I disagree with your argument because both these things have a direct connection to emotions.Radeonx said:No. Having no emotions at all makes things boring and tedious.
Animals absolutely have emotions. Just for one example, there are countless examples of animals mourning their dead. (Not like bugs and stuff, but mammals and certain birds and reptiles) Many animals are rational, too - smarter animals like ravens and dolphins and spiders have been known to learn from other animals and use rational problem-solving skills.will1182 said:It's biologically hardwired into our brains to survive at all costs, whether we feel like it or not. You raise a good point, but answer me this: why are animals, which are incapable of emotion or rational thought, able to act and survive? And if you think about it, they are more efficient than us, for they have no emotion to interrupt their cycle of eat/sleep/reproduce until they die (as is the point of all life).HonorableChairman said:Very false. If there are no emotions, there is no motivation. All actions are fueled by an emotional impulse, even if that emotion is simply that of preservation-based desires. Without motivation, there is no action, and the lack of action is just about as inefficient as you can get.will1182 said:I wouldn't consider greed as an emotion, merely a compulsion caused by other emotions. Without emotions, we would all be robots going about our daily lives with maximum efficiency since there would be no emotion to get in the way (jealousy, anger, depression). Does a computer need emotion to do its work? No, it doesn't even need a mind of its own and its more efficient than us.
Also, if we're talking about pure efficiency and nothing else, we wouldn't even need art or miss having it. Art is used to satisfy others and express oneself, causing happiness adn releaseing stress. We wouldn't need to with no emotion.
By extension, no emotion means not being able to form opinions, meaning there would be no disagreements between humans. Can you see why I might think that humans would be more efficient and encounter less problems if we weren't constrained by emotions? (although life would be horrible)
Embarrassing comments are forbidden.Sunrider84 said:I disagree with your argument because both these things have a direct connection to emotions.Radeonx said:No. Having no emotions at all makes things boring and tedious.
That said, I don't want to be without emotions, because I'm perfectly happy with feeling happy.
Wow, that sounded so much better in my head.
Not for someone without emotions. Don't get me wrong, they will be boring and find everything pointless but they themselves would have no negative opinion of it.Radeonx said:No. Having no emotions at all makes things boring and tedious.
Well, you must live in one bleak world if all happiness is just "false" to you. And I can't even begin explaining how wrong it is to compare emotions, a basic part of humankind (much like breathing or eating), to drugs. So I just won't go into a debate, but I do hope you will one day feel the benefit of emotions, because it would be terrible if you didn't.9Darksoul6 said:It's very utopic, but yes, if done correctly, life without emotions would be better.
Emocions make just as much sense as drugs in you life.
It a mental over-reaction that degenerates your judgement, gives you a false sense of happiness, brings more pain than it should, and people get addicted to it to the point of saying they couldn't live without them.
Movies live Equilibrium are just plain stupid because the anti-emotion guys always express emotions (like fear, impatience, discust, anger, etc.).
Since you said you wouldn't like to argue about this, I won't push it, but it seems that you seriously lacked a bond with an animal in your life. Just owning a pet doesn't really count, unless you make that pet your genuine friend. Animals express themselves differently and people can overlook it or not notice. But as I've grown up with animals, I've seen their genuine happiness or sadness or disappointment or wishes. Of course it's not an emotion in human sense; they are not human so, clearly, they can't have the same way of expressing those emotions or even the same emotions as we define them. But it's not just instinct. Sometimes yes, but they can express emotions other than instinct. I don't have any scientific research to back this up and no scientific research that denies it (if such exist) would make me think different after I've seen what a simple animal is capable of doing, on the field of emotions. I might be wrong, but I also think it's wrong to dismiss such a thing only because their brains are different than ours, or because you can't discern between their facial expressions. They have their own ways. I also wouldn't like to turn this into a debate, mostly because no one can can give a definite proof, so please don't take this as my way to disprove your statements.will1182 said:Let's get one thing straight: dogs are not capable of rational thought or reason. They can not think "What do I feel like doing today" or "Hm, I have several options here...". They may seem to have a mind of their own since they have been domesticated and are, thus, less spontaneous than wild animals (ie. easier to predict), but their behaviour is still purely governed by instinct. It's just not as apparent.
Dogs, like other animals, adapt to their surroundings. Since they are domesticated, they rely on their owner for survival and pretty much every other need. When they are not being taken care of or something goes wrong, they whimper. This is NOT emotion in the human sense; we merely attach the human concept of emotion to them due to the bond shared with dogs.
I feel my original point stands, not that I care much.
Yes, I could be biased or have my perception distorted. Possibly because animals can induce emotions in you, so you might start thinking that they somehow wanted to or they understand them. However, once you get a bond with an animal, you kinda don't really care anymore, whether or not they truly feel something more than instincts. But you sure start believing they dowill1182 said:Firstly, thank you for not flaming or name calling despite the fact that you think I am wrong. I respect that.Beliyal said:Since you said you wouldn't like to argue about this, I won't push it, but it seems that you seriously lacked a bond with an animal in your life. Just owning a pet doesn't really count, unless you make that pet your genuine friend. Animals express themselves differently and people can overlook it or not notice. But as I've grown up with animals, I've seen their genuine happiness or sadness or disappointment or wishes. Of course it's not an emotion in human sense; they are not human so, clearly, they can't have the same way of expressing those emotions or even the same emotions as we define them. But it's not just instinct. Sometimes yes, but they can express emotions other than instinct. I don't have any scientific research to back this up and no scientific research that denies it (if such exist) would make me think different after I've seen what a simple animal is capable of doing, on the field of emotions. I might be wrong, but I also think it's wrong to dismiss such a thing only because their brains are different than ours, or because you can't discern between their facial expressions. They have their own ways. I also wouldn't like to turn this into a debate, mostly because no one can can give a definite proof, so please don't take this as my way to disprove your statements.will1182 said:Let's get one thing straight: dogs are not capable of rational thought or reason. They can not think "What do I feel like doing today" or "Hm, I have several options here...". They may seem to have a mind of their own since they have been domesticated and are, thus, less spontaneous than wild animals (ie. easier to predict), but their behaviour is still purely governed by instinct. It's just not as apparent.
Dogs, like other animals, adapt to their surroundings. Since they are domesticated, they rely on their owner for survival and pretty much every other need. When they are not being taken care of or something goes wrong, they whimper. This is NOT emotion in the human sense; we merely attach the human concept of emotion to them due to the bond shared with dogs.
I feel my original point stands, not that I care much.
You're right, I never have had a pet before, so you should take my opinion with a grain of salt. I have never had a bond with an animal and haven't seen the things you mentioned, so perhaps I am not eligible to comment. Just as you do not know the feeling of being detached from animals and may have your perception distorted by your bond with them (not saying it is, just saying it's possible).
In the end, as you said, no one can prove anything. So thank you for not escalating this, and showing me another point of view on the subject.