Poll: Dubstep. Music or not music?
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Of course it's music. I wonder, why every time a new player comes to an old party some bizarre people (who I presume live on the moon and eat space dust for breakfast) say that it's not member a of their party, even though logic and all the facts state that it does belong in there. To give a nice example - this is the same phenomenon as people saying that games aren't art, because they're somehow so much different from tv, movies or books (even though, really, they are the ultimate combination all the old time arts, in a new form).
Yes, dubstep is music, people record different tracks of dubstep, different melodies and all the properties of older music genres (okay, maybe you doesn't exactly have a note sheet, but current music industry doesn't really do these things anymore - everything is made on computers). Dubstep is composed from bits by an artist, who turns ordinary sounds into an art - the art of music.
Of course it's music. I wonder, why every time a new player comes to an old party some bizarre people (who I presume live on the moon and eat space dust for breakfast) say that it's not member a of their party, even though logic and all the facts state that it does belong in there. To give a nice example - this is the same phenomenon as people saying that games aren't art, because they're somehow so much different from tv, movies or books (even though, really, they are the ultimate combination all the old time arts, in a new form).
Yes, dubstep is music, people record different tracks of dubstep, different melodies and all the properties of older music genres (okay, maybe you doesn't exactly have a note sheet, but current music industry doesn't really do these things anymore - everything is made on computers). Dubstep is composed from bits by an artist, who turns ordinary sounds into an art - the art of music.
It's still music, even if people don't like it.
Case in point, my captcha: Call Me Maybe
I find it interesting that there seems to be an opinion that music is performance-based, and that the ever-more-annoying-to-my-ears word 'skill' is leaking into this conversation as well. Just like people that claim to hate certain games because they don't take 'skill,' the nebulous idea of 'skill' can be used to claim that dubstep isn't legitimate music or is a lesser form of it in the same way that plenty of people claim Call of Duty is a bad shooter because it takes less 'skill.'
Hoo, boy, now that my pretentious assholery is out of the way, does anyone seem to think that the idea of dubstep boils down to this question:
"Is dubstep less than music because it's easier to do than a symphony?"
That's what all of these arguments seem to boil down to when I run into them. The same thing with pop music in general, actually.
Case in point, my captcha: Call Me Maybe
I find it interesting that there seems to be an opinion that music is performance-based, and that the ever-more-annoying-to-my-ears word 'skill' is leaking into this conversation as well. Just like people that claim to hate certain games because they don't take 'skill,' the nebulous idea of 'skill' can be used to claim that dubstep isn't legitimate music or is a lesser form of it in the same way that plenty of people claim Call of Duty is a bad shooter because it takes less 'skill.'
Hoo, boy, now that my pretentious assholery is out of the way, does anyone seem to think that the idea of dubstep boils down to this question:
"Is dubstep less than music because it's easier to do than a symphony?"
That's what all of these arguments seem to boil down to when I run into them. The same thing with pop music in general, actually.
Again with the "Is Dubstep music or not?" question? I listen to quite a lot of punk rock, alternative, metal and that kind of stuff and most friends that are "metalheads" post upon me this very question quite often, as I am an avid listener of dubstep,dnb, other genres & subgenres as well. When confronted with this question I have managed to come up with a short answer. "Yes." Answer which I then follow with : Rameses B. On what demented world can this not be considered music or art?
I like Dubstep. Certain types of it I'm not a fan of, but most electronic music I'm at least somewhat of a fan of.
Yes, it's actually music, and there is far more to it than just Skrillex.
Yes, it's actually music, and there is far more to it than just Skrillex.
Yes, dubstep is clearly music.
The argument that music must take skill is fucking retarded, because making electronic music actually does take some level of skill, and almost every type of music is going to be less skill involved than another.
Let me ask you this. Is rock music not really music because it takes less skill than classical music?
No.
Unless you can come up with a better argument than "one thing takes more skill than another so therefore it isn't music", yes dubstep is music.
What pisses me off is how entirely unfounded this debate is. The only reason people like to put forth the opinion that it isn't music is because they don't like it.
It's like if I don't like racing games, then they aren't video games anymore, it's like, grow the fuck up idiots.
The argument that music must take skill is fucking retarded, because making electronic music actually does take some level of skill, and almost every type of music is going to be less skill involved than another.
Let me ask you this. Is rock music not really music because it takes less skill than classical music?
No.
Unless you can come up with a better argument than "one thing takes more skill than another so therefore it isn't music", yes dubstep is music.
What pisses me off is how entirely unfounded this debate is. The only reason people like to put forth the opinion that it isn't music is because they don't like it.
It's like if I don't like racing games, then they aren't video games anymore, it's like, grow the fuck up idiots.
I'd like to refute this with a video of the most awesome thing i've ever seen.whiteblood said:
This is entirely automated, involves none of the very narrow list of instruments you posted, infact all notes are played by the variety of sounds a floppy drive can make at certain speeds. This is not only music, i think its great, its takes talent and a certain amount of specific skills to be able to do things like in the video or dubstep. The main difference is dubstep takes away spontaneity and alot of the risk that comes from live performances.
I like most music with the exception of gangsta rap and country. This doesn't mean their not music, with the exception of the the country songs where they play music while some one talks, thats just some one having a one sided conversation in a elevator and only shatner is allowed to do that and call it music because he is that great.
Of course it's music...even if it's not good music (which is a debate for another time) it's pretty elitist to think you can just deem something "not music".
It's music.
Although, what I think of it is pretty much how Jeff Winger of the show Community sees Paul Rudd and religion.
"To me, Religion is like Paul Rudd. I see the appeal and I would never take it away from anyone, but I would also never stand in line for it."
Replace "religion" with "dubstep" and Paul Rudd with...let's see....Friendship is magic.
Although, what I think of it is pretty much how Jeff Winger of the show Community sees Paul Rudd and religion.
"To me, Religion is like Paul Rudd. I see the appeal and I would never take it away from anyone, but I would also never stand in line for it."
Replace "religion" with "dubstep" and Paul Rudd with...let's see....Friendship is magic.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SturgeonsLaw
90% of EVERYTHING is crap, dubstep is no exception, but that still leaves roughly 10% that can range anywhere from reasonably good to downright awesome.
Just because someone might not have found anything they liked during their first experiences with a new genre, that doesn't mean that there isn't something out there that they might like, if only they would give the genre a chance long enough for them to find it.
90% of EVERYTHING is crap, dubstep is no exception, but that still leaves roughly 10% that can range anywhere from reasonably good to downright awesome.
Just because someone might not have found anything they liked during their first experiences with a new genre, that doesn't mean that there isn't something out there that they might like, if only they would give the genre a chance long enough for them to find it.
Firstly, you are wrong. You still have to be creative and know how to use various pieces of software and harware to make a good song. I've tried, and it's not as easy as people who don't like it make it out to be. And it isn't just a computer. You need all sorts of kit to make a good song. Learning to use them is not all that different to learning guitar or drums. I could pick up a guitar right now, doesn't mean I could make a song. You could pick up Fruity Loops right now, and you couldn't make a dubstep song.omega 616 said:
The only difference between Beardyman and other dubstep artists is that he uses his mouth. all music is essentially layering certain sounds over the top of each other.
Not too mention that this entire argument falls down when you have bands that use real instruments to make their dubstep. Pendulum, Chase and Status, Modestep and many other use live bands with guitars, drums, keyboards etc. to play dubstep.
I can't believe no one has brought this abomination up yet.
OT: Yes, of course there's some good dubstep. A lot of it is boring, but a lot of electro in general is boring. The stuff that is good is quite amazing, and there's been a lot of inventive stuff made using the tropes of the genre.