;t you just say you don't like it"
[quote/]Also, that's not elitist, he needs to say something that makes him sound superior to be called elitist.[/quote]
saying "my x is better than your Y!" is elitist (they don;t call them PC gamer elitists for nothing)
refusing to call somthing music is elitist...its not only saying "I dont like x" but "I refuse to even ackowlege x as a letter because it is beneth that"
[quote/]Plus, it isn't always as black & white as you make it, people don't always just dismiss things because they just don't like it.
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never said they did...though with music it happens a fair bit
This just in! Most videogame soundtracks not music! Mario theme? Not music!omega 616 said:
Or what about...this [http://danimalcannon.bandcamp.com/]? Nope, what a talentless hack! Using gameboys and shit to do all the work for him, its not as if all electronic music has to be inputted, designed and creatively imagined by a human being or anything. Pfft, that would be ridiculous.
To be totally honest this is what i have a problem with. Nowadays art forms have been expanded to the absurd. By your definition i could record myself saying racist things and sell it and that would be "music". It is sound and i made to make people angry. By always extending the definition of arts we have reached a point where "art" means nothing anymore. If people can call a grey painting art than when i painted over those scratches on my car i could claim it's art too. And i'm willing to bet it took me more time than however painted that painting grey. The only difference between people doing random/casual things and people doing "arts" nowadays is that one tries to make money out of it and the other not. (i'm grossly exaggerating but it is going in that direction).Vault101 said:
PS: i would like to clarify that i don't think dubstep belongs to the same category as me rambling random stuff or a grey painting (which in my opinion would absolutely not be art) but is subjective art. Something that can be art for some people and not for some others but that cannot be objectively labeled as (not) being art.
saying "my x is better than your Y!" is elitist (they don;t call them PC gamer elitists for nothing)Vault101 said:
refusing to call somthing music is elitist...its not only saying "I dont like x" but "I refuse to even ackowlege x as a letter because it is beneth that"
[quote/]Plus, it isn't always as black & white as you make it, people don't always just dismiss things because they just don't like it.
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never said they did...though with music it happens a fair bit[/quote]
No, it's not saying he doesn't like it, he said it's not music to him. You just like to generalise.
And that's still not elitist, stop changing the meanings to suit you, remembering he said he only doesn't consider it music (putting words into his mouth now?). Also, whats wrong with saying one thing is better than the other? If your going to tell me you have never said one thing is better than another, then you couldn't be any more full of it.
Not cool, man. It takes hours and hours of writing, synthesising, arranging and orchestrating to make 4 bars of good dubstep. Of course if you just use presets then you're not really making dubstep, you're rearranging other people's work. Just to add a little reliability to my claim, I have studied music for well over 10 years, and music technology extensively for 3 years. I still can't make good dubstep. Why? Because I am not skilled enough. It takes fuck all skill to put some loops to a drum beat. It takes much skill, good judgement and hours of work to make dubstep. Don't just dismiss something because you don't like it. Not impressed.omega 616 said:
I've no fucking idea what that was. That was worse than Lou Reeds Metal Machine Music, in fact that was so bizarre I can now listen to MMM, and actually discern some level of music from it, an album that most people returned to the shop because they thought their cds were busted. That was just a collection of dissonant hissing and static. There was no rhythm, no notes that I could make out, no actual cohesion in any of it, putting ambient sounds into one track is not music, it's just ambient noise. The only people who would buy that are people so elitist and interested in being original that they cant see anything beyond what pretentious blinker vision they stick on, and don't actually like it, they just say they do out of fear of not being progressive or bohemian enough.GoaThief said:
I'm assuming you put it there more to see what peoples reaction to it was though more than anything else, and I've played right into your hands.
OT: I don't like dubstep, but it is still Music, saying otherwise is just narcisstic and obtuse. Whether or not you think it's good music is a matter of debate, but it still has all the qualifying attributes of music.
when someone says "it isn't music [b/]to me[/b]" then it looks pretty obvious to me they don;t like it, you don't refuse to call something you like musicNazulu said:
the original OP was essentially saying "I dont like 99% of it" except replacing don;t like with "not music" because how can some of it be "not be music" and some of it "be music"? especially when he mentioned rap since alot of rap is the same in terms of structure
like say if he liked Eminems "lose yourself" but hated Tech nines "Am I a psycho?" (because he said 99% which indicated there was some rap he liked) how can one song be music and the other not be music when they are made using the same principles?
my original point was is why the need to "not call somthing music" I just don't get it..its as if saying "I dont like it" isnt enough...you have to go out of your way to hate on it
theres nothing wrong with saying one thing is better than another..its just elitism is an "attitude", of dismissing the other thing/point of veiw (like saying "I only like great meovies..hence why I will never bother to watch any Anime because cartoons are silly and for kids....or to go even further is to say you only watch Anime subbed because dubs are for stupid people who don't "get" japan)
of coarse we all have our Bias but my point still stands
like it or not music is the most subjective artform there is..where one persons masterpeice can really be another persons trashgenerals3 said:
honestly arguing over definitions gets pointless after a while....even if I did initiate it myself
First reply says it all. Until the people that make dubstep are doing so with zero creative effort, it is music.
That said, I don't think it's that great. It tends to be very formulaic and difficult to tell one song from another, let alone one artist from another. Obviously there's differences in tone and such, but it seems to be a genre that's really hard to stand out in.
Still, it's always good to see new genres of music. I'll definitely take that over another fucking Ke$ha...
That said, I don't think it's that great. It tends to be very formulaic and difficult to tell one song from another, let alone one artist from another. Obviously there's differences in tone and such, but it seems to be a genre that's really hard to stand out in.
Still, it's always good to see new genres of music. I'll definitely take that over another fucking Ke$ha...
thats true..I dont think I relaly like all thatmuch dubstep since its (as you said) so boring and formulatic..PissOffRoth said:
I DO however like electronic...that may or may not have dubstep elements(I have trouble with definitions)
like usually rapping and dubstep doesnt go all that wlel together (I think the reason being the lyrics and music drown each other out) however there are exceptions
Is this thread a fucking joke or something?
Might as well explain a pet peeve: I find it ignorant to the point of stupidity when someone claims something is "not music".
Also, (and lots of people don't seem to get this) it's just as hard to make any music of complexity on any instrument. Each instrument has its own sets of skills required. Some require some unnatural positions and body functions(circular breathing to play didgeridoo or getting a good tone with a violin). Once you get past that, your challenge comes to your creativity and working on that that is beyond any instrument's capabilities.
Singing is pretty easy to do. Hell, pretty much anyone who isn't tone deaf or mute can do it. With some practice, and knowing the right people, you could probably sing for a living (would help if you knew another instrument too, something simple like guitar or piano).
In fact, learning to play a piano cover of almost every chart song in the past 5 years is probably easier (although more tedious) than producing a decent electronic music track.
Might as well explain a pet peeve: I find it ignorant to the point of stupidity when someone claims something is "not music".
Also, (and lots of people don't seem to get this) it's just as hard to make any music of complexity on any instrument. Each instrument has its own sets of skills required. Some require some unnatural positions and body functions(circular breathing to play didgeridoo or getting a good tone with a violin). Once you get past that, your challenge comes to your creativity and working on that that is beyond any instrument's capabilities.
I really disagree with the notion of how much skill it takes to do something gives it some merit.omega 616 said:
Singing is pretty easy to do. Hell, pretty much anyone who isn't tone deaf or mute can do it. With some practice, and knowing the right people, you could probably sing for a living (would help if you knew another instrument too, something simple like guitar or piano).
In fact, learning to play a piano cover of almost every chart song in the past 5 years is probably easier (although more tedious) than producing a decent electronic music track.
The only Dubstep artists i like are Knife Party and Skrillex, however it's mainly Knife Party. Any other form of Dubstep i generally hate....
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