Scorpid said:
Haerthan said:
Scorpid said:
Haerthan said:
Gizmo1990 said:
I realise this is a joke thread but I still have to ignore it and say Churchill. The man made our entire country truly believe that we could win the war while our cities were being reduced to rubble, our forces were getting there arse handed to them and the other friendly counties had either already surrendered, were themselves getting there arse handed to them or were sitting on there arse declaring that it was not there problem.
Got to love him for that.
Ah an imperialist who shafted Eastern Europe and sold Romania to the Communists for a fucking stamp. You English would not have lasted a day if you weren't an island. You only got lucky cause of Hitler's stupidity. So yea please excuse me while I hate on a person who did more evil than good.
Yeah it was so silly for GB Not to set itself into a position to fight the USSR immediately after WWII. USSR which was only one of two countries that came out stronger from WWII then it went into it. Oh and lets not forget they did that while fighting battles that made D-Day and Battle of the Bulge look like a really rough skirmish. GB was lucky to walk away with Greece as a democratic state so how how you could of expected them to stop communism in ROMANIA is beyond me.
Do you know that at Yalta the choice was between Greece and Romania? Did you know that? No how could you, you look at us Romanians and call us Gypsies. What is one more injustice piled on top of that. Do you know the amount of influence the USSR was given, for nothing on a paper napkin, in Romania? 90%. So for all the good that Romania did in that part of the world, keeping Western Europe somewhat safe from the Ottoman empire, trying to survive wedged in between 3 fucking empires, we were given to the most barbaric people in Europe, the Russians. Thank Christ we had Ceausescu in power in 1965, otherwise we would still be Russian puppets.
And yes you were in a position to fight. Just like you were in 1918-1921. But it seems you don't even know your own history.
Captcha: Whoa there. No Captcha I am not stopping. Not until the respect that is deserved of my people is given to us. Until everybody everywhere stops spitting in our faces.
No one is calling anyone gypsies but thanks for the strawman. US and GB in 1914 could of crushed Imperial Russia with its shakey control, not arguing that but Stalins control of the country was absolute at the end of WWII. I do think Germany could of destroyed Russia in 1941 but Germany's nazi idea of "living space" and their minimum need to kill 30million slavs for it, got in the way and turned the populace against them. Stalin the psychopath he was, wasn't going to give up romania or Bulgaria or any Balkan country that fought the USSR to the wests area of influence. They were traditional slavic and they were his enemies and he wanted them to pay by becoming communists. Further more Greece was traditionally defensible with its rocky mountains and hills that ran all the way to athens which would minimize Russias advantage of numbers. BUT USSR at the end of WWII I would argue had the best military leadership of any country in the war with only Germany (who was now out) being able to surpass them in terms of talent. And last only dictatorships like Nazi germany and USSR are able to wage the sort of bloody warfare that made the war in the east so terrible. I don't think the voting public of GB or the US could stomach that sort of warfare and not vote politicians into power that would end it.
If you want a "go romania message" out of me though I think the Romanians fought the best of any of Nazi germanys client states. BUT Romania also didn't suffer the worst, that honor (?) goes to Poland who were brutally slaughtered by the Germans and then brutally slaughtered by the Russians.
Ok a few things. The gypsies thing has actually hapenned, in Spain, in Italy, as I have family there, and I don't even need to mention the UKIP do I? Hell my little sister came across a joke about that in Canada. CANADA. So you telling me I am strawmanning is something that is wrong.
Two, you keep saying politicians wouldnt have sent people to die in wars. Yes they would have, the whole "we shall fight on the beaches, streets..". But I didn't see that fat tub of lard in the front line. You never see the politicians sending their families into the danger zone. So you would have fought if Churchill had even a bit of the balls he is purported to have had. And you would have happily gone to the slaughter. Trust me. I studied history.
Three. The USSR didnt have the best military leadership, the West had. The USSR had numbers, such a quantity of manpower that it completely broke the Wehrmacht and the SS batallions. Shure Zhukov and some other generals were good, but they had manpower and the reassembled factories behind the Urals churning out tanks in such numbers, that the Germans' advanced airplanes, training and tanks counted for nothing.
Four I never said that Romania suffered the worst, yes Eastern Europe as a whole suffered pretty badly. What I am saying that suffering was unnecessary if Churchill and Roosevelt just said no to Stalin. Yea, Poland and the other eastern countries were lost, no doubt about that. But Romania wasn't lost, we never wanted the scum in our country and when the time came, the West abandoned us.
Fifth. We weren't a client state. We were allies. There is a reason why Antonescu is seen as a hero in Romania.
